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YOLOsubmarine posted:Presumably law enforcement is involved because the victims wanted them involved. Is the argument that the DA should decline to pursue the case against the victims wishes even though it clearly meets the definition of assault, or that the victim is being a pussy and needs to rub some dirt on it and move on? ultimately I wish college football didn’t exist so these things wouldn’t happen. then I wish that we had a rehabilitative rather than a punitative justice system. next my argument is that you can describe this as sad without making either of the cases you currently are.
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Waifu Radia posted:ultimately I wish college football didn’t exist so these things wouldn’t happen. then I wish that we had a rehabilitative rather than a punitative justice system. next my argument is that you can describe this as sad without making either of the cases you currently are. Yes, it’s sad, it’s also entirely appropriate they law enforcement got involved. Those aren’t mutually exclusive and in fact correlate quite often.
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Nov 24, 2022 00:10
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YOLOsubmarine posted:I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect people to be able to separate the violence inherent in their profession from general unsanctioned violence, otherwise I owe apologies to a lot of police and military. Yeah I don’t disagree. I guess it doesn’t feel completely black and white for me because of the emotion inherent in competition but yeah there’s not an objective argument against LE being involved.
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Nov 24, 2022 00:14
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You expect to get tackled on the field and you agreed to get tackled. You did not agree to get pounded on in a stadium tunnel with a weapon. That's enough of a distinction for me.
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Nov 24, 2022 00:41
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Sash! posted:You expect to get tackled on the field and you agreed to get tackled. You did not agree to get pounded on in a stadium tunnel with a weapon. That's enough of a distinction for me. I’m definitely overthinking it. I’d make a terrible prosecutor.
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Would you make a good plaintiff's attorney? https://www.al.com/educationlab/202...ll-program.html quote:A five-year-long lawsuit resolved last week when an Alabama jury found that an Auburn professor was unfairly targeted after he complained about the high concentration of athletes in the school’s public administration program.
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Nov 24, 2022 02:18
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I remember when I was looking at postgrad schools and deciding between the MBA and MPA, considering I was going to probably stay in government the rest of my life. I didn't hear a single complementary thing about MPAs in comparison. So I went MBA.
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I just feel very uneasy about involving law enforcement and the full force of the law in a situation like this. I realize this was not on the field, the game was over, and it was in the tunnel but there are very few situations where something that ostensibly takes place on the field/court/ice makes it way into the justice system and the times it has its typically been very very extreme. My hope would be for the 2 teams, the players, and the schools could come to some sort of restorative justice situation rather than possibly saddling a young man with a felony that he will carry. Although that seemed like it was out the window almost immediately as Harbaugh noted that an apology wasn't enough and that he expected criminal charges. Again, completely fine for it to go this route but I felt like the circumstances, the "heated rivalry," etc. But it is what it is. I know not everyone agrees with me and thats fine as well.
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Nov 24, 2022 05:41
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They'll likely end up with pleas deals for misdemeanors and get conmunity service. Can this dumb derail be over?
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Ches Neckbeard posted:They'll likely end up with pleas deals for misdemeanors and get conmunity service. Can this dumb derail be over? Not yet because I want to start my lifelong argument about pleaded vs pled. I am absolutely on team pled. Er to college fooball...in interesting lines this week Texas is -8.5 against Baylor. That seems large to me, Baylor can play a little bit and Texas is always a half second away from imploding.
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Grittybeard posted:Er to college fooball...in interesting lines this week Texas is -8.5 against Baylor. That seems large to me, Baylor can play a little bit and Texas is always a half second away from imploding. It's Texas. Thus there are Texas fans laying money. Of course it's a silly line, it's intent is to profit off of silly people..
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I'm curious what would be the restorative justice outcome to this? Can the players involved unbeat this person?
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Ches Neckbeard posted:They'll likely end up with pleas deals for misdemeanors and get conmunity service. Can this dumb derail be over? only in this situation: we all talk about how much we hate ohio state
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Now I'm no ethics lawyer, but maybe you should look at an ethics policy where all it takes to one weird trick anti nepotism is to simply put on paper they have a different boss despite in all aspects they report directly to the nepotism person both day to day work and long term.
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Nov 24, 2022 10:34
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All I want to know is how a team can be projected to score negative points.
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Good back-to-back posts.
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Grittybeard posted:Not yet because I want to start my lifelong argument about pleaded vs pled. I am absolutely on team pled. Probably because it's @ Texas, that adds, what, 3 - 6 points? Also, it'll probably be raining. Pitt only a 6.5 favorite against Miami is similar but it's @ Miami. I feel like Texas is a harder away game than Miami, but drat that rain, who knows?
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Grittybeard posted:Er to college fooball...in interesting lines this week Texas is -8.5 against Baylor. That seems large to me, Baylor can play a little bit and Texas is always a half second away from imploding. It’s a pretty big line, but we’ve seen a broad range of outcomes from both of these teams. It’s certainly plausible that Baylor comes out flat and hung over from last week and gets blown out of the water, but on the other hand Texas seems capable of laying an egg at any time.
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KKKLIP ART posted:All I want to know is how a team can be projected to score negative points. Through Christ all things are possible.
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downout posted:Probably because it's @ Texas, that adds, what, 3 - 6 points? Also, it'll probably be raining. The general wisdom is home field is worth seven points in NCAA, 3 points in the NFL. So Vegas "thinks" Texas would be a 1.5-point favorite on a neutral field.
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Nov 24, 2022 16:29
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Judgy Fucker posted:The general wisdom is home field is worth seven points in NCAA, 3 points in the NFL. So Vegas "thinks" Texas would be a 1.5-point favorite on a neutral field. Any idea if they adjust those 7 points by team? For example, @Cinci v Tulane versus @Iowa v Nebraska. Seems like Iowa is a tougher place to play than Cincinnati.
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downout posted:Any idea if they adjust those 7 points by team? I don't think it's a hard and fast thing, more like a heuristic. Certain home fields definitely have a bigger advantage than others. Pretty sure the NFL thing is pretty close to actual 3 points, though.
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Judgy Fucker posted:The general wisdom is home field is worth seven points in NCAA, 3 points in the NFL. So Vegas "thinks" Texas would be a 1.5-point favorite on a neutral field. If they’re an 8.5 point favorite at home that means they’re 5-5.5 favorite on a neutral field. They’d be a 1.5 favorite in Waco.
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KKKLIP ART posted:All I want to know is how a team can be projected to score negative points. Defensive touchdowns 
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General Dog posted:If they’re an 8.5 point favorite at home that means they’re 5-5.5 favorite on a neutral field. They’d be a 1.5 favorite in Waco.  Yeah, that’s right.
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General Dog posted:If they’re an 8.5 point favorite at home that means they’re 5-5.5 favorite on a neutral field. They’d be a 1.5 favorite in Waco. So the 6 ~ 7 points is a swing from home to away  i'm learning something new every day!
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Yeah when I guess what the line is going to be, I picture the teams playing in a featureless void in my mind’s eye and then tack on 3.5 points to the team that’s hosting.
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Yeah generally you work who's house it's at into the lines although it's not as hard and fast as "its at Texas, they lay 3 more" With that said Texas by slightly under a TD on a neutral field feels about right to me actually at this point in the season my Texas heuristic is "could Bijan Robinson beat this team single-handedly" and while Baylor has a decent rush D, I can still see it happening
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I'm surprised that Tennessee is still a 14 point favorite with Hooker out
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fast cars loose anus posted:Yeah generally you work who's house it's at into the lines although it's not as hard and fast as "its at Texas, they lay 3 more" I feel like TCU had the blueprint, which is pretty obvious, but just stack the box. A lot of the reason Texas is a bad second-half team is because so many schools have insisted on seeing it for themselves that Bijan can run for 200 yards and 3 TDs in the first half alone, and then they go full-out against the run in the second half. TCU was the only team this year to just start out with a goal-line defense and shut us the gently caress down from the start. So Baylor's got a good run D, if they stack the box from the start, they can win.
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Komet posted:I'm surprised that Tennessee is still a 14 point favorite with Hooker out Vandy have a winning streak now, but its still Vandy Judgy Fucker posted:The general wisdom is home field is worth seven points in NCAA, 3 points in the NFL. So Vegas "thinks" Texas would be a 1.5-point favorite on a neutral field. I thought home field was 3 in NCAA like the NFL. Huh
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Any guesses what is going to come of this in the end (Jeremy Pruitt deceived us: Tennessee responds to NCAA notice of allegations): https://www.knoxnews.com/story/spor...or/10285139002/ Komet posted:I'm surprised that Tennessee is still a 14 point favorite with Hooker out Tennessee is still ranked number 1 in total offense and has a lot of talent (the WRs are some of the best in nation). Vandy is 95th in total offense, but I am sure we will make them look better than that. Who knows which D for Tennessee is going to show? The one from last week or the one from the UK game. Also, Milton's stats for the year during garbage time: 23 of 33 for 573 yards. 69.7 completion percentage 17.4 yards average 6 TDS and 0 INT 0 sacks Rushed 7 times for 72 yards 10.3 yards per carry Based on all that I can see why they are still a 14 point favorite. Still the question is can Milton play like that as a starter or is it still old Milton after almost 2 years of being a back-up to Hooker? The one good thing out of this whole thing is we don't have to wait until 2023 to find out now.
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Lol that it was corrected to being a CFA bags from McDonald’s bags
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A chik fil a bag full of cash is the most SEC thing ever
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Komet posted:A chik fil a bag full of cash is the most SEC thing ever
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With NIL I can't get worked up about bag men.
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LLCoolJD posted:With NIL I can't get worked up about bag men. It is pretty funny hearing the number thrown out there for infractions was like $60k after seeing what these kids are pulling down with NIL.
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I missed the talk about the MSU guys but they will all plead out to probation if they don't have prior crimes as adults, which I'm assuming they don't. The felony charge will get chopped to misdemeanor and that kid might get a month of a suspended sentence. His career is over, the other guys who knows.
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NIL is cool and good but also these kids are actual legal adults whose unpaid labor enriches the already wealthy. Pruitt sucks and broke rules, and fine, whatever, but not one active player in any NCAAF program in the country ought to be going without.
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