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Brazil - Group G 11/24- Serbia 11/28- Switzerland 12/02- Cameroon The year is 2002. Brazil has just won its 5th world cup. It has been a particularly impressive decade for Brazil. WC winners in 94, runners-up in 98, and winners again in 2002. And this doesn't look like the end of an era, but rather the beginning. Of the 11 starters of the 2002 team, 7 are 25 or younger, and only 2 are 30 or older (Cafu, 31, and Rivaldo, 30). This is also the only team in history to include 4 players who would win the ballon d'or/fifa player of the year awards (Ronaldo, 25, Ronaldinho, 22, Kaka, 20 and Rivaldo, 31). To many, this seems like the start of a "dream team." Nike certainly treats it that way, giving Brazil the type of NBA inspired marketing campaign with the slogan "Joga Bonito." Betting sites have had Brazil as the favourites to win the world cup in every cup since then. But, of course, this wasn't the start of a soccer dream team. Instead, it was the last time Brazil ever made it to a world cup final. It also marked the last time Brazil beat an European nation in a knock out round. Since 2002, Brazil has faced an European team in the knock out rounds 5 times. It has lost all 5 times. In those 5 games, it has conceded 15 goals and scored 3. There are many reasons for this futility from the otherwise most successful nation in the history of world cups. - The global fame and expectations of easy wins led to a number of players declining early due to partying (Adriano, Ronaldinho) or injuries (Kaka). - The prestige of Brazilian players and their relative poverty led to most players with potential being sold early, frequently to joke leagues around the world. 2002 was the last time the majority of the Brazilian national team was based in Brazil. Brazil has been fairly successful at the youth level since 2002 (current u-17 world champions, u-20 world champions in 03 and 11, olympic gold in 16 and 20). But then a significant chunk of these players end up in the Ukrainian league, China, MLS, UAE and other joke leagues. - This pressure to sell stars quick and make a quick buck has essentially destroyed coaching in Brazil. Once upon a time, it was common to see Brazilians coaching teams from all over the world. But with Brazilian teams playing 70 games a year and rosters rotating like crazy, Brazilian coaches are little more than confidence boosters. The best coaches in Brazil are Portuguese and Argentinean, and Scolari is still among the most successful Brazilian ones. All this brings us to Qatar 2022. If Brazil does not win it all this year, it will tie the longest title drought (in terms of number of world cups) in Brazilian history. The only reason pressure isn't higher on Brazil is because, since many Brazilian players heartily got involved in politics and supported Bolsonaro, support in Brazil for the national team is likely at an all time low. This brings us to the 2022 WC squad Head Coach: Tite. Hugely successful in Brazil at the club level, Tite has been the manager of Brazil since 2016. Somewhat controversial with the old guard in Brazil, Tite prefers efficiency and a safe defense over flair and aggression. During the qualifiers, Brazil conceded just 5 goals in 17 matches. The 26 players selected for the World Cup: GKs: Alisson (Liverpool), Ederson (Manchester City) e Weverton (Palmeiras) Fullbacks: Daniel Alves (Pumas) Danilo (Juventus) Alex Sandro (Juventus) and Alex Telles (Sevilla) CBs: Bremer (Juventus) Eder Militao (Real Madrid) Marquinhos (PSG) and Thiago Silva (Chelsea) Midfielders: Bruno Guimaraes (Newcastle) Casemiro (Man U) Fabinho (Liverpool) Fred (Man U) Everton Ribeiro (Flamengo) and Lucas Paqueta (West Ham) Forwards: Antony (Man U) Gabriel Jesus (Arsenal) Gabriel Martinelli (Arsenal) Neymar (PSG) Pedro (Flamengo) Raphinha (Barcelona) Richarlison (Tottenham) Rodrygo (Real Madrid) and Vini Jr (Real Madrid) the likely starting formation is: Alisson; Danilo, Marquinhos, Thiago Silva, Alex Telles; Casemiro, Fred, Lucas Paqueta; Raphinha, Neymar, Richarlison Most of these players are well known, so I will just highlight a few: The guy whose legacy is on the line:  Neymar, Neymarketing, or simply Ney. You know him, you probably hate him. This is likely the WC that will define his career. His stats are likely to end up the best of all time for Brazil. He is about to become the biggest scorer for Brazil (he has 75 to Pele's 77) and the most capped player in Brazilian history (he is at 121, Cafu leads with 142). But so far those have been the equivalent of empty calories: of his 75 goals for Brazil, only 1 was scored at a knock out game in either the WC or Copa America (first goal against Mexico in 18). 46 of those were in friendlies. If he fails to win the world cup, he will go down in history more famous for his off the field antics (campaigned heavily for Bolsonaro, several charges of tax evasion from different countries, dropped by Nike due to sexual assault allegations) than on the field. The surprise: Daniel Alves. Dude is 39, and is in such bad shape that he got dropped from his last Brazilian team, couldn't find any other team in Brazil to take him, and is now in Mexico playing under a performance contract where he is paid by game. Like, wtf. https://twitter.com/paisoltaram/status/1589652884458962944 Where the talent actually lies: Brazil's real strength is in its young trio of Raphinha, Lucas Paqueta and Richarlison. There is also some real clamor for Vini Jr to be on the starting 11. IK Edit: https://dubz5.com/uploaded/1669321895.mp4 Somebody fucked around with this message at 01:16 on Nov 25, 2022 |
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Brazil's best players are the arsenal ones OP. No one cares about a Leeds reject who went to a club run even less financially responsibly.
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Nov 7, 2022 20:42
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Tite apparently cares. None of the arsenal folks have started for Brazil recently, and first off the bench have been Antony and Vini Jr.
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Nov 7, 2022 20:53
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those are a lot of very well researched facts that hide the truth that actually Brazil won for 50 years because of a wizard's spell, until one day a young boy in Leeds pointed at Roque Junior and said "fuckin' 'ell mum, he's dogshit, he is" and the spell was broken forever he's a mod now
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Nov 7, 2022 20:57
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dani loving alves out of nowhere  lmao
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Nov 7, 2022 21:00
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Dani Alves lmao
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Nov 7, 2022 21:20
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lol dani alves what year is this
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Nov 8, 2022 06:47
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Great OP, op. I believed in roque junior and Raphinha is an honorary good Leeds lad so will be nice to see him win the tournament/crash out in the quarters after neymar misses a penalty with a 20 minute run up routine
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Nov 8, 2022 08:35
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I didn’t think Paqueta was so highly rated or such a core part of the Brazil setup. I can’t say that I follow all of West Ham’s games but it’s just surprising that someone from a bigger team doesn’t play ahead of him.
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Nov 10, 2022 22:08
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no fagner, no bobby smh
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Nov 11, 2022 17:44
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Are washed Juve duo Alex Sandro and Danilo really the best Brazilian fullbacks?
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Nov 11, 2022 17:49
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Backdoor Delivery posted:Are washed Juve duo Alex Sandro and Danilo really the best Brazilian fullbacks? Guilherme Arana was likely going to be the left fullback starter but he blew out his knee and is out for at least another 6 months. Renan Lodi was the other option on the left, but he blew his chance when he couldn't enter Ecuador for refusing to get vaccinated, and then followed it up by doing this in the last Copa America final: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7u-ufZcEXU On the right side, Brazil has been absolutely awful at producing fullbacks. Especially since Tite likes to have their fullbacks be good at defending (since he likes his wingers wide up front) and most of decent right fullbacks in Brazil are offense first defense last (like Marcos Rocha).
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Nov 11, 2022 18:26
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Lol if you don't think Dani Alves will be lining up at right back for Brazil.
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Nov 11, 2022 19:07
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Caio Henrique is pretty good, i guess he must not be on their radar
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Nov 11, 2022 21:10
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What is the over under on number of rolls Neymar performs at this world cup, thank you?
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Nov 12, 2022 03:57
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tristeham posted:Caio Henrique is pretty good, i guess he must not be on their radar Tite likes to play with 3 forwards and 2 of them playing really wide, so the fullbacks are mostly there for defense and support only, so Tite is all about people who buy into his vision. Caio Henrique is considering playing for Spain, I believe. builds character posted:What is the over under on number of rolls Neymar performs at this world cup, thank you? Hopefully just the once, like he did against Colombia in 14.
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Nov 12, 2022 04:57
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a slow, mournful Fagner
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Nov 12, 2022 23:38
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i would like brazil to fail due to not bringing Bobby Firmino
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Nov 13, 2022 00:29
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i would like brazil to fail because they are brazil any chance for neymar to cry is good for the game imo
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Nov 13, 2022 00:38
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Tokyo Sexwale posted:i would like brazil to fail because they are brazil 
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Nov 13, 2022 09:26
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I legit hope Neymar gets crippled or dies during this
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Nov 13, 2022 12:20
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Plutonis posted:I legit hope Neymar gets crippled or dies during this It's cool that this subforum has been top level for all of a week and already getting posters like this
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Nov 13, 2022 15:41
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CyberPingu posted:It's cool that this subforum has been top level for all of a week and already getting posters like this Unfortunately the Brazil thread will attract Brazilians, yes
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Nov 13, 2022 16:22
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Plutonis posted:Unfortunately the Brazil thread will attract Brazilians, yes Why does Neymar play if Brazilians hate him?
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I don't think everyone hates him, though he certainly isn't as liked as the stars of old like Ronaldinho and Ronaldo, who were almost unanimously adored. A couple of things split people's opinions of him. The first is an old split. In Brazil there is a big split between people who are primarily fans of local soccer teams and people who are primarily fans of the national team. People who are primarily fans of the national team probably have always like Neymar. But people who are primarily fans of soccer clubs saw him pampered and treated like royalty by refs while at santos and hated his antics before it was "cool." The other is a newer one. Neymar went all out for Bolsonaro. Not getting into the whole politics here, but let's just say that Bolsonaro is a divisive figure. And neymar promised to dedicate a world cup win to him. Personally, Ive disliked since before it was cool and it was a shame he wasn't there for the 7-1.
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Nov 13, 2022 17:24
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTPENfIqZns
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joepinetree posted:I don't think everyone hates him, though he certainly isn't as liked as the stars of old like Ronaldinho and Ronaldo, who were almost unanimously adored. A couple of things split people's opinions of him. Wasn't like half of the squad active Bolsonaro fans?
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Nov 13, 2022 17:38
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Someone list all the Bolsonaro supporters in the squad. This will be an integral part of my viewing experience when Brazil’s getting thrashed again.
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Nov 13, 2022 18:21
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CyberPingu posted:Wasn't like half of the squad active Bolsonaro fans? The issue was less supporting Bolsonaro, but how Neymar did it, recording a video saying he'd dedicate a win to Bolsonaro. Athletes with dumb political opinions isn't particularly noteworthy. But rarely do they make it so front and center. This already in a scenario where the yellow jersey was the unofficial uniform of the Bolsonaro movement. In any case, not trying turn this into a political discussion. Just explaining why a lot of Brazilians want to see Neymar get hosed joepinetree fucked around with this message at 19:11 on Nov 13, 2022 |
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Nov 13, 2022 18:49
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That second richarlison score was loving beautiful
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Nov 24, 2022 22:13
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this needs to be on a fifa game https://dubz5.com/uploaded/1669321895.mp4
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Nov 24, 2022 22:47
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Plutonis posted:this needs to be on a fifa game Added to the OP
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Plutonis posted:this needs to be on a fifa game https://twitter.com/choquei/status/1595880959680937986
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Nov 25, 2022 01:31
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Richarlison seems like an absolute twat on the pitch but that’s a nice goal and seems like a good lad off
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Nov 25, 2022 01:35
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Richarlison is a legit good dude. People from his first club (America MG) always spoke highly of him and he always celebrated them despite them being a minor club.
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Nov 25, 2022 01:53
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 That’s all I got, perfect goal
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Nov 25, 2022 02:04
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It's good when good lads do well. Antony looked good when he came on too.
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Nov 25, 2022 02:13
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Loving Africa Chaps posted:Brazil's best players are the arsenal ones OP. No one cares about a Leeds reject who went to a club run even less financially responsibly. Raphina owns A Buffer Gay Dude fucked around with this message at 02:22 on Nov 25, 2022 |
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Nov 25, 2022 02:19
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If we lose the number 10 albatross on our neck i think we legit have a shot at winning
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A Buffer Gay Dude posted:Raphina owns Does he though???
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