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Scrub-Niggurath
Nov 27, 2007

there’s a candidate tomorrow for senate who worked with Lyndon LaRouche and now has LaRouche as her political party

what does any of that mean?

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Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry
it means they have sex and you dont

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Scrub-Niggurath posted:

there’s a candidate tomorrow for senate who worked with Lyndon LaRouche and now has LaRouche as her political party

what does any of that mean?

https://soundgasm.net/u/masterminder/Episode-250-Lyndon-LaRouche-Assassins-Creed-III

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

It translates as the rouche

Rouche: a strip of pleated or frilled lawn, lace, etc, used to decorate blouses, dresses, etc, or worn around the neck like a small ruff as in the 16th century

That clears it up, yeah?

Turtle Watch
Jul 30, 2010

by Games Forum
It’s not my job to educate you on what larouchians are.

Scrub-Niggurath
Nov 27, 2007

Turtle Watch posted:

It’s not my job to educate you on what larouchians are.

it’s none of our jobs to post, yet we do it anyway

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here
it's the royal panda conspiracy plus secret reptilians I think

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

LaRouche was the one man able to unite the left.
https://twitter.com/donaldp1917/status/1556824390666518529?s=20&t=W2XuPGJTol0XfF0-NLkFpg

It was united against him, but still.

Cuttlefush
Jan 15, 2014

Gleichheit soll gedeihen

Scrub-Niggurath posted:

there’s a candidate tomorrow for senate who worked with Lyndon LaRouche and now has LaRouche as her political party

what does any of that mean?

the kind of guy lenin warned you about

pretty sure you aren't seriously asking but in case you are larouche and larouchites are one of many reactionary, anti-communist tendencies that read some marx and didnt get it. see also: strasserism/national bolshevism (nazbols), western leftist patsoc poo poo like caleb maupin/infrared/vauche, that one guy in russia whose name i forget are the modern equivalents but I guess larouchers are also back from the dead. they are bad

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.
Not much OP, what are larouchians with you?

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

https://twitter.com/gadflypod/status/1464310860344614921

Bootleg Trunks
Jun 12, 2020


i liked this and the big water resevoir in the yukon idea

Morbus
May 18, 2004

they are a diminutive supernatural being in Irish folklore, classed by some as a type of solitary fairy. They are usually depicted as little bearded men, wearing a coat and hat, who partake in mischief. In later times, they have been depicted as shoe-makers who have a hidden pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Cuttlefush posted:

the kind of guy lenin warned you about

pretty sure you aren't seriously asking but in case you are larouche and larouchites are one of many reactionary, anti-communist tendencies that read some marx and didnt get it. see also: strasserism/national bolshevism (nazbols), western leftist patsoc poo poo like caleb maupin/infrared/vauche, that one guy in russia whose name i forget are the modern equivalents but I guess larouchers are also back from the dead. they are bad
a lot of this stuff -- not larouchism per se but this patsoc / maupin / infrared stuff -- tends to fixate on wanting to make socialism appeal to trump supporters by telling them about what they have to gain, but leaving out what they have to give up on, or what they have to sacrifice. that's because the answer is "not much" especially when it's perceived as benefiting disfavored outgroups. meanwhile, the left has to give up on "all this woke stuff." larouche was also the kind of guy who, when he was still nominally a leftist (a trotskyist) before he turned into an outright ultra-rightist and anti-communist figure and kooky perennial candidate by the late 70s/80s, would castigate the late 60s/early 70s left for focusing too much on "race politics."

Scrub-Niggurath posted:

there’s a candidate tomorrow for senate who worked with Lyndon LaRouche and now has LaRouche as her political party

what does any of that mean?
it's a political cult. i got into a hole reading about it and there are a few things that stand out to me. most prominent is a producerist ideology to the max. they believe there are no resource or ecological constraints to growth. they're like the opposite of anprims, which basically means they're idealists and utopians but from the other direction. they're also climate change denialists. i think their ideal state would be that magnasanti experiment in sim city. and like a lot of cults, scientology, etc. there's stuff on the surface that seems enticing or reasonable -- like their talk about reindustrialization -- until you dig in a little deeper and realize they believe something that's so crazy, that if you believe that much of it, then you're already bought in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTJQTc-TqpU

the second thing is a fixation on armageddon (maybe owing to larouche's own upbringing as a quaker?). the larouchites predict many catastrophic events, imminent economic collapse and world war III, which they've been predicting since the 70s. the apocalyptic urgency keeps members focused. it's probably not a coincidence this emerged in the 1970s when there were a lot of fears at that time, and it's probably not a coincidence this thread discussing them is appearing in 2022 when there's a lot of existential dread going around.

related to that, they think they're part of an enlightened elite on a mission to save the world from destruction. they're really into classical german idealism and 18th century figures of the enlightenment such as schiller and leibniz who they see in the same tradition going back to ancient times as plato, as opposed to the wicked aristotle which has carried into the present with anglo positivism (they're very anti-british). there's a lot of emphasis on "beauty" and metaphysical aesthetics and classical music and they think all of their enemies are disgusting, evil, ugly and stupid. and as a subsection of that statement, their politics typically take the form of entryism, which i can only imagine as stemming from a belief that they're smarter than other people and everyone else is stupid and can be easily manipulated.

diane sare is running as a larouche independent but they had a long history of doing this in the democratic party and sniping uncontested seats. also doing aggressive stunts, like the recent heckling of members of the squad. that's nothing new. they have a reputation for being "wreckers" in other orgs, hiding who they are, and also attempting to associate themselves with others in a sneaky way as a way of establishing a sense of authority or credibility or implied endorsement that doesn't actually exist. larouche also turned his org into what was apparently a fairly extensive private intelligence gathering operation -- and during the 80s they infiltrated anti-apartheid groups on behalf of the south african government -- and then he went to prison for scamming old people out their money in cold calls.

BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 08:49 on Nov 8, 2022

Bear Retrieval Unit
Nov 5, 2009

Mudslide Experiment
did you know all music is played wrong op?

Cuttlefush
Jan 15, 2014

Gleichheit soll gedeihen

Bear Retrieval Unit posted:

did you know all music is played wrong op?

Larouche, not la roux!

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
also a weird thing i learned, michael hudson (the marxist economist) testified against larouche in the 80s in a fraud case. it's noteworthy because hudson is well known for his critique of american financial imperialism and there are some superficial similarities between their ideas -- larouche was purportedly obsessed with hudson's father and had plagiarized some of his own ideas in the 70s. hudson then lent some money to a larouche publisher for what he thought would be a monograph on economics, but was defrauded, and when he sued to get money back, the larouche organization printed his picture in another publication calling him a KGB agent.

another odd thing is that larouche seemed to target self-hating jews for recruitment, according to hudson. basically children of the diaspora in those days, same as now although the demographics have shifted a bit.

quote:

When Hudson's legal efforts were discussed inside the NCLC, LaRouche Security aide Michelle Steinberg said (according to FBI testimony at her 1986 bail hearing): "Piss on him. gently caress him. That's what he gets for lending us money.

http://larouchewatch.fileferrets.org/larouche-fundraising-scams.htm

quote:

Dear A-list, I met Bill Engdahl around 1980 at LaRouche's EIR offices in New York, when I was trying to find out what they were all about. (Truth-in-advertising: I later went around the United States testifying before grand juries to convict LaRouche and his leading financial fraudsters. He paid Mordedai Levy money to hurt me and Ramsey Clark, which was one reason he was sent up -- to the prison where my father was sent as one of the Minneapolis 17 in 1941. LaRouche had a hero-worship of my father and an obsession with my own background and writings, which is why I looked into just who he was.) At that time Engdahl was a "regular" member, and remained so for nearly two decades. A few years ago he called me and told me he had left. (Many of LaRouche's followers have come to me when they left.) He expressed his growing disgust with LaRouche for the latter's refusal to countenance any ideas not his own or that did not serve his clients. Bill seems seriously to have broken, as have many others who have gone on to successful Wall St. careers, such as David Goldman, Nic "Criton" Zoakis and other loonies whom I suspect have really not changed their colors. But Bill Engdahl does indeed seem to have dropped his connections. I recommended his book to Pluto (my own publisher), and I think his interpretation deserves to be considered. I don't see the ideology-for-sale dirty tricks or misrepresentation that LaRouche typically plays. I do believe in handling all Larouchies and former members at arms length, however. Twenty years is a long time to have spent in the company of psychos. (I'm sending a copy of this to Mr. Engdahl as we've developed a civil correspondence.)

Michael Hudson

[...]

Dear A-List, Regarding the "anti-Semitic" slander, I have an interesting story. Both Dennis King and I tried to get ADL support for our exposure of LaRouche. the ADL refused to do anyithing against LaRouche, because they explained that they agreed with his politics! These were old Schachtmanites who had become ultra-rightists. (I've blocked out the head of their research department's name.) In Dennis's talks with them, they made it clear that they put support of right-wing politics above any concern with anti-Semitism. So of all the arguments against LaRouche, I don't think anti-Semitism should be one of them. Rather, LaRouche cultivated Jewish followers who were breaking away from their parents (usually CP members, I think) and replaced them. Only the Jewish members ever made any Jewish jokes in my presence. If anything, LaRouche had an obsession with the Queen of England. I imagine that when he was along writing at 4 AM he would pace around his desk stamping, muttering, "I am Queen Elizabeth. I am Queen Elizabeth," until he got up enough energy to keep on writing some more of his stream of consciousness. Michael Hudson

https://mailstar.net/China-economic-miracle.html

Gravid Topiary
Feb 16, 2012

larouchians invaded laukraine OP

Lessail
Apr 1, 2011

:cry::cry:
tell me how vgk aren't playing like shit again
:cry::cry:
p.s. help my grapes are so sour!
this will be the next big thing to call people once tankie gets played out

Cuttlefush
Jan 15, 2014

Gleichheit soll gedeihen

Lessail posted:

this will be the next big thing to call people once tankie gets played out

nah

also thank you for digging into the lore and pulling out the fun stuff. that is a lot wackier than I expected

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

Sounds like something a LaRouchite would say.

strange feelings re Daisy
Aug 2, 2000

I can't believe no one has mentioned the triangles yet. Larouchites used to recruit on college campuses all over America using pointless gotcha questions about boxes and triangles and the Pythagorean theorem.

"So you know the application of the Pythagorean theorem but not the proof? Well perhaps your entire life is a lie!"

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



Larouche
Larouche
Larouche is on fire

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001
something about a land bridge

Wraith of J.O.I.
Jan 25, 2012


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aG6MUBAkFQg

Zerg Mans
Oct 19, 2006

not much what's larouchian with you

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

Lessail posted:

this will be the next big thing to call people once tankie gets played out
i literally opened this thread because i was accused of a larouche talk in d&d

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

what if it was zack de la roucha and killing in the name of was about Pythagoras?

Lessail
Apr 1, 2011

:cry::cry:
tell me how vgk aren't playing like shit again
:cry::cry:
p.s. help my grapes are so sour!

A Buttery Pastry posted:

i literally opened this thread because i was accused of a larouche talk in d&d

lol

Cuttlefush
Jan 15, 2014

Gleichheit soll gedeihen
oh no...

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:
admittedly, it was 100% a joke, but irony might soon give way to sincerity

Wraith of J.O.I.
Jan 25, 2012


Lessail posted:

this will be the next big thing to call people once tankie gets played out

apparently a bunch of the people who yelled at AOC about ukraine were larouchies according to a recent trueanon guest who went to a larouche conference in NYC

my dad
Oct 17, 2012

this shall be humorous
There is no combination of words in the English language that you can come up with that will not have its meaning redefined if its starts being too effective in explaining certain things.

For now, Larouchite refers to people in USA who follow politics similar to Lyndon LaRouche, a dude whose ideology was engineered from the get-go to have a glaring weakpoint that consistent reactionaries can use to take over the entire movement if the need arises, and even before that useful to the powers that be since it inevitably brings them into conflict with communists, while not posing a risk of actually building a resilient movement of any sort - again, by design, engineered that way from the start.
Calling someone not from USA a larouchite is meaningless because it's a USA centered ideology at its heart.

What it'll mean tomorrow, your guess is as good as mine.

Lessail
Apr 1, 2011

:cry::cry:
tell me how vgk aren't playing like shit again
:cry::cry:
p.s. help my grapes are so sour!

Wraith of J.O.I. posted:

apparently a bunch of the people who yelled at AOC about ukraine were larouchies according to a recent trueanon guest who went to a larouche conference in NYC

yeah that is what makes me think the term will be repurposed

Pablo Nergigante
Apr 16, 2002

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

(they're very anti-british).

Hmm, might have to check out this LaRouche thing

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

my dad posted:

Calling someone not from USA a larouchite is meaningless because it's a USA centered ideology at its heart.

What it'll mean tomorrow, your guess is as good as mine.
he had some influence with eclectic types outside the U.S. like eneas carneiro in brazil of the PRONA party in the 90s. carneiro was a former socialist who adopted a mix of pro-industry and social conservatism and became a TV demagogue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlmCKQIJzVE

also the beethoven:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12rUpdm5QL4

Fortaleza
Feb 21, 2008

Abraham Simpson was a larouche voter

Random Asshole
Nov 8, 2010

my dad posted:

There is no combination of words in the English language that you can come up with that will not have its meaning redefined if its starts being too effective in explaining certain things.

For now, Larouchite refers to people in USA who follow politics similar to Lyndon LaRouche, a dude whose ideology was engineered from the get-go to have a glaring weakpoint that consistent reactionaries can use to take over the entire movement if the need arises, and even before that useful to the powers that be since it inevitably brings them into conflict with communists, while not posing a risk of actually building a resilient movement of any sort - again, by design, engineered that way from the start.
Calling someone not from USA a larouchite is meaningless because it's a USA centered ideology at its heart.

What it'll mean tomorrow, your guess is as good as mine.

Yeah, I know people call everything and anything these days a CIA op (I'm guilty of this myself), but he had so many connections to the CIA (and the Reagan campaign) that it would be genuinely shocking if he WASN'T a spook. Like, the CIA openly praised and endorsed his private intelligence service when he was fishing for clients, which is pretty loving extraordinary.

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Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

RABBIT RABBIT
RABBIT RABBIT
who is the disco elysium equivalent of larouche or his followers?

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