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GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

anime is not good
not to take us back to the dark days of meme stocks, but i'm idly wondering if there's still room for a amc/ape arbitrage. even after today's pop, there's still quite the spread, and i don't see how the ape shares are materially different from the common stock besides being more obviously bullshit

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GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

anime is not good
i'm kind of scratching my head over so many depositers at svb being way over the fdic limits. i've only ever worked in small business and government roles, is it really that common for corporations to be sitting on huge piles of actual cash at one institution? i thought instruments like commercial paper existed to keep exactly that from happening

GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

anime is not good
pretty sure the feds keep collecting on the loans they take over

GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

anime is not good

Tokyo Sex Whale posted:

WTF

Like did they just leave $500 million in a checking account? Like if you need that much cash on hand shouldn't it be sweeping in and out of a MMF or something? Why do they even need that much cash?

yeah, i really don't get it per my earlier post. my naive assumption was that most working capital would be in ultra short duration treasuries, commercial paper, etc. it just feels wild that companies are sitting on hundreds of millions in straight up cash

GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

anime is not good

wait, walk me through this because i don't trade options. did robin hood allow someone to set up a put without owning the underlying shares, presumably paying the associated premiums, but won't let them exercise the option? is trading in sbny completely halted or could they offer to pay someone pennies on the dollar for the necessary shares to exercise the option?

if so, it's wild that robinhood will happily let you place an option that violates their internal rules to exercise

GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

anime is not good
this only builds up my naive lay opinion that complex option trades are scary because counter party risks seem to pop up at every turn

GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

anime is not good
time to find out if this is the the jp morgan recapitalization of 1907 or 1929 (i kid...probably)

kind of wild that in the background of this developing bank liquidity crisis the us debt ceiling clock is quietly ticking down without much visible movement towards a resolution. i think the odds of either turning out catastrophically bad are rather low, but hoooo boy if i'm wrong

GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

anime is not good
there's also concern about a moral hazard in the air, what kind of risk taking would be encouraged if every deposit at every bank was protected. i know the euro banking regulatory bodies are all rolling their eyes because this contradicts previous fed talking points, yellen probably doesn't want to produce a soundbite that can be shown to directly contradict the policy she was espousing when she was on the fed board/chairwoman. leave some fig leaf of plausible deniability to keep banks on their toes and save faces on the abrupt turn around

GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

anime is not good

gay picnic defence posted:

Did that happen too quickly for it to create too much drawn out negativity?

Also I guess it didn't really come with the same "oh poo poo the entire financial system is crumbling" that the GFC did.

I wonder if the current negative sentiment is along existential lines like the GFC or more akin to whinging that the Fed is making number sad by raising rates.

the sp500 didn't hit the bottom of the dot com bubble poppinguntil 2003, it was a rather drawn out slide down.

GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

anime is not good

pseudanonymous posted:

Foreign sovereign funds would inversely correlate in this instance, their historical performance is irrelevant it’s based on systemic risk but in this instance the idiosyncratic risk applying to treasuries would mean they’d decouple. Long term 1-3 new treasury type sources would probably emerge snd the calculation for the risk free rate for the CAPM model would probably change.

eh, maybe, but the having the gold standard, bed rock sovereign borrower default might be enough to scare everyone out of any sovereign debt. there's a chance no one cares that it's the us government shooting itself in the foot, at the end of the day if you can't trust a t-bill, what can you trust

frankly i think in a scenario in which the us defaults there's a chance we get an extreme credit crunch in the vein of the great depression. in that historical case cash benefitted from severe deflation

GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

anime is not good
people were posting their positions in the thread, it was kind of a bandwagon effect. the tally came from counting through posts. the counted assumed that no sold out of their position unless they announced it, and that everyone was telling the truth about how many shares they bought, so the count should be take with a grain of salt

GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

anime is not good
was it ever made clear how and why hertz stockholders were able to get such a good deal out of the bankruptcy sale? i remember the lead up, and the shock when naive retail investors weren't completely hosed, but i can't find any good explanations for what happened

GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

anime is not good

drk posted:

Anyone ever buy individual corporate bonds?

With 30-year yields on A rated companies over 5%, theres potentially a lot of money to be made in the next year or two if rates come down.

Or, it could blow up in my face (though provided the company doesnt go bust, earning 5+% coupons for 30 years isnt the worst outcome).

i don't really pay much attention to the corporate bond space, but isn't one of the downsides to those long bonds that they're typically callable?

GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

anime is not good

drk posted:

Here's a slice of what I'm looking at. They are all callable, but only 6 months before maturity



based on only my gut, the utilities seem like the most solid as far as credit risk goes. though now that i think about it sce hasn't had the wildfire liabilities that have pounded pg&e (less massive forests and bone dry forests for lines to run through), but who knows what catastrophic climate change related liabilities could pop up over the next 30 years

GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

anime is not good

Leperflesh posted:

I may be talking out of my rear end here but I think even if you're buying senior notes (e.g., they get paid out first in a bankruptcy), a company could subsequently issue even-more-senior debt just by saying so and your only recourse is to sell what you've got if you don't agree with that.

i don't think it's quite as easy as just declaring it, but it is definitely possible especially if the debtor can get some of their major bond holders on board

GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

anime is not good
wasn't that guys whole schtick minting spacs?

GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

anime is not good
even meme stocks must bow to the unassailable wisdom that is "sell in may and go away"

GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

anime is not good

Subvisual Haze posted:

I've never really heard a reasonable sounding explanation why stocks tend to dip in the summer. I have noticed the pattern though.

and googling the phrase yields like 20 straight variations of "Why experts say you shouldn't sell in May", which makes me think the rule must in fact be true.

oh sorry, i was joking. "sell in may and go away" is meaningless, and i was making fun of it and meme stocks in general

GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

anime is not good
huh hadn't seen this, apparently robinhood is going to offer 24/5 trading

makes sense, the most lucrative casinos are all open 24 hours a day. why turn away sleep deprived retail traders?

GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

anime is not good
a new spac offering in the year of our lord 2023? someone missed the memo about the current interest rate

GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

anime is not good

hot cocoa on the couch posted:

it's hard to overstate how revolutionary such a material would be. basically all methods of power storage and distribution could be changed by such a technology. nearly anything electrical would be "the lowest hanging fruit". i'm pretty skeptical.

yeah, but the transition for infrastructure would have huge capital outlays in a way that reminds me of early railroad or fiber efforts. unless there is an absolutely massive public to private subsidy, it seems like at least on the utility side like one of those revolutions that end up with initial investors losing a bunch of money to provide beneficial infrastructure to non-investors

GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

anime is not good
on the other hand, you could ignore trying to puzzle out fundamentals and just go straight to buzzwords. quantum computing is sexy, superconducting quantum computing might just be about to get even sexier. you find someone promising ai powered by superconducting quantum computing and you can probably retire early

GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

anime is not good
it seems like both prices are down so much since the apes were issued that almost no one will win on the earlier arbitrage between the share prices. one of those trades were your grand thesis could have been right but smaller details and luck of timing still screw you over

GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

anime is not good

Subvisual Haze posted:

The fees and expenses tend to be higher to achieve this and generally make these sort of funds a bad idea to hold long-term.

not only are fees high, there is an inherent volatility drag to highly leveraged products. taking compounding daily leveraged losses means that you can lose money even over periods were the underlying index is net positive. these products are intended for intraday trading and shouldn't even be held overnight

GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

anime is not good
always curious with a broader sector bet how you time your exit. my naive assumption is that the electric infrastructure build out is going to end up resembling the railroad or telecom boom and bust, where a good exit is critical because over the long term it's a boring utility that was probably overbuilt at its peak

GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

anime is not good

Femtosecond posted:

boy this market sure is booming and we haven't even started to cut rates yet...

it's priced in op

GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

anime is not good
or the fed delays because fundamentals remain stronger than expected and everything drops for a week. womp womp

GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

anime is not good
great news stock thread, pump and dumps are legal now!

https://assets.bwbx.io/documents/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/rmMOgPQgozIw/v0

let the penny stock recommendations flow!

GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

anime is not good
as a non-options trader, i'm trying to make sure i understand this. is the implication that the premium for a contract to possibly sell a share at $85 any time before september is $63.85, so you'd need to be able to buy a share at $21.67 or lower to account for the premium?

GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

anime is not good

Canine Blues Arooo posted:

I saw it's rise and balance sheet and basically said, 'Oh, easy money, right here!'



And so did everyone else at the same time.

I've never in my life ever seen contract premiums like this before. That's the most obvious pump n dump there ever was.

i went back to this post to double check the premiums because i was sure at this point puts on djt had to be itm, but lol not yet

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GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

anime is not good
setting aside the fundamentals of selling weed, medmen ipo's in 2018, opening up flagship stores in expensive locations. stock has huge pop in 2018, the company starts expanding to dozens of locations, not just leasing but buying, unsuccessfully tries to buy its biggest competitor. this requires intense capitalization with hundreds of millions in loans taken out in 2019. the weed mini-bubble pops, and suddenly the company is way over levered. spends 33% of its entire lifetime as a public company selling off assets to try to figure out a way to service debt

this is a familiar story of expanding too quickly and misjudging the value of being a first mover, has nothing to do with the actual mechanics of selling weed

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