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How much longer is Twitter going to last?
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Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006


Elon got YouTuber Ethan Klein and the h3h3productions Twitter account for making a clearly-marked parody impersonation, so he isn't giving a poo poo about who he's banning.

https://twitter.com/halomancer1/status/1589484940772913152?t=8-lalq8zqDYab7rGrRuTcg&s=19

Also, he banned a journalist after they impersonated far-right provocateur Andy Ngo and Ngo replied-tweeted under a Musk tweet about to ban them.

Young Freud fucked around with this message at 15:33 on Nov 7, 2022

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Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Welp, there he goes... https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589639376186724354?t=zyyXd8VPwR87eLAV3GdRpQ&s=19

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

I'm thinking this is probably the end of Twitter. If Elon is showing his biases, that doesn't bode well for either the politicians, journalists, activists, or the marketing teams on the site. Since we already see him acting in a petty way toward his critics and now he's making political endorsements, he's clearly not being an objective neutral party running the site.

Who wants to spend ad money for GMs or Fords new EVs for the site owner to post underneath them that they suck, buy Tesla instead?

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

You're already seeing the exodus of journalists. That Elon calling Mastodon "Masturbation" was economist Paul Krugman cross-posting from Mastodon. I have a feeling that, even given it's learning curve and gated nature, Mastodon will become the big journalism clearing house like Twitter was.

Maybe politicians, too, since they can get a server, federate it with the party's server, and mod their audiences so you don't get the weirdos interacting with AOC.

Everyone will be cross-posting until Twitter collapses, so most people will know where to get the news after everything.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

haveblue posted:

It may just be my imagination, but I feel like Twitter somehow already loads slower and less reliably

I've been getting double posts since Musk took over, so there's definitely something wrong.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

After much fanfare about removing the checkmarks from previous verified users and opening up verification to Twitter Blue, Elon reinvented the blue checkmark for politicians and celebs and then removed verification from Twitter Blue, making it opt-in and even more meaningless...
https://twitter.com/esthercrawford/status/1590109344976470016?t=-HLsDR6oeheOsin5OufzGQ&s=19
https://twitter.com/esthercrawford/status/1590109530452815872?t=AV3QSNlcLNBSIcxYUVAcMQ&s=19

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

wint has spoken...
https://twitter.com/dril/status/1590460790347542528?s=20&t=wMjvIjOTNPx_wrogzsUZXg

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Guess what day it is today....
https://twitter.com/faineg/status/1590891989033025536?s=20&t=-zW0GA-4BrBTdXe1_Xh7gw
Probably fitting that the Ghost of Lowtax is taking down Twitter.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Twitter Blue and the "verified" blue checks got suspended in the middle of the night, no new subs until Twitter can come up with a way to verify previous existing verified users easier (after Musk killed the "official" checkmark on a whim)...
https://twitter.com/ZoeSchiffer/status/1591081913166745601?t=uUg5_gCmdCIpPOAIvmeUHA&s=19

So, I am guessing that Twitter has NO revenue coming in now.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Elon pulled his bio that said he owned Twitter... https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1591030123574480896?t=XeKUQ9fsSkZISMKXd5wFEw&s=19

Also he's gone to vagueposting...
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1591102135613390850?t=9xx01C3cM6dXiSBIHGJGnw&s=19

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006


Not just them..
https://twitter.com/TRAAUUNT/status/1591152541039222784?t=fHeLqaWGpCiDYmLPmST1ug&s=19

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Inferior Third Season posted:

This may not have even involved any humans. Hedge funds and investment banks long ago gave up on market fundamentals for making decisions - rumors and short-term price movements are the primary drivers. I would be shocked if at least some of them haven't implemented systems that read all public tweets and use machine-learning to figure out whether there is "good" or "bad" chatter about a particular company. And all of the training sets the algorithms used would have weighted official company names with blue check marks as the most trustworthy.

A few of these algorithms doing an initial sudden sell-off would trigger the other high-frequency trading algorithms that aren't tapped into twitter, but which respond quickly to unexpected and sudden price changes.

It doesn't even have to be that involved (although it partially is): a day trader scrolling through Twitter is going to see that a "verified" account is announcing something and doesn't have the time to see if the bio is legit or not. They have seconds to react before running to an exchange floor to either start buying or selling. Now multiple that by hundreds of traders.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

This seems pretty concerning...
https://twitter.com/this_lampert/status/1591424934815096832?s=20&t=71h_EfInBDezNDAAmJr_-A

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

That Italian Guy posted:

Yeah, dev is supposed to be the "safe to experiment with" environment; there isn't an env before that unless the Devs are running a local development one on their own machine. Still I'm curious why they would even run stuff in Dev directly instead of pushing it to prod, if they want to use it in prod :v:

That's how I took it. Or, pulling away from internet-focused to more commonly-understood software engineering, Musk is basically running a beta-in-a-box version of Twitter until they can get things working with the customers.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

I AM GRANDO posted:

He has caused a huge pharmaceutical company to lose a billion dollars since the last time?

Also, a large defense contractor, at least at last count. There's probably a few others that haven't registered yet, but Eli Lilly and Lockheed Martin losing billions due to satirical posts from impersonating accounts is the most well-known of the big business losses due to Twitter posts.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

EasyEW posted:

A few snatches of things from Reuters:

There's a lot of rumors going around that Twitter has less than 250-300 employees left

Edit:

Here we go....
https://twitter.com/ScottMStedman/status/1593427031907106821?s=20&t=cMfJed8SXCfYHX991_o3MA

Young Freud fucked around with this message at 03:46 on Nov 18, 2022

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

They're maybe less than 200-300 now. Lots of resignations into the night....
https://twitter.com/ZoeSchiffer/status/1593427480051822592?s=20&t=cMfJed8SXCfYHX991_o3MA

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

People were just logging off on call during Elon's big speech...https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1593405187745619975?t=yK8N6fJdFT2nYT-H5icOdg&s=19

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006


More on that...
https://twitter.com/ZoeSchiffer/status/1593649356661436417?t=DZbPb0H29rlfOFW1BfVUXg&s=19
https://twitter.com/ZoeSchiffer/status/1593652897236934656?t=Wh997aMUG9lgPcMfdMQpMQ&s=19

Elon has no fuckin' idea how to run this company.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Someone reposted this analysis of Elon's tweets and he's become increasingly terminally online.
https://twitter.com/zbloom89/status/1593664308835221507?s=20&t=N20n3penE13nFrlxj75MPA
There's a joke that Elon's heart is probably going to give out before the servers at Twitter will.

Edit: also, speaking of Elon, here's a photo of him with a bunch of the engineers who stayed. I would not doubt that is probably everyone at Twitter in this photo.
https://twitter.com/MediumSizeMeech/status/1593975116517384192?s=20&t=J6VBxOwZPuKriyxzlMv0ow

Young Freud fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Nov 19, 2022

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Also, apparently for all the talk of Elon about removing trans protections, those protections are automated and report still works as usual because there's no one there to review the reports.
https://twitter.com/epistemophagy/status/1593773757075640320?s=20&t=RwLaMFRlcWIIlXqY-4CzRQ

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Elon reactivated Trump's account...
https://apnews.com/article/elon-mus..._source=Twitter

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

FlamingLiberal posted:

Another account posted the full Fast and Furious Tokyo Drift but it got taken down

Not just Tokyo Drift, but I'm pretty sure the entire series was uploaded, because I saw the first film being tweeted on Friday. All 52 tweets of it.

I was talking to if someone really wanted to hurt Twitter with the loose copyright restrictions, they'd upload a Disney property, especially something that's airing on Disney + or even in theaters.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

I AM GRANDO posted:

I’m worried that elon is going to hire experts to run twitter and it won’t collapse after all.

The app side is already starting to flake out: on my Android tablet, non-cached images and videos are taking much longer to load, but PC looks like normal.

Also, people are beginning to notice the exodus and when their followers and engagement begin slipping, they'll start looking for where they are going and start planning their own moves.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Dick Trauma posted:

https://twitter.com/ehananoki/status/1594768925807775744?s=20&t=aSu4tRX27qE5FQAwcEphWQ

Musk is definitely committed to making Twitter a hell site. I understand why people are trying to fight this but I don't see how they can win.

Most people I've been following are just there until something else stabilizes, waiting to see where they're friends are going, or looking forward to the end. Everyone whose not a chud has basically given up on the site.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

haveblue posted:

Yeah, there are basically two outcomes at this point:

The first is particularly salient because Twitter cost Elon $44 billion dollars plus $1 billion every year and Truth Social, Gab, Parler, etc cost a fraction of that. Twitter collapsing under the weight of unrelenting chudiness is gonna be felt entirely because its so expensive to buy and maintain.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Elon's recent outburst at Trent Reznor leaving Twitter is a repeat of his outburst at advertisers , but even more relevant to Twitter's continued existing. Celebs on Twitter was a major reason the forum became popular and if they're leaving in droves because of Trump and the toxicity means that the average user can't follow or interact with them. At least on Twitter, because you can still go in Instagram and follow them.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Dick Trauma posted:

The chuds are in a froth over a list of 5,000 Twitter accounts they've branded as antifa, and are urging one another to mass report all of these accounts to get them banned. I found this entertaining and slightly surreal exchange related to this incident.



They put dril on that list. So much for comedy being legal.

And libsoftiktok lol.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Absurd Alhazred posted:

Is there a way of checking that list out without giving chuds clicks?

Here's the list in alphabetical order
https://votethemallout.ca/a.txt

Or you can go through this thread for the highlights...
https://twitter.com/halomancer1/status/1596066707746873344?s=20&t=GGxUgM5f3wQXsv4sWiwLXQ

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

haveblue posted:

Facebook already went through that and their solution was the half-dozen react emotes in addition to the like button (but none of them actually mean "I don't like this but it's worth reading"). It's a vaguely interesting problem but no one except people whose livelihoods depend on engagement metrics thinks it's important.

Supposedly, the FB emotes are secretly weighted, with Thumbs Up and Rage emotes being given more weight than the Concern/Hug and Sad emotes. I've seen people complain about FB engagement obviously having really vital messages like potential self-harm or GoFundMe charity posts getting hidden in timelines because of all the Concern and Sad emotes.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

So...

A lot happened last night.

Basically, Kanye followed up his appearance on Infowars by posting "his" logo for his 2024 presidential run, which was the Raelian swastika and Star Of David hybrid. Apparently, Musk DMed him, to which Kanye posted the DMs, which have the same tone as Grimes trying to talk down his transphobia a few years ago. The posts got taken down in violation, to which Ye tweeted about leaving Twitter and added a parting shot of an unflattering photo of Musk in his swimming trunks. Some time during the night, Musk permanently suspended Kanye, which wasn't lost on no one since Ye's return to Twitter was heavily publicized.

In addition, Parler pulled out of their deal to sell the company to Ye, apparently the antisemitism was too great for them.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

evilweasel posted:

parler pulled out because ye has no money, they just chose to announce it yesterday to try and imply it was because of the hitler thing

That's hilarious.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

nine-gear crow posted:

Kanye. Elon....? Trump.

House GOP Judiciary account deleted that tweet yesterday.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Twitter Files day 2 finally happened and disgraced NYT editor Bari Weiss has been trying to create a narrative that Twitter censors conservative voices in its content moderation, but just revealed that Libs Of TikTok is apparently protected from on high by upper management.
https://twitter.com/Esqueer_/status/1601058246592077824?s=20&t=EBayiM03kb9QH-I5HiDYJw

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Sodomy Hussein posted:

Bari was too socially toxic at work and generally dumb to keep a lifetime appointment as token conservative NYT columnist, something many would kill for. Difficult to imagine how low she'll ultimately sink.

There's honestly a lot going on in that screenshot, not just LoTT getting preferential treatment. There's a watermark on the screen that is a reference to Twitter's new VP of Trust & Safety Ella Irwin, which she copped to...https://twitter.com/ellagirwin/status/1601084794288640000?t=j2_EbJINjRTTP3bwVf3o9w&s=19

And that page gives access to everything, including DMs and IPs. Now, Irwin is saying that she had full control over the access, but noted transphobe Abigail Shirer, who is involved with Weiss on these Twitter Files BS, said they were given "extensive, unaltered access", so who knows who's telling the truth.

Also, if you look closely, you'll see the traffic of the LoTT account which is apparently 1 million followers but only 800 verified users, even after the whole "buy-a-bluecheck" scheme.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

I AM GRANDO posted:

I’m concerned that twitter might not die. I had such high hopes, but it seems to have gone back to being default communication from journalists and public figures, and it hasn’t crashed.

Elton John left today, citing the air of "misinformation" on the site.

And, as is usual with any high-profile user, Elon begged them to stay.

It's a slow death, but the site is dying.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Mercury_Storm posted:

If there was something better or simple to take it's place, it may have even died before the takeover, and would have much less of a market share now. Maybe if Mastodon figured out how to let people search easily or allowed embeds as easily as Twitter does it could have done it already.

What I am seeing is that activists and journalists are congregating on Mastodon, where the federation allows them to communicate one another while moderating each other's server's content. One of those interesting things is that the Holocaust Museum posted that it took them 5 years to get 50K followers on Twitter, but they got that in a month on Mastodon.

Meanwhile, celebs and some creatives are going to tumblr. Like Mark Ruffalo just put out a "going away" tweet to his 8.3 million followers and the only link he has is Tumblr.

My guess is that how did you spend your time on Twitter? Was it mostly in activism or reporting the news? Mastodon. Was it mostly shitposting and retweeting funny stuff or making memes about things? Tumblr.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

FlamingLiberal posted:

Yeah the 'Twitter Files' confirmed why LibsofTikTok has been untouchable so far in terms of being banned despite the account holder repeatedly inciting violence

I would like to know why she's special to Jack though. That I don't really understand.

You need to look at that screen shot again. That's from a couple of days ago. Jack may have gave them preferential treatment, but that "DO NOT BAN UNLESS I SAY SO" flag is on Elon's Twitter.

Also, remember that LoTT has been suspended 7 times over it's two year lifespan, so that flag might be recent.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Remember when Musk was complaining about the Apple store having a "tax" and trying to weasel out of it by making insinuations about it's censor ship because it was ruining his big idea to save the company?

Well, Musk is passing on the Apple "tax" onto Apple Twitter users by bringing back Twitter Blue but iOS users have to pay $11/mo instead of $8/mo.
https://twitter.com/Twitter/status/1601692766257709056?s=20&t=sYi7YnpDWE2TNXtLOXJrdA
Also, 3 out of 4 features for Twitter Blue in that ad are "coming soon" and haven't been implemented as of yet.

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Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Apparently, he's talking about moving the character limit from 280 to 4000 characters, which basically kills whatever cachet the social media site had.

Twitter runs on "brevity is the soul of wit", it makes users have to summarize their thoughts, remove the cruft, and present the essentials.

It's why dril became so popular, he was posting these surreal jokes in a single sentence. Now, we'll get Babylon Bee posting an unfunny transphobic joke and then spend the next 3000 characters to explain why its funny.

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