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Heh an old colleague of mine manages software engineers that maintain that distribution. Before the deal even started, I was working through a list of things to improve upon using an ongoing job request he had as an example of what I could do after investing all-in at my current job into kernel stuff. He's been very quiet lately . . .
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wint has spoken... https://twitter.com/dril/status/1590460790347542528?s=20&t=wMjvIjOTNPx_wrogzsUZXg
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https://twitter.com/nandoodles/status/1590411031519825921 https://twitter.com/themaxburns/status/1590563599030063105 A clown show beyond clown shows.
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OneEightHundred posted:https://twitter.com/nandoodles/status/1590411031519825921 How dare you?! Clowns are consummate professionals.
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It's very much like a clown show, if the clown in Sideshow Bob and he's stepping on all the rakes.
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Nov 10, 2022 05:54
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Young Freud posted:wint has spoken... In a reality where this catches on and everyone just blocks blue check marks out of spite, what would be the next step? Make it so nobody can block blues so paying 8 dollars grants you the unstoppable harassment perk?
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Carew posted:In a reality where this catches on and everyone just blocks blue check marks out of spite, what would be the next step? Make it so nobody can block blues so paying 8 dollars grants you the unstoppable harassment perk?
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https://twitter.com/CaseyNewton/status/1590724257608134657 https://twitter.com/CaseyNewton/status/1590724259114291201 https://twitter.com/CaseyNewton/status/1590725083294990336 The red flags just keep coming. The regulatory risk Twitter is about to get itself into must be enormous. It's worth noting here that since 2011, Twitter has been under a consent decree with the FTC that requires them to undergo significant scrutiny of any new features, and which imposes significant financial penalties if they mishandle user data. Moreover, earlier this year, they ate a $150 million fine for not complying with the consent decree, and had even more conditions and restrictions added to it as a result. And the potential penalties for pissing off the FTC can get pretty hefty: Facebook paid out $5 billion in 2019 for violating a FTC consent decree. In that context, it's a massive loving red flag when the C-levels in charge of information security, privacy, and compliance all resign at the same time. Add in a notoriously irresponsible new CEO whose favorite lawyer (Spiro has been working for him for years, both personally and for his companies) is saying he's "not afraid of the FTC", and alarm bells are ringing. Musk is going to burn this poo poo to the loving ground.
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Don't you get a consent decree for loving up in the first place?
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Main Paineframe posted:“Elon is willing to take on a huge amount of risk in relation to his company and its users, because ‘Elon puts rockets into space, he’s not afraid of the FTC.’”
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Rocko Bonaparte posted:Don't you get a consent decree for loving up in the first place? Yes, this is a the result of a user data misuse investigation from before the Musk buyout. https://www.ftc.gov/business-guidance/blog/2022/05/twitter-pay-150-million-penalty-allegedly-breaking-its-privacy-promises-again
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Guavanaut posted:That sounds like Musk is planning to hide from the FTC in space. “I’m escaping to the one place that hasn’t been corrupted by woke libs… …. SSSSSPACE!”
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Rocko Bonaparte posted:Don't you get a consent decree for loving up in the first place? Yep. Twitter got caught loving up in 2011 (mostly feeding users' private data like phone numbers into advertising without their consent), and got a consent decree as part of a settlement with the FTC. In 2022, they got caught loving up again, and they had to pay a $150 million fine and have the consent decree tightened even further as a result. Musk is absolutely sowing the seeds of future billion-dollar fines right now. When all the people responsible for preventing that sort of thing are running screaming from the company at the same time, that's a sign that the CEO is not listening to them even slightly.
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I mean technically they won't have to worry about over-sharing information with advertisers if they have no advertisers, which seems to be the plan.Inferior Third Season posted:Not "nobody". Anyone who purchases the $20 per month basic blocking package can block blue check marks. They, of course, cannot block the $50 per month gold check marks - that requires the $75 per month advanced blocking package. OneEightHundred fucked around with this message at 18:14 on Nov 10, 2022 |
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The Twitter lawyers letter in full, emphasis mine (note that Musk has also demanded that everyone MUST be in the office AT LEAST 40 hours per week)quote:Twitter is a remote-first workplace, and has operated as such for years. It is a fundamental change to our employment contracts to require a 40hr a week in-office requirement. I do not, personally, believe that Twitter employees have an obligation to return to office. Certainly not on no notice (it at all).
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Wow, with everything else, I didn't catch that Twitter has been a "remote-first" workplace. Changing from that to "always in the office" is amazing.
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Cheesus posted:Wow, with everything else, I didn't catch that Twitter has been a "remote-first" workplace. Changing from that to "always in the office" is amazing. If they've always been remote-first, there's a pretty good chance they don't even have enough office space for the entire staff to report to for 40 hours a week. (I guess unless they keep sacking people by the thousands.)
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Thinking on it, that probably means there isn't enough physical room at the Twitter HQ itself to actually have a non-remote workforce. ... is what I would say, but he's already fired a lot of people... Edit: Looks like I'm not the only one who thought that...
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Levitate posted:The Twitter lawyers letter in full, emphasis mine (note that Musk has also demanded that everyone MUST be in the office AT LEAST 40 hours per week) This is basically "abandon ship!" in all but word.
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Sodomy Hussein posted:This is basically "abandon ship!" in all but word. Yeah that letter sends a very clear message that working at twitter will literally place you in danger. If you aren't shoved back into an office to increase your covid exposure, you will be ordered to work ridiculous hours that degrade your mental health on stupid projects proposed and instantly killed by the worst boss in the world. You will also be ordered to assume the substantial legal and financial risk associated with his terrible decisions and build a record of professional failure. He can't actually tell people to quit, so he's laying all this out in the clearest possible terms and hoping the engineers are smart enough to put two and two together
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It's not clear to me whether Elon fired the compliance people or they surrendered on their own, but if he did the former this amounts to malicious mismanagement of the entire company, beyond his regular stupidity.
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So I know this is very incomplete math because daily active users aren't unique, but he wants Twitter's revenue to be 50% subscription. Last year it made $5b in revenue and had 206M daily active users. In order to make 5b of revenue from $8/mo, it needs 52M subscribers. If he just wants to break even with its current revenue plus the additional billion a year in interest, then it needs 31M subscribers. So we're talking what? Expecting up to 25% of current Twitter users to start paying $8/mo for a blue checkmark and editing tweets? lmao Also I just realized this whole thing reminds me a ton of Sears/Eddie Lampert, complete with "we're going to reorient our entire business around this new loyalty program that nobody wants" while undermining the company's most valuable assets, loading it up with debt, acting indistinguishably from actively trying to destroy the company, and then blaming its failure on a difficult market that it was just not able to "transform" to adapt to. OneEightHundred fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Nov 10, 2022 |
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OneEightHundred posted:So I know this is very incomplete math because daily active users aren't unique, but he wants Twitter's revenue to be 50% subscription. If Elon's thinking were serious, there would be few layoffs early on and a prioritization toward launching new features along a number of quarters. Not a bunch of bizarre, unfocused, public edicts based on magical thinking that amount to scuttling the ship.
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To be honest I wouldn't be surprised if he basically figures "well if it all crashes and burns so what, I'll try some of my patented Elon magic and I can always just build it up from the ground again if it fails" which...probably won't work that way
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haveblue posted:Yeah that letter sends a very clear message that working at twitter will literally place you in danger. If you aren't shoved back into an office to increase your covid exposure, you will be ordered to work ridiculous hours that degrade your mental health on stupid projects proposed and instantly killed by the worst boss in the world. You will also be ordered to assume the substantial legal and financial risk associated with his terrible decisions and build a record of professional failure. He can't actually tell people to quit, so he's laying all this out in the clearest possible terms and hoping the engineers are smart enough to put two and two together the letter also sends a very clear message that you should put in writing requests to your boss that you need to follow the law and get fired for that email (keep a copy) and should then sue which is very clearly the author's goal as well (props to them, about to be a good lawyer looking for a job, someone should hire them)
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https://twitter.com/Cat_Zakrzewski/status/1590749773619171328 I'm sure these are the types of statements you love to hear coming from the FTC about your business.
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AegisP posted:https://twitter.com/Cat_Zakrzewski/status/1590749773619171328 Your business which just lost all its legal and compliance heads
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haveblue posted:Your business which just lost all its legal and compliance heads dont worry when the FTC comes knocking and says we are going to fine twitter into oblivion and fine everyone who approved this, i am sure they will listen to elon musk saying "no, see, the engineers self-certified, not me or my lawyers, fine them"
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So when Twitter is gone, is there a similar platform people will flock to?
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Willo567 posted:So when Twitter is gone, is there a similar platform people will flock to? No. There is nothing else that can fill the role twitter does right now, which is a big reason why it hasn't fully imploded yet. There are some things that will probably get there eventually, like Mastodon, but if Musk burns the whole place down overnight an enormous number of communities, social connections, media networks, etc will just irreparably evaporate.
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Yesterday: And now: https://twitter.com/ZoeSchiffer/status/1590820944125513728
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https://twitter.com/stanzipotenza/status/1590741168471494658?s=20&t=Jsq0melHgweYTJ2l4m98ng EDIT:  https://twitter.com/TesIaReal/status/1590820573932052480?s=20&t=Jsq0melHgweYTJ2l4m98ng Dick Trauma fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Nov 10, 2022 |
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haveblue posted:No. There is nothing else that can fill the role twitter does right now, which is a big reason why it hasn't fully imploded yet. There are some things that will probably get there eventually, like Mastodon, but if Musk burns the whole place down overnight an enormous number of communities, social connections, media networks, etc will just irreparably evaporate.
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Been a banner day for Musk https://twitter.com/business/status/1590823031294894097?s=20&t=lIjKXVwWiYbpfZoV4LuABw https://twitter.com/MikeIsaac/status/1590810660887461888?s=20&t=lIjKXVwWiYbpfZoV4LuABw https://twitter.com/drewharwell/status/1590822878274097152?s=20&t=lIjKXVwWiYbpfZoV4LuABw https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/1590794421418790935?s=20&t=lIjKXVwWiYbpfZoV4LuABw
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"I told u I was hardcore" --Elon MuskWillo567 posted:Well that loving sucks. Couldn't it limp on like MySpace and LiveJournal are doing? Those are just unpopular, their owners still want them to function and they don't have a totally unmanageable level of debt thrust upon them. The absolute best case scenario at this point is Musk decides to unload the whole thing to another rich person/corp for pennies on the dollar, take an enormous loss, and disappear into ignominy. If there is an immediate change of leadership, they might be able to bring back enough staff to undo all the policy changes, settle the lawsuits, ban the nazis, and right the ship, after a long and painful period of poo poo. If he tries to stick it out, it's going to get liquidated and sold piecemeal and there will be no way to just flip a switch and turn it back on. haveblue fucked around with this message at 23:12 on Nov 10, 2022 |
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haveblue posted:"I told u I was hardcore" --Elon Musk I can't imagine his ego will allow him to do that honestly think he's just going to burn it to the ground and then say he's building it back up with a elite group of his own people and it'll be better than ever with all these new bells and whistles but it'll still suck and no one will use it because they'll have all moved on
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Levitate posted:I can't imagine his ego will allow him to do that No, he'll SAY he's building it back and then just never do it. Not doing things he says he's going to do is his favorite style of business, which is probably for the best because when he actually does do things it always goes terribly.
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I think it is genuinely amazing to watch something that was a part of everyday life used by a tremendous amount of people both average and influential appear to collapse into irrelevance almost overnight. It isn't gone yet but it feels weird to just picture tweets going away. Not bad mind you. Just weird.
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haveblue posted:"I told u I was hardcore" --Elon Musk Does Jeffrey want to buy Twitter?
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