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What is the most powerful flying bug?
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🦋 15 3.71%
🦇 115 28.47%
🪰 12 2.97%
🐦 67 16.58%
dragonfly 94 23.27%
🦟 14 3.47%
🐝 87 21.53%
Total: 404 votes
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OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

speng31b posted:

you know what happens to the character of Boromir...right? also Tolkien wrote that they were only able to retake osgiliath because Boromir was an idiot who fell for a feint attack to distract from what was going on in the main plot. The whole point of that thing was to show that Boromir was a shortsighted dumbass focused on hollow self important victories and not the important stuff

anyways, yeah, good metaphor lol

the orcs . . . the orcs did a feint?!!

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OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

Pistol_Pete posted:


Russia-Ukraine war live news: Russia likely threatening to shoot retreating soldiers, says UK defence ministry

https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...r-after-strikes

i literally gave a wifebeater ten bux to offer meaningleas conjecture on the internet, these people are getting paid thousands of bux to do the same !! gently caress

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

lol, scrolling down the guys twitter is a bit of a trip so i dont think i put much stock in this gentleman as a source

otoh whatever russia provides evidence will be deemed propoganda no matter whether it is true or not. russia has plenty of interest in stopping the gas flow, but actually blowing up the infrastructure could not have benefited them in any way

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

the bitcoin of weed posted:

it would be cool for the lovely war to end but i genuinely don't see an offramp for either side that doesn't just immediately kick off another conflict, on whatever scale

I guess since ukraine now envisions itself as the Other Israel we'll just have that same sort of constant ethnic violence to look forward to for decades to come

excuse me its BIG ISRAEL not "other israel"

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013
the number one priority of all involved parties should be to install player-driven peace conferences before their war exhaustion tops out, else future generations will live in bordergore hell

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

Raskolnikov38 posted:

hey you can also use rolands and crotales if you play france or germany

those are good tho. m47 dragons are a noob trap

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

sum posted:

It's hilarious that the US has literally thousands of surplus Bradleys and Abramses just sitting around in the desert and they're scraping the bottom of the barrel for anything else to send because they don't want to hurt sales

the idea that the us isnt sending bradleys or abramses because it would "hurt sales" if they got blown up in ukraine is nonsense imo. nobody buys bradleys anyways, and saudi and iraqi m1s getting clowned on hasnt hurt m1 sales.

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013
i bet t-72s are more useful in the present war anyways. arent nato 120mm he tank rounds kinda trash

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

i say swears online posted:

aiming my single bow with the angle of a howitzer, definitely not just for instagram

this is the much vaunted Swedish "Archer" artillery system

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

Raskolnikov38 posted:

I don’t think they want to risk their backfires against nato AA missiles of any age unless nukes were flying

are you telling me that a russian carpetbombing campaign might . . . backfire?

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013
https://twitter.com/LeeHudson_/status/1588614102586646528?t=OJ6xfA1lTG-JuFScDcbNdw&s=19

producing weapons is important to winning wars ?? wtf

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

PoontifexMacksimus posted:

I mean, a lot of people in the US figured the Republicans would never actually go after abortion, as it was assumed to be more useful as a permanent fundraising wedge issue

a lot of dumb people

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

speng31b posted:

ex cathedra right that's it

this is unrelated, but i knew a guy who got an official letter of excommunication from the bishop because he made microwave nachos with the communion wafers

in fairness, any man who would make nachos from communion wafers has strayed too far from god's light

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013
I am immune to Propaganda

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

otoh i doubt russia would have invaded ukraine if ukraine was actually in nato

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013
thats war, unless there was an actual agreement between russia and ukraine, retreating russian troops would still be combatants

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

thatfatkid posted:

RIP to the school and kindergarten teachers of kherson.

Also al saqr, please shut the gently caress up. You dont get to makes every possible prediction and then act smug when something happens. Youre so loving tedious

the "xyz SHUT UP" posts are whats actually tedious

now preparing for an onslaught of shut up octamurk posts

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

Conspiratiorist posted:

maybe the russians are cedeing kherson for humanitarian reasons

i mean its obvious they could've held it if they wanted to

if they started the war to stop ukraine genociding russians, then they annexed kherson into russia because it says the people of kherson are russians, then theyre effectively abandoning all those civilians to genocide if they believe themselves

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

Frosted Flake posted:

It’s harebrained in the extreme. We had war plans to fight our way into Quebec to protect the Anglos in the 70’s, and then allegedly plans to storm the bases during the referendums, the UK had plans to invade the Irish Republic should the IRA overwhelm them in the 80’s, and here’s Russia puttering around.

If it turns out that we’re the bloodthirsty horde without regard for human life it will be funny, if nothing else.

this is why i dont believe any of the stuff about nato expansionism being the cause of the war anymore tbh

If this was actually an existential struggle for russia where they thought NATO was knocking on the door and gonna try to make russia effectively another american satellite state. . . And this is their response? Half assed invasion, slow grinding battle in donbass going nowhere, then end up abandoning hundreds of thousands of people to supposedly genocidal nazi maniacs? The second major retreat and loss of land in just a couple of months? If this war was actually existential then they would have mobilized before the invasion. They didnt, because they dont even believe it.

More likely to me that russia just wanted more of their own satellite states and thought ukraine would be easy pickings after 2014

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013
what type of state is ukraine? they have mobilized to a total war footing

im gonna get a bunch of replies saying nazi i bet. but really, isnt ukraine basically a neoliberal state

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

Frosted Flake posted:

It’s not Ukraine’s resources mobilizing but the US and EU, certainly by now, so to answer your question “proxy”

i dont think this answers it and heres why,

op said neoliberal states couldnt demand sacrifices from the people, hence why the usa suffered manpower issues in iraq and now russia in ukraine. yet as many here including you have personally noted in the past, the ukrainians are willing to making shocking sacrifices for victory considering that for much of this war, their primary advantage has been their manpower -- conscripted -- being sent against the jaws of russian artillery

they are certainly willing to demand extensive hardship and sacrifice from the people for the sake of the nation.

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

dk2m posted:

being a Russian nationalist today has got be the most embarrassing thing in the world

being a nationalist in general is cringey . . . like lol ur proud of being randomly born on some piece of geography? wtf?

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

Frosted Flake posted:

What kills me is the entire western media was saying London and DC demanded Ukraine take Kherson before winter, it was do or die for Kiev, and Russia gave it up without a fight.

If you know quite clearly what a critical objective is for the enemy, just letting them walk in isn’t seen as a good faith gesture by a party willing to negotiate, it’s seen as a sign that if you keep massing and pressing then you can get everything you want on the battlefield.

Theyve been hyping the kherson offensive since like loving may too lmao so its not like it was a big surprise, the russians coulda built like a fuckin maginot line over there by now

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

speng31b posted:

did you miss the whole news report about "US advises taking Kherson is prerequisite for negotiation?"

that is true now. But before autumn the us line on kherson was not particularly positive for ukrainian chances there

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

Marenghi posted:

Any war which weakens the American empire is good for socialism.

rly sux for all those ukrainian and russian workers being conscripted to die in trenches tho

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

gradenko_2000 posted:

"strikes are bad because what if the factory closes down and those people lose their jobs"

literally hundreds of thousands of ppl getting killed and maimed rn, this really the best analogy you can do?

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013
i have personally demanded that ukraine takes kherson by december or else zelenskyy will lose my internet posting support

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013
i dunno if they woulda annexed all ukraine but they obviously wanted some chunks of it given that they formally annexed territory beyond lpr and dpr territory. i dont think its a stretch to say that the russians would have wanted to take more if they had the means to do so

and they certainly wanted some regime change that would have made ukraine a close satellite of russia

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

america has europe so fuckin whipped that according to some people in this thread, the americans blew up germany's gas pipelines and destroyed the european economy yet the europeans are still being america's bitches instead of seeking a separate agreement with russia

if america actually blew up the pipelines then they've just completely cemented control over europe in a way that wasnt possible before, while also militarizing the societies of the european nato members

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

Al-Saqr posted:

I gotta say, "Never Settle" is a great slogan for a killing machine company, because if there's one thing I feel when being shot at, it's 'Never Settle'

Oneplus phones arent great but i wouldnt describe them as killing machines

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013
is america the joe biden of nato ?

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013
empires are cool, they made roads and aqueducts and stuff

this thread is full of barbarians

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

Cpt_Obvious posted:

It's called kiting op.

putin sweating as he tries to split and stutterstep his bioball while the ukranian banelings close in

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013
ukraine will become Big Israel

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013
conscript hundreds of thousands of troops, disrupting society and reaping all the consequences of a draft

dont even use the troops to fight, reap none of the benefits of a draft

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

Hatebag posted:

How far away from kherson are the russians retreating? That whole region looks like nothing but swamps and farms so it seems hard to defend. Are they just digging in along the east bank of the dneiper or are they pulling out of the whole province or just falling back to nova kakhova?

https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1591004160954359809?t=Xt_g23seldesC52vqaYuRQ&s=19

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

genericnick posted:

But also none of that poo poo really affects Russia's ability to wage war in any critical sense. Sure they're not winning, but is there any way for Ukraine to make them accept a loss?

I dont think so but if neither side has the ability or will to achieve a decisive result buy also doesnt want to make peace, it can just become a frozen conflict wherever they reach an equilibrium. Maybe rockets and artillery will keep flying over the border and there will still be fighting but not as much -- like how Donbas was before the invasion

Maybe ukraine ends up taking back everything but crimea and seperatist republics and can go no further because the russians will fight harder for territory they actually believe is theirs. And then we're right back to where we were in february 2022

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

Conspiratiorist posted:

they encircled kiev while their guns pinned and pounded the professional afu in the east and could've taken the city but the kremlin wanted to avoid a bloodbath

they certainly didnt try to avoid a bloodbath in mariupol, so i think the idea that the russians were being nice in kyiv or w.e doesnt make much sense

they just didnt bring enough people or guns for kyiv, there is no way they could have taken kyiv with the forces allocated to kyiv

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

Putin selected all the troops and then left-clicked the right bank of the Dniepr

thats the real reason russia is suffering, putin didnt even play the tutorial. if he did then he would know that you have to right click to move troops

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OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

Atrocious Joe posted:

I don't think the NO side had a very good GOTV operation.

the mail in ballots are arriving late

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