[Ukraine] Missing in Action: Western Minds

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Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

unlimited shrimp posted:

https://twitter.com/JamesGRickards/status/1588124915147816960?s=20&t=qHVfNH19q2i5GDOnPvI2VQ

seems problematic idk

Too lazy to look it up form the old thread, but - Nailed it!

As for what the Russians will do about it, my guess is nothing.

# ¿ Nov 4, 2022 16:28

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# ¿ May 21, 2024 04:19

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1588612991401963520
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Checks out, I bet he misses a 95% probability shot.

# ¿ Nov 4, 2022 21:17

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

Majorian posted:

I took an overnight train from Moscow to Petersburg once, and it was like this. Very pretty, although I wish I had taken it during the daytime so I could see the landscape. Russia got the nice trains.

Exactly the same! Got free caviar too. Probably the best train ride I've ever had.

# ¿ Nov 5, 2022 18:38

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

Al-Saqr posted:

looks like the Russian reserves aren’t going to make any difference, the ukranians pretty much have the Russians figured out and have an invincible defense. I will genuinely be surprised if the Russians manage any major breakthrough even during winter.

Read this post before noticing the poster and went "lol this sounds so much like a Saqr post".

Who knows tough, you might be right.

# ¿ Nov 6, 2022 15:58

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

Pretzel Rod Stewart posted:

he’s never been right

You can't lose when you bet on every single roulette number!

# ¿ Nov 6, 2022 16:39

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

Ardennes posted:

The problem is if the war itself is damaging the West in way that it really doesn't want to have to sustain. The damage being done to the Russia military very well simply not be sustainable in its current form, less because of funding, but because putting pressure on Western economies that can't be easily addressed. You can destroy some Russians tanks etc, but that very well may be fairly minor in the broader calculus as much broader supply issues are gathering pace and interest rates are getting to where a recession may turn into effectively a depression.

A lot of it depends on rates, and that the Fed (along with other major economies) may have to strangle their respective economies to get inflation under control, and the longer the war goes there is going to be a distortion in energy markets and broader global trade.

It may not be public opinion that ends the war, but that there is very real material damage being done to Western economies.

I agree that there will be a point where continuing the war might do more damage to the collective West than to Russia. Furthermore, we might be past that point.

# ¿ Nov 7, 2022 21:10

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

Al-Saqr posted:

wow I can’t believe my impression from June that Russia will ultimately lose the war or settle for far less was true, what an embarrassing strategic catastrophe for the Russians.

Amusing that Ukraine got both Militarized and Nazified, failing on both of the Special Operation's stated objectives.

# ¿ Nov 9, 2022 16:29

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

Al-Saqr posted:

what is your assumption of where things can go from here?

Ukraine becoming the Dubai of eastern Europe, as BoJo predicted.

# ¿ Nov 11, 2022 14:26

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

Jel Shaker posted:

i guess the best thing to do is have either a ukrainian or russian flag on standby and wave them at whichever murderous band of warriors happen to march through your front garden

This has been true since the advent of the nation state (the flag bit I mean).

# ¿ Nov 11, 2022 15:18

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

spacetoaster posted:

Excuse me? You putin puppets are hilarious. Ukraine is going to push Russia out of Ukraine and reclaim all lost territory. Anything less is completely unacceptable.

Wait, I thought anything short of Balkanization of Russia after ousting Putin is unacceptable.

# ¿ Nov 14, 2022 14:06

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

OctaMurk posted:

russias bombing ukraine every day, ukraine bombing some bombers is no big deal. thats just war

assassinating dugin's daughter, hitting the crimea bridge, or russia hitting power stations were all vastly more escalatory than this

It wasn't just any bomber tough; it was part of Russia's nuclear deterrent. If this strike had been wildly more successful than it was, I do see a scenario where things escalate.

# ¿ Dec 6, 2022 17:32

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

Lostconfused posted:

Russia really hasn't reacted to any sort of Ukrainian strike or apparent escalation individually. Mobilization and bombing of infrastructure are a reaction to the general course of the war, not sabotage and terror attacks from Ukrainian side.

Idk, things really ramped up after the suicide bombing of the Kerch bridge. Whether it was just an excuse for a pre-planned action who knows.

# ¿ Dec 12, 2022 14:25

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

Futanari Damacy posted:

Did they ever establish whether the driver was actually in on it

No idea, haven't heard anything about it since it happened, so yeah maybe not suicide. Sucks for the driver either way.

# ¿ Dec 12, 2022 16:13

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

This year has been awful. But worry not, as next one will be way worse.

# ¿ Dec 28, 2022 03:41

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

mlmp08 posted:

Russia has already announced they’ve destroyed the first Bradleys, too.….

I thought those still hadn't been delivered yet?

# ¿ Jan 13, 2023 01:09

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

Just lol if the eventual Ukrainian defeat gets hanged on Germany.

Sending tanks into eastern Europe - Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

# ¿ Jan 21, 2023 03:24

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

“We will apply for reimbursement to the European Union, it will be another test of good will,” Mateusz Morawiecki told a news conference.

The outcome of that test might not be the one they're hoping for.

# ¿ Jan 24, 2023 14:50

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

Ardennes posted:

And if that is already over? If Ukraine collapses, I doubt Vichy Lvov or whatever could ever pay back debt.

Let's be honest, no one's gonna be paying/returning anything back. Whatever money and materiel sent can be considered gone for good, even if Ukraine "wins".

# ¿ Jan 24, 2023 17:36

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

Gorman Thomas posted:

Of all the equipment to provide, why tanks? Wouldn't mobile artillery be much more effective for Ukraine's immediate goals? Help me I'm an idiot

they already sent that, duh.

This is the hot new thing.

# ¿ Jan 24, 2023 20:03

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

Hey remember all those Javelins and NLAWS that the Russians claimed to have captured last summer? If true (big IF), it'll be a great field test for superior Western ATGMs against superior Western tanks.

It's like Protoss vs Protoss!

# ¿ Jan 24, 2023 20:47

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

Endman posted:

I'm sure sending over a mixed up bag of different Western tanks that nobody in Ukraine knows how to operate or drive and whose technical manuals are all either in the wrong language or machine translated into pigeon Ukrainian will be fine

Well, they can send the operators too then.

# ¿ Jan 25, 2023 03:20

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

Ardennes posted:

Either way, while Uranium is denser than steel, tungsten darts are denser than both.

Oh? The periodic table says otherwise...

# ¿ Jan 27, 2023 17:40

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

Frosted Flake posted:

So, what do the Ukrainians think would happen to them immediately after striking Moscow?

JK their plan is still to draw NATO in, particularly now I would imagine. Provoking a response that allows NATO to enter through strikes on Russia was, again, in that white paper on how Ukraine would win in 2023.

NATO is pretty drawn in at this point tbh.

# ¿ Jan 29, 2023 16:56

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

Ardennes posted:

Yeah, at the end of the day, either he would be airlifted out to Lvov if anything every got really bad in the first place.

Governing over post-war Ukraine won't be a fun job at all, I reckon he'll get airlifted no matter what happens.

# ¿ Jan 29, 2023 19:54

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

Ardennes posted:

I wonder also how much SK is going to be that useful with NK just sitting over the border with a huge amount of artillery, SK has been pretty quiet with the current conflict.

Same with Israel. States that have something obvious to lose by alienating Russia because it can arm their traditional enemies have stayed our of this one.

# ¿ Jan 30, 2023 14:20

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

Endman posted:

I'm sure if WW3 breaks out everybody will be nice and follow the "no nukes please :^)" rule

It's as sacred as "NO RUSH 5 MIN". It worked, most of the time.

# ¿ Jan 31, 2023 02:45

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

We seized all your international reserves and are getting ready to give them Ukraine. Also, wtf why are you not complying with treaty obligations?

# ¿ Feb 1, 2023 02:52

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

Endman posted:

What side of WW2 was Bulgaria on again?

Bulgaria has a knack for always being on the losing side, ever since supporting Pompey over Julius Caesar. Bad omen for Ukraine.

# ¿ Feb 2, 2023 04:24

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

euphronius posted:

kind of like a settler unit with a combat score . I think Alpha Centauri had those

Only the best Neutronium armor for my colony pods.

# ¿ Feb 3, 2023 21:44

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

Slavvy posted:

Nobody is attacking when they're outnumbered and outgunned, just makes no sense

The odds are against John McLane, that's just the way he likes it.

# ¿ Feb 6, 2023 08:15

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

What is Rush B if not a human wave tactic?

Russians have been doing this poo poo forever.

# ¿ Feb 7, 2023 02:23

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

Whatever happened to Russian helicopters? Did all of them get shot down or something?

# ¿ Feb 9, 2023 07:11

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

Starlink satellites have been used to facilitate the operation of drones dropping explosives on Russians, making them legitimate target.

No surprise they're backing off here.

# ¿ Feb 9, 2023 14:25

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

Well, the US invaded Iraq with about 500k so it might just be the magic number.

# ¿ Feb 9, 2023 23:24

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

The 12 challenger tanks are more than enough to hold them, it'll be like the movie 300 surely.

# ¿ Feb 10, 2023 03:00

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

crepeface posted:

what if we ban all the pro-russia parties

you get a modern utopia, just ask Ukraine.

# ¿ Feb 10, 2023 15:31

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

Ardennes posted:

Basically, there isn't a strong skin in the game on the West's part compared to just sending weapons until the Ukrainians simply run out of manpower.

There's always the chance of a freak accident drawing in the West unwittingly tough, specially under the constant escalation trend we've seen over the past year.

# ¿ Feb 11, 2023 16:30

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

gradenko_2000 posted:

FACT-CHECK: it was a day before the Nordstream bombing

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2022/09/27/nato-says-sabotage-behind-destruction-of-natural-gas-pipelines/

Couldn't they have waited a week to make it look less obvious?

Actually nevermind, it's pretty obvious why bombed the pipeline and there's no consequences anyway.

# ¿ Feb 16, 2023 14:50

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

Cpt_Obvious posted:

That's 2 trillion dollars right there.

When people whine about the billions it would cost to mitigate carbon emissions I just think of these programs. Money well spent!

# ¿ Feb 18, 2023 20:58

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# ¿ May 21, 2024 04:19

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

Ardennes posted:

His chances on the outside probably aren't great either.

He's playing the only card he can at this point, which is to entrench himself as THE Russian Guaido and hope for the best.

# ¿ Feb 20, 2023 19:46

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