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As many know, Elon Musk purchased Twitter and as of late has opened the floodgates for right wing reactionaries who were previously banned to come flooding back into Twitter. This has been seen as a virtual "reprisal" of sorts, where the people who thought they were unjustly kicked off Twitter not only got to come back, but they are reveling in smug glee about leftists getting kicked off/driven out of Twitter. Not surprisingly the nonexistent moderation and cultural shift in demographics have seen some stark changes on Twitter. Whereas before I'd see some pretty intense back and forth in threads, it's shifted in the direction of Facebook in tone: There's far more echo chambers now than before. Now I totally get it didn't take Musk taking over Twitter for people to get rape threats, death threats, unsolicited dick pics, etc. But it has gotten even more ridiculously polarized than even before. And much like it's Facebook predecessor it seems to fall into the same disingenuous patterns. The "I'm not touching you!" discourse" - So one thing people praise SA for among online communities is the understanding that moderation has to have nuance to it. The description people gave to me about this is that even if you have 500 explicit rules for behavior people will deliberately skate around them and rules lawyer their way into trolling. So moderation has to look at intent, and since right wing reactionaries operate in bad faith the only way to really get rid of them is to cut through their bullshit. With the changes to Twitter, it has allowed the proliferation of immense numbers of bad faith posting, but paradoxically it seems like they wouldn't be very well equipped to fight back. You see this quite a bit with arguments about the Colorado Springs shooting in particular. They'll all but directly say that the victims had it coming, but when you call them out on it they'll start sea lioning about you needing to prove they posted something direct about it. Ditto for throwing the "groomer" phrase around. They'll mean it in a very specific way, and when you try to pin them down about it they'll dance away like a bunch of eye floaties in your vision. One thing I've also been observing here is what happens if you do the same thing right back at them. It turns out they are typically unaware of what is going on and get caught in a "loop" when that happens. The Internet Troll - Right wing social media discourse is by and large driven by trolling, particularly as of late. It's not so much about proving themselves right or coming up with productive solutions but instead "owning the libs". A lot of the toxic masculinity wrapped up in conservatism gets projected online. This manifests as a pattern where caring about others, empathy, vulnerability, uncertainty, etc are seen as weakness and attacked. Currently a common target has been people upset that Musk bought Twitter. These people get portrayed as weak cowards, unjustly protected by Twitter's previous administration and now fair game. I definitely saw this pattern play out early on in SA as well-simply caring about, well anything would get you mercilessly mocked. Strength was associated with both apathy and misanthropy. That said, I find conservatives themselves pretty quick to call others bots and trolls (similar to the NPC meme a while back). They can be surprisingly thin skinned as well. I noticed that being suitably annoying and persistent they can start whining that you are harassing them, and block/mute you. Pronouns in bio- This is another puzzling and annoying thing I saw happen over the past few years on Twitter. If a person has pronouns listed in their bio there's almost a race to see who can dismiss them for it. It's such a weak, played out dig at someone. Now mind you I'm not shocked at how cruel and crass people can be online but rather... Disappointed in how uncreative they are about it. How do they expect you to respond to this? The same way we respond to a skunk flipping it's tail up menacingly?
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And yes, before anyone brings it up I'm aware of thequote:"Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past." Like sometimes the mask slips and you see some sincere feelings from them. I'm curious about what it takes to get this out of them.
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Nov 28, 2022 00:25
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lobster shirt posted:my favorite right wing culture is them posting pictures of the little baby groyper and the aspergers girl going on dates That is so weird. Isn't the lady supposed to be some actual person on the internet who is obsessed neurodivergent fascist twelve year olds?
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Nov 28, 2022 22:12
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:i believe in the power of immanent critique, to be presuppositionless and let things be their own undoing. BrutalistMcDonalds posted:see, here, the reason they're like this is because musk's right-wing acolytes are not as successful as they think they should be according to twitter's own logic. they're not getting as much engagement as they think they should, and other people on the site aren't seeing their hilarious m'lady tweets which obviously (to them) deserve to be popular. and it's all because of a conspiracy by pink-haired lesbians who throttled them -- and now they're throwing them off! but this whole time they've taken those metrics as the standard of success more seriously than anyone else.
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Nov 29, 2022 15:51
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As some time has passed since Musk took over Twitter, I'm curious how people have observed things evolving. Is it typical of right wing online discourse or something new? How differently do right wingers behave in mixed spaces vs echo chambers? How quick are they to turn on one another when there's no more libs to trigger?
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Jan 14, 2023 07:35
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Like this crazy person? https://twitter.com/AydinPaladin/status/1611566085714624515?t=ukpMSRPn2CXJ--2-62HtRA&s=19
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https://twitter.com/GPrime85/status/1617854441646092290?t=SbIWLSvQByzSSP0c9dJpGw&s=19 This is a tactic I've seen conservatives do lately? Well not really lately, pretty much forever I guess. A gay couple has been molesting kids they adopted, and helped support the narrative the right has about gay people and children. There's two elements to this: The first is the very strong implication that gay men are more likely to molest children. In addition to being naked homophobia, I think chuds tend to assume that ANY man that would molest or rape another male must be gay. So they follow this simplistic chain of logic: a man molesting a boy is gay, therefore men sexually attracted to men will want to molest boys, therefore a child molestor who has male victims MUST secretly be gay. The second element is the implication of the LGBT community as a whole. Explicitly accusing all gay men of being child molestors might break decorum. It actually serves them better to all but suggest this, with the caveat that "sure, not EVERY gay man molest children, but if you're among those that don't then you should be the FIRST to condemn the ones that do!". This allows them to drag down other groups of people into the 'problem'. "As if it were bad enough that 99% of gay men are molesting boys nonstop the rest of the alphabet mafia are letting it happen!". Is there a concise term for when chuds conflate this?
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The recent Eliza Bleu "scandal" is an interesting look at right wing group think. Many are focusing on how she herself was a charlatan and how people are finally realizing that. But more interestingly is the reactions themselves. Eliza Bleu came into right wing discourse largely last year when Elon Musk bought Twitter. For a few years she had poised herself as an anti human trafficking/child abuse advocate. In order to suck up to Musk, she helped reinforce the claim that pre Musk, Twitter had a big problem with CSEC. But post takeover, all that magically went away. This was politically useful for Musk and a lot of conservatives on Twitter. For those that thought they were unfairly "censored", this was ammunition that Twitter and the government were perpetuating the problem of child porn on Twitter, and worked hard to merge both concepts. Eliza Bleu was, of course, a fraud. But ironically being a fraud wasn't what brought her down! It was how she reacted to it. Years ago she had been in a World star music video, during the time she had claimed to have been trafficked. Up to this point she could have mimicked Amouranth's claims that while she was doing these things it was under duress and under the orders of an abusive controlling partner/pimp/trafficker/etc. People would still be sympathetic because they'd be focusing on what she's saying and doing now, not what she did. But she made a critical mistake, which is to react angrily at people looking up the video and report them to YouTube (for copyright violation? Revenge porn rules? This is where it gets weird). A few right wing internet D listers got suspended/banned including the Quartering because they linked the music video. And getting them banned is what did her in. Because now she's part of cancel culture. Now she's part of the growing skepticism reactionaries are having that New Twitter isn't all that great, what with the shadowbannings and anemic follower counts and whatnot. And this is where they turned on her, and also turned on anyone who tried to defend her. Anyone that backed her up was also part of the problem and could be blamed on letting it get to this point all along. Tim Pool had to issue a weird apology on Twitter for siding with Eliza and inviting her on his podcast, and now the inner misogyny of the right is open full blast as they've concluded that she's not an advocate, she's not helping Twitter be better and more free-to them she's nothing but a clout chasing whore.
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AnimeIsTrash posted:The topic is fine, it's that OP and others are people who have driven themselves schizophrenic freaking out at random right wingers on twitter. So there is no point in earnest discussion. I don't think it wise to dismiss the small number of people saying the quiet part out loud. Understanding the mechanisms in which they launder these ideas is critical to preventing further harm. I think a nuanced discussion can be had about it here. There's a significant amount of right wing discourse that wants to paint their detractors as schizophrenic and paranoid. It intimidates leftists into either being silent or simply avoid the discussion altogether, which just cedes that space to the right.
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Feb 15, 2023 13:24
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There's also a lot to be said about how many of these right wing ideologues are failed artists. It seems to clash with a lot of other ideas they embrace. A lot of them don't value art as a whole-it's not tangible or productive enough for them, and more often than not a decadent form of degeneracy that can only exist in an umbrella of entitlement and privilege. Is it just sour grapes? It's kind of similar to the "what if Hitler was a successful artist" thought exercises in a way. And besides just high profile examples like Mike Rowe there's plenty of terminally online examples as well-James O'Keefe being a wannabe musical theater performer, and even this Catturd fella on Twitter was a mediocre buttrock musician before becoming a Divorced Man Internet Troll. Some people would argue that these folks would be chuds either way, since there's plenty of successful artists that are still chuds. But it's hard to tell what path people might take. Like I've said before, some people change their outlook when circumstances change, but others don't.
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Feb 16, 2023 13:46
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Weka posted:Unpacking right wing online culture and communication on social media Thank you for contributing actual meaningful content in the thread!
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I'm curious what the terminal state of Twitter will be as it gets further and further radicalized. As time goes by it gets more right wing, more scammy, and more of an echo chamber. Where's the endpoint of this trajectory? I've been extremely fascinated by this transition.
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Weka posted:I think it's a you problem. My twitter feed is half people designated as terrorists by the USA. Like dudes leading Iraqi PMF groups. You think so? I don't feel crazy to opine that Twitter was considerably better before Musk took over. A ton of left leaning Accts were either banned outright or left in disgust.
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Jan 27, 2024 23:29
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Some may disagree, but I feel that mockery and ostracism had a more powerful impact on reactionaries than people give credit for. We can't always rely on deplatformimg people but I noted that reactionaries are notoriously thin skinned. There's a great poster, Grovelord Neato, who managed to get one of these chuds incredibly worked up rather effortlessly. I feel like the more people like him on Twitter the less power reactionaries have since they're always proverbially looking over their shoulder. Even today with their little echo chamber they'll still censor a lot of their slurs which indicates they are not 100% comfortable with ruling the discourse,
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Weka posted:While twitter may be American owned and Americans may be the single largest national demographic, only about 27% of twitter users are American, it is a global platform. Chad Loder and Vishal Singh, to name a few. When Elon Musk took over many prominent alt right accounts basically sicced Musk on these antifascist journalists to get them banned in retaliation for their journalism. The other issue was the change to verification, which became a pay-to-play signal boost. A lot of formerly verified leftist accounts didn't want to pay Musk on principle but the alt right types that had been formerly banned were very enthusiastic about signing up. This created a knock on effect where leftist accounts were indirectly deplatformed as a result of this policy. And in spite of the updated ToS, it is rather unclear of just what will get a user banned on Twitter.
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Pretty sure it's a different Chad Loder. I was sad to see him go, he posted a lot about what was happening during the George Floyd protests and stuff. There's still a few folks like this still going strong on Twitter but they are few and far between.
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The issue is the obvious inconsistency in moderation based on political ideology. Of course reactionaries will claim they have been the ones picked on the whole time but this isn't really the case. Chaya Raichik was a perfect example, as there were explicit instructions not to ban her permanently. https://slate.com/technology/2022/12/twitter-files-bari-weiss-libsoftik-elon-musk.html quote:Based on information Weiss herself has shared, the company directed moderators never to take any action in regard to the high-profile account, instead elevating every issue to the highest levels of management. This preferential treatment of Libs of TikTok, while not acknowledged by [Bari] Weiss, is concerning. It implies that instead of placing the repeatedly banned account on a short leash, in light of its connection to real-world violent acts, ordinary moderators were unable to ensure that Libs of TikTok followed Twitter’s policies at all. Theres also Dom Lucre, who posted CSAM content on Twitter (presumably to condemn it). He was initially banned on Twitter but later brought back by Musk. If Elon Musk had been acting in good faith then at the very least some of the prominent far left accounts wouldn't have been banned or driven off. But his own actions contradict his claims for a desire for a free marketplace of ideas.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:It's completely standard for conservatives to scream bloody murder about being censored and silenced while being obviously favoured by the media desperate to be 'bipartisan' while leftists are suppressed at every level. Every time social media bedgrudgingly bans open Nazis they ban random leftists for 'balance'. It's a great trick, it works every time.  about getting shadowbanned. There's really not any consequences to throwing every slur in the book yet they still write things like p*d0fyl*z for "pedophiles". For a while there was similar paranoia that ending up on too many blocklists can also result in reduced exposure s and they were whining how those triggered leftists were blocking too many of them. Which got me wondering what kind of anarchy would result in the block function getting disabled for say, a week.
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It's pretty weird to see this account criticize the other like that considering they seem to be putting themselves on the same side of this argument. There's also some self awareness in the replies that point out that so much of that content is just pushing this sense of impotent helplessness. https://twitter.com/eyeslasho/status/1752695874025611380?t=PWvHHXkjIaB_xKYoXuc7AA&s=19 Furthermore, what evidence is there that a lack of cash bail someone facilitates violent crime?
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My sentiments exactly. Props to this guy https://twitter.com/whstancil/status/1752876497935769639?t=0aTtgU0Bb3VgSr6WFj1v0w&s=19
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Dang, looks like Twitter is finally imploding. It's almost as if you can't be some skull caliper Just Asking Questions Guy anymore without a bunch of wingnuts barging into the discussion rambling about Jews and stuff. https://twitter.com/whstancil/status/1753396646371545276?t=k4lVOyvTuLuHRwLB-dCzEQ&s=19
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Weka posted:Panfilo, do you see this poo poo naturally or do you rely on stancil for your hate views?
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https://twitter.com/Devon_Eriksen_/status/1754902029883809838?t=4O6yir7h0uHEh046lq44cw&s=19quote:Classical liberal societies are hackable because they tend to set higher and higher values on human life and safety over time.
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FirstnameLastname posted:they want other people who look like them to have a reputation as really scary bc theyre afraid of ppl who look different ans are little babies Yeah that's true. You see them say stuff like "these commies don't get away with that in my neighborhood". But they never actually elaborate what they are doing to people who glue their hands to the street. Lots of tough talk about running them over and stuff but very little action.
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Fish of hemp posted:If you block a road in Potatoville, Idaho, who would notice? The guy whose been angrily driving around the past four years HOPING he'll get to confront someone who glued her hands to the street or chucked paint on some confederate statue.
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Facebook seems to prove this theory incorrect. https://twitter.com/cremieuxrecueil/status/1757871861877145645?t=c8fWCYuWqAdyQBGQB6gPBQ&s=19 quote:The Huffington Post comments section had three phases. A lack of anonymity didn't breed civility in this case, so I don't think it makes much of a difference. In spite of all the fearmongering about "Cancel culture" most conservatives don't really face any consequences for this kind of behavior.
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So is it still an inside job or not?
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mcmagic posted:It's incredible that there exists brains that are this smooth I guess this was in response to some weird fundraiser a school had? Something I noticed about the Chaya Raichiks of the discourse is they must be spending thousands of hours combing the internet for something, anything that feeds into their rage bait narrative. It's the same with the kitty litter thing, how long did it take them to dig up the fact that schools would use this as an emergency toilet in lockdowns and twist it into some furry inclusivity thing?
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This is another example of how reactionary belief is centered on this idea that leftists hate beauty. https://twitter.com/FromKulak/status/1766133198038184028?t=Dpqx7A_5u41vIkNOgJ7gjw&s=19 Conservatives just minding their own business building civilization while leftists are too busy stomping on flowers to notice, apparently.
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Pretty good breakdown of those statue pfp accounts on Twitter https://twitter.com/waitmanb/status/1780170180045254908?t=jqcDcuLlvtzWoLqLFS-DuA&s=19 Culture critic has a million followers and regularly laments the current state of art and architecture. Stuff like this seems to give reactionaries a cover for their terrible views, which I assume is intentional. Make reactionary right wing content coded to benign things, point and laugh when people call the "OK" hand sign 'fascist'.
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Fish of hemp posted:Is there a screenshot or threadroll some where? 
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You think this guy is hard right? That's why all the Pepe avatar idiots are flipping out at him, because he's so conservative? https://twitter.com/waitmanb/status/1780359582415454535?t=4_duMR8ocqMOR5VjUoBaRA&s=19
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tristeham posted:ukraine flag means fascist op Is this some kind of Pronouns in Bio dismissive nonsense?
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Vomik posted:wait a minute is your pfp a statue? I should have specified Greco Roman statue pfps. Mine is a hideous sculpture of Cristiano Ronaldo, there's a difference.
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Been following the protests this past week on Twitter and observing conservative reactions. There's an interesting schism going on because some of them just really hate Jews so the idea that "dirty" leftists are fighting with Jewish students is amusing to them. They're imploring other conservatives not to intervene because they're hoping these protests alienate Jews from leftists and collectively weaken their enemies. Still others simply see satisfaction in leftists being the target of violence. It's similar to their takes on the George Floyd protests; the protestors are dum dums who don't know what they're protesting, they couldn't find Israel and Gaza on a map, they're simultaneously poor and rich, entitled, gonna get away with everything yet gonna be in jail forever, etc etc. People have been cheering on 'frat boys' attacking protestors and I guess it's just a new iteration of proud boys in a way, a group that serves as a stand in for the wishful thinking of reactionary viewers in the peanut gallery. They wish so badly to be among those who get to crack some skulls but since they themselves don't have the actual resolve they have to experience it vicariously by those undaunted by consequences.
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