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Telluric Whistler: Sep 14, 2008

hmhb fan posted:

Is Fiji considered luxury water? I had a lot of it a few years ago and thought it was just Dasani tap water crap

Perceptions wise yea - it's expensive, and anecdotally it's the preferred water among the C-suite people I've worked with.

It's just loving bottled water, though

# ? Mar 29, 2024 02:59

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# ? May 12, 2024 09:31

spacetoaster: Feb 10, 2014

Ya'll seem to be overwhelmingly pro Putin...

Does that sound about right or am I going insane?

# ? Mar 29, 2024 03:04

Endman: May 18, 2010; That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die

spacetoaster posted:

Ya'll seem to be overwhelmingly pro Putin...

Does that sound about right or am I going insane?

look just because you want to smooch someone passionately on the lips doesn�t mean you support everything they say or do

# ? Mar 29, 2024 03:07

my bony fealty: Oct 1, 2008

spacetoaster posted:

Ya'll seem to be overwhelmingly pro Putin...

Does that sound about right or am I going insane?

We love him

# ? Mar 29, 2024 03:07

VoicesCanBe: Jul 1, 2023; "Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"

spacetoaster posted:

Ya'll seem to be overwhelmingly pro Putin...

Does that sound about right or am I going insane?

Everyone here wants to hug and kiss Putin

# ? Mar 29, 2024 03:11

Oneiros: Jan 12, 2007

putin is my pal

# ? Mar 29, 2024 03:12

CODChimera: Jan 29, 2009

spacetoaster posted:

Ya'll seem to be overwhelmingly pro Putin...

Does that sound about right or am I going insane?

im America Bad but unironically

# ? Mar 29, 2024 03:17

Malleum: Aug 16, 2014; Am I the one at fault? What about me is wrong?; Buglord

vladimir vladimirovitch, please smooch faster, this kissing booth line isnt moving at all

# ? Mar 29, 2024 03:20

lobster shirt: Jun 14, 2021

spacetoaster posted:

Ya'll seem to be overwhelmingly pro Putin...

Does that sound about right or am I going insane?

we are overwhelmingly pro putin, and we like it that way

# ? Mar 29, 2024 03:24

speng31b: May 8, 2010

sorry but being pro putin is in clear violation of the SAD accords. by violating this treaty, complete invasion of this thread is justified and necessary

# ? Mar 29, 2024 03:31

speng31b: May 8, 2010

ukraine thread posters shelling the separatists in doomsday econ. yospos coming to free their people

# ? Mar 29, 2024 03:34

Cpt_Obvious: Jun 18, 2007

speng31b posted:

ukraine thread posters shelling the separatists in doomsday econ. yospos coming to free their people

Lol

# ? Mar 29, 2024 03:35

Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007

spacetoaster posted:

Ya'll seem to be overwhelmingly pro Putin...

Does that sound about right or am I going insane?

orc after the one ring was cast into mount doom: I never actually supported him

# ? Mar 29, 2024 03:39

Danann: Aug 4, 2013

ukraine thread five star general frosted flake reported dead by a well aimed gbs precision munition strike

read all about it on the new york times

# ? Mar 29, 2024 03:41

stephenthinkpad: Jan 2, 2020

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

Crazy that ISIS, which the west has no connections to, struck Russia at exactly the time when Ukraine needed a positive news cycle through a spectacular attack

I have heard a podcast analysis speculated that if the Crocus attacker was paid by an state actor, most likely it be the Israel regime. I think the argument is convincing.

First of all, that Iran attack was paid by Israel, not the US. Because at the time in Jan Israel really wanted Irab to enter the war officially, but Iran didn't take the bait. The US never wanted Iran to escalate the IP war into a general ME war. The US can't win a land war against Iran.

And the Israeli state is in desperate mode, they are more ruthless and willing to try anything. And the point of this attack is to remind the world "the Islamic extremists are the real bad guys".

Maybe the CIA is in the know and didn't say anything, or said the bare minimum, but I am convinced Israel paid for the "Uber kill" dial-a-terrorist.

Also, the podcast said the target selection site was rather good but the quality of the attackers were very rough. So they probably reused an old plan designed by somebody else.

stephenthinkpad has issued a correction as of 03:46 on Mar 29, 2024

# ? Mar 29, 2024 03:42

CODChimera: Jan 29, 2009

after the reddit crackdown this thread is probably one of the only Russian Propaganda hellholes still out there

# ? Mar 29, 2024 03:44

Regarde Aduck: Oct 19, 2012; c l o u d k i t t e n; Grimey Drawer

CODChimera posted:

after the reddit crackdown this thread is probably one of the only Russian Propaganda hellholes still out there

# ? Mar 29, 2024 03:46

Nix Panicus: Feb 25, 2007

CODChimera posted:

after the reddit crackdown this thread is probably one of the only Russian Propaganda hellholes still out there

eternal lmao that the western response has been unrelenting censorship and narrative shaping by various state and oligarch affiliated media services and that the people cheer for it

# ? Mar 29, 2024 04:12

Spergin Morlock: Aug 8, 2009

spacetoaster posted:

Ya'll seem to be overwhelmingly pro Putin...

Does that sound about right or am I going insane?

well we're not out here sucking zelenskys dick if that's what you mean

# ? Mar 29, 2024 04:19

FuzzySlippers: Feb 6, 2009

if Russia even slightly aids the Palestinians or the Yemeni then send me an official Putin jersey for the Moscow Tankies because I�ll cheer Russians tanks all the way to Paris.

The Russian ships are probably just going to the Red Sea to point and laugh at the Americans, but one can hope

# ? Mar 29, 2024 04:25

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

A lot to unpack here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLYV7gP5rPo

# ? Mar 29, 2024 04:38

Officer Sandvich: Feb 14, 2010

https://twitter.com/berlin_bridge/status/1773358769038049383

# ? Mar 29, 2024 04:44

Weka: May 5, 2019; That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

BearsBearsBears posted:

About 9% of the US GDP is from imputed rent. Imputed rent is the money that homeowners don't pay in rent. The US just straight up adds this imaginary number to the GDP. The percent of GDP this accounts for is only growing.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=eOZt

China does imputed rent too but they calculate it differently so it is at a much lower rate

# ? Mar 29, 2024 04:53

Horseshoe theory: Mar 7, 2005

Allah will guide me and Putin-senpai and me through the purple rain. :haibrow:

# ? Mar 29, 2024 04:55

1stGear: Jan 16, 2010; Here's to the new us.

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

A lot to unpack here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLYV7gP5rPo

They have incredibly limited ammunition reserves and they're still loving shelling Belgorod.

# ? Mar 29, 2024 04:57

VoicesCanBe: Jul 1, 2023; "Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"

1stGear posted:

They have incredibly limited ammunition reserves and they're still loving shelling Belgorod.

It's spite

# ? Mar 29, 2024 05:00

Nix Panicus: Feb 25, 2007

1stGear posted:

They have incredibly limited ammunition reserves and they're still loving shelling Belgorod.

Nobody is going to write a news story for western presses about popping a Russian military patrol

# ? Mar 29, 2024 05:00

supersnowman: Oct 3, 2012

1stGear posted:

They have incredibly limited ammunition reserves and they're still loving shelling Belgorod.

Well, it's not like they can shell Donetsk now so they have to improvise.

# ? Mar 29, 2024 05:05

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

The last segment, with the Australian volunteer who is surprisingly evasive about why he did less than two years in the Australian Army, but went viral for being pro ISIS and saying �there are no innocent Russian civilians� is a great peak into the NAFO mindset.

# ? Mar 29, 2024 05:25

Officer Sandvich: Feb 14, 2010

https://www.ft.com/content/b5b1b3d7-ca51-482a-a028-45a81816559a?shareType=nongift

https://archive.is/MCvuV

Military briefing: Ukraine digs deep as Russians advance

quote:

If you want to live, dig, goes the adage by which Ukrainian soldiers have lived since Russia�s all-out invasion two years ago. The deeper their trenches, the better protected they are from exploding shrapnel and snipers� bullets.

�It�s still true,� said Yevhen, a soldier on the eastern front. �But now, if we don�t want to lose more of our land, we must also dig, dig and dig.�

A month after Ukrainian troops retreated from the eastern industrial city of Avdiivka, handing Russia its first big battlefield victory in almost a year, Kyiv is still fighting on its heels.

[....]

The Kremlin�s troops are taking advantage of Ukraine�s dwindling supplies of artillery and ammunition while Washington drags its feet on critical future military support for Kyiv and the EU scrambles to fill the gap.

But Ukraine�s lack of robust, layered defensive lines is another reason the Russian army has been able to steadily press ahead and capture smaller swaths of territory along the 1,000km frontline.

Earlier this month, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said Ukraine would build new fortifications along three lines of defence totalling 2,000km by the end of spring.

[....]

Valentyn Badrak, director of the Kyiv-based Army, Conversion and Disarmament Research Center, said Ukraine�s military leadership displayed a �certain euphoria� and believed that western support would �never stop�, allowing them to press ahead � so the construction of fortifications behind the frontline was not considered to be necessary.

The order to build new, stronger defences should have come in late 2022 at the start of the �frantic pressure on Bakhmut�, Badrak said, referring to the eastern Ukrainian city where a 10-month battle cost Kyiv thousands of experienced soldiers and precious munitions.

[....]

A new working group within Ukraine�s defence ministry is coordinating construction. Fortifications on the first line of defence are being done by the military units assigned to the area, while the second and third lines are carried out by the State Agency for Reconstruction and Infrastructure Development with the help of private contractors.

Ukraine�s Prime Minister Denys Shmyhal said more than 30bn hryvnia (about $800mn) has been allocated to building fortifications this year.

But construction only began ramping up in February, around the time Colonel General Oleksandr Syrsky was appointed as new commander-in-chief of the armed forces and announced that Ukraine had moved from offensive actions to �active defence�.

[....]

Zelenskyy earlier this month said the focus of the fortification drive was flashpoint areas on the frontline, including Avdiivka, Bakhmut and Lyman in Donetsk; Kupyansk in Kharkiv; and Robotyne in Zaporizhzhia.

In all those areas, excavators are humming and workers are busy installing various complex obstacles and laying minefields to be used in the event of a Russian breakthrough. Concrete �dragon�s teeth� obstacles, anti-tank ditches and snaking trench systems with concrete bunkers would significantly slow down the enemy.

�We are building where the enemy advanced easily in 2022,� said Yaroslav Slyesarenko, head of the Chernihiv regional administration�s department of construction.

[....]

These new defences are similar to Russia�s fortifications built in late 2022 and early 2023 that thwarted Ukraine�s much-vaunted counteroffensive.

It was only after trying and failing to break through those fortified defences last year that Ukraine was �convinced . . . it would be worthwhile for us to do something similar�, said Yevhen Dykyi, a former company commander.[...]

# ? Mar 29, 2024 05:25

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

A lot of these NAFO guys are losers in a way I can�t quite put my finger on

# ? Mar 29, 2024 05:31

tristeham: Jul 31, 2022

spacetoaster posted:

Ya'll seem to be overwhelmingly pro Putin...

Does that sound about right or am I going insane?

putin ftmfw

# ? Mar 29, 2024 05:32

Danann: Aug 4, 2013

Homeless Friend posted:

zelensky is live love laughing his best life. Don�t listen to the haters mr president. 👍

the ahmed chalabi that ukraine deserves but not the one it needs right now

# ? Mar 29, 2024 05:35

VoicesCanBe: Jul 1, 2023; "Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

The last segment, with the Australian volunteer who is surprisingly evasive about why he did less than two years in the Australian Army, but went viral for being pro ISIS and saying �there are no innocent Russian civilians� is a great peak into the NAFO mindset.

What makes NAFO so hateable is that they are nakedly pro-US foreign policy. Examine their belief for even 2 minutes and it's clear they have a total callous disregard for the lives of Ukrainians. They view them only as a means of hurting Russia, however minor the damage actually is.

# ? Mar 29, 2024 05:41

Flournival Dixon: Jan 29, 2024

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

A lot of these NAFO guys are losers in a way I can�t quite put my finger on

It's hard for me to figure out how these kinds of no-life losers become so bought into liberal imperialsm when standard reactionary white supremacy is right there and so fuckin popular. How do you become a NAFO dipshit without going for Trump instead? You'd think these kinds of losers would be way into Trump or Jordan Peterson or whoever else, how did they make it to NAFO?

I get it when people are being paid to believe this poo poo and their career is based around it but most of these guys are just weird losers on the internet and you'd usually think they become incel reactionary types instead.

Flournival Dixon has issued a correction as of 05:45 on Mar 29, 2024

# ? Mar 29, 2024 05:42

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

Flournival Dixon posted:

It's hard for me to figure out how these kinds of no-life losers become so bought into liberal imperialsm when standard reactionary white supremacy is right there and so fuckin popular. How do you become a NAFO dipshit without going for Trump instead? You'd think these kinds of losers would be way into Trump or Jordan Peterson or whoever else, how did they make it to NAFO?

I get it when people are being paid to believe this poo poo and their career is based around it but most of these guys are just weird losers on the internet and you'd usually think they become incel reactionary types instead.

I think the difference really is just :decorum:

poisoning.

# ? Mar 29, 2024 05:58

Weka: May 5, 2019; That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

tristeham posted:

putin ftmfw

# ? Mar 29, 2024 06:20

supersnowman: Oct 3, 2012

tristeham posted:

putin ftmfw

Lots of people saying this.

# ? Mar 29, 2024 06:46

Officer Sandvich: Feb 14, 2010

https://www.wsj.com/world/russia/russia-u-s-prisoner-swaps-gershkovich-whelan-be4576f8

https://archive.is/7QVpC

In a Secret Game of Prisoner Swaps, Putin Has Held Most of the Cards

quote:

[....]

The interlocutor studying the Americans from across the table suggested Russia�s appetite for a deal was souring. When it came to Whelan, Russia had a grim new demand: a spy for a spy. If Washington wanted Moscow to free an American convicted in a Russian court of espionage, the U.S. would have to secure the release of a Russian sentenced for an equivalent crime. And the U.S., he added, didn�t have such a convict anywhere in its prison system.

There was, however, one Russian that Putin was starting to ask about : Vadim Krasikov, the former FSB officer serving a murder sentence in Germany. The two were so close the hit man had once bragged about passing time with the president at an elite military training facility: Putin, the erstwhile chief of the FSB, �shoots well,� he�d told friends.

The price for Whelan, after two years in jail, was ratcheting up again.

In the weeks that followed, U.S. officials watched as police at Russian airports and elsewhere began scooping up more Americans. In August, customs officers arrested Marc Fogel, a history teacher at the Moscow high school U.S. Embassy children attend, for carrying less than an ounce of medical marijuana.

David Barnes flew to Russia to find his two sons his ex-wife had taken there, only to be sentenced to 21 years for child abuse charges that he denied and which Texas authorities didn�t find evidence to support. Around the same time, Sarah Krivanek, an American teaching English in Russia was arrested for assault after injuring the male Russian roommate she said had been drunkenly beating her.

None of those cases registered with the American public or with officials�Krivanek says no diplomat ever visited her in jail.

But on Feb. 17, Russian customs agents finally seized someone whose ordeal would resonate.

The authorities at Moscow�s Sheremetyevo airport had installed three new color security cameras, perfectly aligned to record cinematic details as Brittney Griner, a two-time basketball Olympic gold medalist, lifted her black rucksack onto a customs table, en route to play with her offseason team UMMC Ekaterinburg. Inside were vape cartridges containing less than a gram of medically prescribed hash oil, illegal in Russia.

News of her arrest became fodder for America�s gathering culture wars: a Black lesbian sports star had been imprisoned by a regime with draconian laws on LGBTQ rights. In the ensuing months, Hollywood and sports celebrities including LeBron James, Kerry Washington and Amy Schumer joined an exploding social-media campaign: #WeAreBG.

�Brittney Griner is Trapped and Alone,� read an opinion headline in the New York Times. �Where�s Your Outrage?�

While other Americans had struggled to get government attention, the crash team including executives and sports agents working to free Griner could immediately reach the heart of the White House; one had served in the Clinton administration with Secretary of State Antony Blinken.

Russian officials realized they had leverage and floated a possible deal: Bout and Yaroshenko for Griner and Trevor Reed, the former White House Marine who had served at Camp David during Biden�s vice presidency. Biden was also under pressure to free Reed: �Trevor had been willing to die for you,� his father, Joey Reed, told the president during a meeting in March.

Joey Reed says his son�s yearslong detention left him shocked at the inability of the U.S. government, under both parties, to negotiate with Moscow: �I don�t think they generally know how to work these kinds of deals,� he said. Putin, he added, has managed to outfox Washington for 24 years: �They know our government better than we know our government.�

Biden approved an exchange of Yaroshenko for Reed. On April 27, 2022, the former Marine was flown to a Turkish airport. As he walked out onto the tarmac, and into an American jet, he asked the U.S. delegation escorting him on board: �Where�s Paul?�

Whelan, still sewing coats in IK-17 prison, had become the subject of a difficult moral calculus. The U.S. wanted to trade Bout for both Griner and Whelan, arguing the world�s most famous gunrunner was surely worth a basketball center caught with hash oil and an obscure former Marine. Russia, watching the celebrity-studded campaign to free Griner, proposed to trade both the sports star and Whelan for Krasikov.

U.S. officials protested. The convicted murderer was in a German prison, but the Russians were unmoved. Tell Germany to release Krasikov, the Russians suggested.

Jake Sullivan, Biden�s national security adviser, notified his German counterpart of the Russian proposal, but the U.S. didn�t submit a formal request for Krasikov. The CIA sent a query down to its station chief in Berlin�who responded that it wouldn�t even be worth asking. For months, the U.S. and Russia waged a stare-down, the Kremlin hoping the U.S. would deliver Krasikov, and the White House hoping to exchange two prisoners for one.

On Sept. 16, Griner�s wife and agent met Biden in the White House and communicated a plea: Don�t let the negotiations needlessly drag out if there is a narrower deal�either for Griner or Whelan�to be had. The president met Whelan�s sister Elizabeth the same day.

The U.S. tried offering Bout for Whelan�hoping to then trade another Russian convicted of a lesser charge for the celebrity athlete�but Moscow stuck to its guns. For Griner, Bout. And if the U.S. wanted Whelan, they could discuss a trade involving Krasikov.

The Whelan family could feel the tide turning against them once more. �Does this mean he is going to be left behind yet again?� his sister Elizabeth had said to the Detroit News.

Justice Department officials were concerned: Trading Griner for Bout would make it harder to free Whelan, they argued, because there were no other inmates left in U.S. prisons that Russia wanted, plus it could make other countries reluctant to extradite criminals to America. The president overrode internal objections. The State Department dispatched an official to tell the Whelan family that Biden had agreed to exchange Bout to bring Griner home.

�Sadly, for totally illegitimate reasons, Russia is treating Paul�s case differently than Brittney�s,� Biden told reporters, after calling the Whelans.

To retrieve Griner, the State Department chartered a private medical jet with trauma specialists on hand to bring her back to the U.S., where she was later honored at the White House.

That same day, the State Department put Krivanek�whose sentence for assaulting her abusive roommate had ended�on a commercial flight and told her she would have to repay nearly $4,000 in traveling expenses. She had been assaulted in a coed prison, she said, her knee and two cervical spine discs fractured, injuries treated when a friend met her at the airport and drove straight to a local emergency room.

Watching from afar, Trump criticized the deal on his social-networking site, TruthSocial. �I would have gotten Paul out,� he wrote.

It was the first time the Whelan family ever saw Trump publicly mention Paul�s name.

[....]

This whole article is crazy

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# ? May 12, 2024 09:31

BearsBearsBears: Aug 4, 2022

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

A lot to unpack here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLYV7gP5rPo

For good or ill, Osama Bin Laden was the most influential moral philosopher of our age.

# ? Mar 29, 2024 07:08

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