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How much longer is Twitter going to last?
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haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Quorum posted:

Things Twitter doesn't really need right now: a PR team, apparently?

I've seen impetuous man-baby management, and I've seen brutal strip-out-the-wiring hedge fund management, but this looks like it's managing to be both so far and it's incredible.

Musk may also be literally stripping the wires out of the walls- he's reportedly looking into slashing the infrastructure budget too.

I remember half-jokingly speculating early in this process that he would destroy twitter by indirectly causing frequent and extended downtime due to staffing disruption. It never occurred to me he would do it intentionally.

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haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Space Cadet Omoly posted:

So, Elon Musk is going to make a lot of bad choices that gently caress up a lot of people's lives and suffer no consequences for his actions, right? Is that where this is all headed?

Most likely. But he committed the only crime that might actually result in punishment, losing rich people's money, so who knows. He's also doing significant damage to the one thing he values more than money, his reputation as a big brain tech genius idea guy. His personal wealth is also tied up in a stock most people agree is very overvalued and riding for a fall (Tesla), so let's see what happens.

The idea that the richest man in the world might post his way to not being the richest man in the world is extremely funny even if nothing fundamentally changes

haveblue fucked around with this message at 21:41 on Nov 4, 2022

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
Archiving every tweet that gets made at the moment it gets made is a major project. For one thing, you need a special arrangement with twitter to receive that data, you can’t just make an account that follows every other account. For another, it takes a good deal of computer to properly handle that kind of scale. The Library of Congress used to do it but I think they stopped a while ago.

haveblue fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Nov 5, 2022

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
Maybe from a demand standpoint, but twitter still needs to actually *work* for that

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
Yeah, that ignores that a lot of people don't want a massive global space in which anyone can interact with anyone. The conflicts when one group brushes up against another group are a large part of what makes twitter lovely to use and it's the thing that makes the "main character" phenomenon possible.

I could see them adding a server-wide news-timeline-like screen as part of the feature set, but the siloing will never (and should never) go away

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
Those 14 remaining moderators hard at work, I see

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Young Freud posted:

I'm thinking this is probably the end of Twitter. If Elon is showing his biases, that doesn't bode well for either the politicians, journalists, activists, or the marketing teams on the site. Since we already see him acting in a petty way toward his critics and now he's making political endorsements, he's clearly not being an objective neutral party running the site.

Who wants to spend ad money for GMs or Fords new EVs for the site owner to post underneath them that they suck, buy Tesla instead?

I wouldn't be surprised if he cancels GM and Ford ad buys himself at this point. He's already acting like he's the king of twitter, his word is law, and dissent will not be tolerated

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Wayne Knight posted:

What does/did it say? I don’t even see “this tweet was deleted”, I see “this page is down”

Edit: it loads if I remove the querystring

It may just be my imagination, but I feel like Twitter somehow already loads slower and less reliably

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
Later: Pay $8 to get an Official tag. Verified accounts will now be labeled Double Official

[...]

Later: Pay $8 to get an Official Infinity tag. Verified accounts will now be labeled Official Infinity Plus One

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Cicero posted:

Meta laid off 11,000 (13% of company).

Almost 3 twitters of layoffs

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Rocko Bonaparte posted:

Don't you get a consent decree for loving up in the first place?

Yes, this is a the result of a user data misuse investigation from before the Musk buyout.

https://www.ftc.gov/business-guidance/blog/2022/05/twitter-pay-150-million-penalty-allegedly-breaking-its-privacy-promises-again

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Sodomy Hussein posted:

This is basically "abandon ship!" in all but word.

Yeah that letter sends a very clear message that working at twitter will literally place you in danger. If you aren't shoved back into an office to increase your covid exposure, you will be ordered to work ridiculous hours that degrade your mental health on stupid projects proposed and instantly killed by the worst boss in the world. You will also be ordered to assume the substantial legal and financial risk associated with his terrible decisions and build a record of professional failure. He can't actually tell people to quit, so he's laying all this out in the clearest possible terms and hoping the engineers are smart enough to put two and two together

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

AegisP posted:

https://twitter.com/Cat_Zakrzewski/status/1590749773619171328

I'm sure these are the types of statements you love to hear coming from the FTC about your business.

Your business which just lost all its legal and compliance heads

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Willo567 posted:

So when Twitter is gone, is there a similar platform people will flock to?

No. There is nothing else that can fill the role twitter does right now, which is a big reason why it hasn't fully imploded yet. There are some things that will probably get there eventually, like Mastodon, but if Musk burns the whole place down overnight an enormous number of communities, social connections, media networks, etc will just irreparably evaporate.

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
"I told u I was hardcore" --Elon Musk

Willo567 posted:

Well that loving sucks. Couldn't it limp on like MySpace and LiveJournal are doing?

Those are just unpopular, their owners still want them to function and they don't have a totally unmanageable level of debt thrust upon them.

The absolute best case scenario at this point is Musk decides to unload the whole thing to another rich person/corp for pennies on the dollar, take an enormous loss, and disappear into ignominy. If there is an immediate change of leadership, they might be able to bring back enough staff to undo all the policy changes, settle the lawsuits, ban the nazis, and right the ship, after a long and painful period of poo poo. If he tries to stick it out, it's going to get liquidated and sold piecemeal and there will be no way to just flip a switch and turn it back on.

haveblue fucked around with this message at 23:12 on Nov 10, 2022

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
If he wanted to destroy twitter, he could have just fired 100% of the staff and had the last guy hit the off switch on the way out. There was nothing intentional about this other than his failure to realize the degree and speed with which his ideas weren’t working

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

ImpAtom posted:

I wonder if ol' Musky has it in him to bite the bullet and revert or if he is just going to keep slathering that lipstick on the pig's anus

The change above is already somewhat of a reversal, since he apparently personally killed the "official" tag yesterday. I can only assume that all his advisers pulled him into a room and told him that if he doesn't reverse it, Twitter dies tonight and he finally capitulated and let someone throw the switch.

Reversing the rest of it, especially the staff departures, is going to be a lot harder

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Rocko Bonaparte posted:

And then some AI image generator turns every query given to it into Sonic porn.

Yeah I feel like the best possible outcome here is strategic opt-ins to overrepresent certain genres

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
My “you probably won’t go to jail for me” T-shirt has people asking a lot of questions already answered by my shirt

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Old James posted:

What is the original meme?

That’s the picture of the small, sad ball pit at the very poorly run Tumblr convention

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
Should have asked him about rival messaging platform Updog

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
Alternatively “all the release engineers got fired, is there anyone left who has even a vague idea of how to deploy”

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

koolkal posted:

He's picked fights with several Dem senators and federal organizations before and has never faced any consequences.

Why would this be different?

Because now he’s loving with some very important things:

-the money of rich people

-the media ecosystem politicians depend on

-a watchdog agency that does not gently caress around

-national security (through SpaceX DOD contracts)

He’s an emperor who just ripped off all his clothes in the public square and everyone with power who has ever resented him smells blood in the water

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

socialsecurity posted:

That poo poo with him is so weird, the CEO of Ford doesn't come out and say I'm an expert on everything Truck because my company sells F-150s because that isn't the CEOs job.

He also doesn't show up one day, fire all the designers, and then ask if trucks really use all 4 of their wheels

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
Badge reading was a microservice

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Edmund Lava posted:

World Cup is this weekend. The site struggles to keep up during the World Cup in the best of times. So 3 days.

Earlier someone pointed out a certificate that expires in early December. There might not be anyone left who has access to the credentials needed to renew it, let alone knows how to

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Electric Phantasm posted:

So what would Twitter imploding realistically look like? Just the website disappearing into the ether with no warning?

Yes. Something load-bearing breaks and nobody fixes it. The site starts returning internal errors or stops responding entirely. Computers do not heal or reconfigure themselves and all the staff who could have done it are gone. A site on the scale of twitter requires constant attention from a large team, it’s just all invisible because when they do their job it works flawlessly

haveblue fucked around with this message at 06:45 on Nov 18, 2022

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

"Everyone who doesn't attend this meeting will be fired."

"No one can attend the meeting. No one can get into the building. We're having this conversation in the parking lot because even your badge doesn't work."

"EVERYONE WHO DOESN'T ATTEND THIS MEETING WILL BE FIRED."

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
Don’t forget that it also works a lot better if you start out with a large family fortune. Even fewer people go from a normal-person amount of money to billionaire

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
Pop quiz: Of all the things that have been removed from Twitter recently, which do you think is the first that should be restored as part of a recovery plan?

a) Most of their human resources

b) Advertiser confidence

c) Stability of their foundational services

d) Policies that effectively counter impersonation and deception

e) The voices of assorted alt-right dipshits

You will be shocked to know the answer

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
Sure enough, he’s also lifted Twitter’s general ban on misgendering entirely

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
https://twitter.com/chadloder/status/1594139381727916033

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

FlamingLiberal posted:

Another account posted the full Fast and Furious Tokyo Drift but it got taken down

Huh, wouldn’t have guessed twitter had anyone left capable of doing that

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
It would be really funny if some disgruntled twitter engineer got into the database and deleted all of that account’s follows, rendering it worthless even if he logged back in and tweeted

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

nine-gear crow posted:

Oh well, at least Elon unbanned the Babylon Bee. So maybe it was?

It will definitely not be worth it when Twitter fully collapses and neither the Babylon Bee nor Trump nor anyone else is able to post on it ever again

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

I AM GRANDO posted:

I’m worried that elon is going to hire experts to run twitter and it won’t collapse after all.

Expertise implies functioning brain cells. Can you imagine having functioning brain cells and also a desire to start working for Twitter right now? Firemen don't run into burning buildings while the arsonist is still throwing gas on them

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Good luck, hope they've fixed the doors by then

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
Did they immediately create a replica of Twitter? I remember them fracturing just as much, into Gab and Parler and Truth and Voat and maybe one or two others and all of them have faceplanted by now or at least aren't relevant to The Discourse on nearly the level that Twitter is

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
Yeah, there are basically two outcomes at this point:

-Musk succeeds in filling twitter with all the terrible people and content it's spent the last couple of years getting rid of. Everyone who isn't terrible leaves. All the terrible people yell at each other for a while, then realize there are no longer any libs to own and also leave. Throw it on the pile with the right-wing social medias mentioned upthread.

-Twitter suffers a catastrophic technical failure that goes unaddressed for a long time (days, weeks). Everyone migrates elsewhere. If the problem is ever fixed, they don't come back. Twitter is a wasteland where naught is heard but the howling of restless spirits

Any process that leads to Twitter returning to being a healthy, popular social site involves getting it out of Musk's hands, which can't happen without his cooperation, which he won't give

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haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
Yeah, while I don’t think it’s exactly wrong to say people visit twitter to get angry online, that’s not the whole picture. People also visit to read tweets from famous people whose opinions, experiences, or works they care about, and these are the people the ads are trying to reach, not the argumentative ones. You empty their timelines of Compelling Content by driving off all the non-awful celebrities, engagement drops

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