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During the first wave of covid lockdowns I came to realize I am really loving stupid so I should probably start reading again. It's pretty boring reading a book and not discussing it with anyone else and I tend to miss things that other people don't. I was thinking we could do a monthly book club, where we all read a book and talk about it. We can split it up by chapters, or just talk about it in it's entirety towards the end of the month. Since it's the start of the month, and holidays are just around the corner we can start with something "short" like Black Skin, White Masks January - Black Skin White Masks Feburary - Neo-Colonialism, the Last Stage of imperialism March - Capitalist Realism April - Art and the Working Class AnimeIsTrash has issued a correction as of 02:26 on Apr 6, 2023 |
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reserved
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I aint readin poo poo you dork
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i will read
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Brave new world by the mescaline guy please
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for a nice short read I highly suggest The Pillowman by Martin McDonagh edit: it's very socialist, in a sense Filthy Hans has issued a correction as of 02:20 on Dec 2, 2022 |
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Im a big fan of I love you to the moon and back. https://a.co/6cysual really change my perspective on things
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Book tip: you can listen to audiobooks during your entire work shift and get through like 3 books a week . You can get audiobooks for free through a library
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AnimeIsTrash posted:During the first wave of covid lockdowns I came to realize I am really loving stupid so I should probably start reading again. It's pretty boring reading a book and not discussing it with anyone else and I tend to miss things that other people don't. I was thinking we could do a monthly book club, where we all read a book and talk about it. We can split it up by chapters, or just talk about it in it's entirety towards the end of the month. what if we all read a different book and give a book report
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sounds good to me OP. black skin white masks seems interesting i've been reading Studs Terkel's Hard Times which is a collection of oral interviews and recounts of the great depression. some good stuff and some guys are very cspam, but i don't know if it's really something worth discussing quote:Judge Samuel A. Heller Xaris has issued a correction as of 03:06 on Dec 2, 2022 |
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everyone should read blackshirts and reds by michael parenti. i've posted quotes from it elsewhere life under communism, warts and all quote:We have been taught that people living under communism suffer from "the totalitarian control over every aspect oflife," as Time magazine (5/27/96) still tells us. Talking to the people themselves, one found that they complained less about overbearing control than about the absence of responsible control. quote:There was the manager who regularly pilfered the till, the workers who filched foodstuffs and goods from state stores or supplies from factories in order to service private homes for personal gain, the peasants on collective farms who stripped parts from tractors to sell them on the black market, the director who accepted bribes to place people at the top of a waiting list to buy cars, and the farmers who hoarded livestock which they sold to townspeople at three times the government's low procurement price. All this was hardly the behavior of people trembling under a totalitarian rule of terror. quote:Not surprisingly, work discipline left much to be desired. There was the clerk who chatted endlessly with a friend on the telephone while a long line of people waited resentfully for service, the two workers who took three days to paint a hotel wall that should have taken a few hours, the many who would walk off their jobs to go shopping. quote:If fired, an individual had a constitutional guarantee to another job and seldom had any difficulty finding one. The labor market was a seller's market. Workers did not fe ar losing their jobs but managers fe ared losing their best workers and sometimes overpaid them to prevent them from leaving. quote:Communist economies had a kind of Wonderland quality in that " prices seldom bore any relation to actual cost or value. Many expen-sive services were provided almost entirely free, such as education, medical care, and most recreational, sporting, and cultural events. Housing, transportation, utilities, and basic foods were heavily subsidized. quote:The upheavals in Eastern Europe did not constitute a defeat for socialism because socialism never existed in those countries, according to some U.S. leftists. They say that the communist states offered nothing more than bureaucratic, one-party "state capitalism" or some such thing. Whether we call the former communist countries "socialist" is a matter of definition. Suffice it to say, they constituted something different from what existed in the profit-driven capitalist world-as the capitalists themselves were not slow to recognize. First, in communist countries there was less economic inequality than under capitalism. The perks enjoyed by party and government elites were modest by corporate CEO standards in the West, as were their personal incomes and life styles. Soviet leaders like Yu ri Andropov and Leonid Brezhnev lived not in lavishly appointed mansions like the White House, but in relatively large apartments in a housing project near the Kremlin set aside for government leaders. They had limousines at their disposal (like most other heads of state) and access to large dachas where they entertained visiting dignitaries. But they had none of the immense personal wealth that most U.S. leaders possess. The "lavish life" enjoyed by East Germany's party leaders, as widely publicized in the U.S. press, included a $725 yearly allowance in hard currency, and housing in an exclusive settlement on the outskirts of Berlin that sported a sauna, an indoor pool, and a fitness center shared by all the residents. They also could shop in stores that carried Western goods such as bananas, jeans, and Japanese electronics. The U.S. press never pointed out that ordinary East Germans had access to public pools and gyms and could buy jeans and electronics (though usually not of the imported variety) . Nor was the "lavish" consumption enjoyed by East German leaders contrasted to the truly opulent life style enjoyed by the Western plutocracy. Second, in communist countries, productive forces were not organized for capital gain and private enrichment; public ownership of the means of production supplanted private ownership. Individuals could not hire other people and accumulate great personal wealth fro m their labor. Again, compared to Western standards, differences in earnings and savings among the populace were generally modest. The income spread between highest and lowest earners in the Soviet Union was about five to one. In the United States, the spread in yearly income between the top multibillionaires and the working poor is more like 10,000 to 1. life after quote:Most people living under socialism had little understanding of capitalism in practice. Workers interviewed in Poland believed that if their factory were to be closed down in the transition to the free market, "the state will find us some other work" (New Yorker, 11/ 13/89). They thought they would have it both ways. In the Soviet Union, many who argued for privatization also expected the government to continue providing them with collective benefits and subsidies. quote:They discovered they could no longer leave their jobs during the day to go shopping, that their employers provided no company doctor when they fe ll ill on the job, that they were subject to severe reprimands when tardy, that they could not walk the streets and parks late at night without fear, that they might not be able to afford medical services for their family or college tuition for their children, and that they had no guarantee of a job and might experience unemployment at any time.
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SorePotato posted:Book tip: you can listen to audiobooks during your entire work shift and get through like 3 books a week . You can get audiobooks for free through torrents
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I read this book "You Can't Win" about a hobo, that was pretty good. might read that one again.
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audiobooks are nice but i feel like i get more out of a book if im sitting and reading things. you can easily pause and reread stuff or flip back and forth to connect thoughts easier and you dont have other things to distract you as much. im reading a tome about the biography of the romanov dynasty and its been really helpful to have a reading spot set aside so i can focus entirely on the stuff; seeing some name or event and being able to set the book down and look up some additional details to help connect stuff together in my head and poo poo. or to just lean back and stare at some burning candle as i contemplate the idea of a monarch directed wedding between a man forced to behave as a chicken for decades, and the ugliest woman the monarch could find, at an ice palace where the bride and groom were locked in an icy tomb and expected to freeze to death, all done because the emperess thought it would be funny Tiler Kiwi has issued a correction as of 03:30 on Dec 2, 2022 |
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I like audiobooks for my falling asleep noise. Have one called SPQR going about the Roman Empire that I make it about 20 minutes a night through before passing out. I miss some things sure but it's not like... critical information. It's just neat poo poo to have in my brain
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# ? Dec 2, 2022 03:29 |
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Secrets of the Great Pyramid by Peter Tompkins is a really good, ISBN 0060143274. Definitely do not go somewhere like Library Genesis to download books, ZLibrary got shut down for a reason because piracy is IMMORAL and WRONG!!!!!!
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Also if you're ever wondering why all the Egyptian artifacts are in the UK, it's because the Arabs that inhabit the region now have a habit of destroying them for being idols e: Lot's of coptic iconoclasts too. Wasn't until Napoleonic era that preservation began to be taken seriously (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) Obama2 has issued a correction as of 04:05 on Dec 2, 2022 |
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AnimeIsTrash posted:During the first wave of covid lockdowns I came to realize I am really loving stupid so I should probably start reading again. It's pretty boring reading a book and not discussing it with anyone else and I tend to miss things that other people don't. I was thinking we could do a monthly book club, where we all read a book and talk about it. We can split it up by chapters, or just talk about it in it's entirety towards the end of the month. Good idea OP, and Black Skin, White Masks is an excellent choice imo. I think splitting it up by chapters or segments will probably get more discussion going than trying to read the whole thing over a holiday month and talk about it at the end. Did you have a reading schedule in mind?
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slave to my cravings posted:Im a big fan of I love you to the moon and back. https://a.co/6cysual thats very cute
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Excellent thread. Thank you! I was too timid to post in your last one, but I've just checked out a copy of this and will be getting started.
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Obama2 posted:Also if you're ever wondering why all the Egyptian artifacts are in the UK, it's because the Arabs that inhabit the region now have a habit of destroying them for being idols this is not why theyre in the UK.
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# ? Dec 2, 2022 23:26 |
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last time i did a cspam book club, i was the only one to finish the book and the OP got banned for posting cartoon chipmunk porn 'a fine balance' was a great book though
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Obama2 posted:Also if you're ever wondering why all the Egyptian artifacts are in the UK, it's because the Arabs that inhabit the region now have a habit of destroying them for being idols shut the gently caress up obama 2
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This thread sounds like a good time, I'll give my thoughts on the book when I finish unless we're breaking this into segments.
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I'm going to get into F Anon
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went book shopping today for christmas gifts and one goal was to find a copy of black skin white masks for myself. three locations of the same store chain all said the next one had the one copy in town and i never found it. i got shadowbanned from half-price books
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mawarannahr posted:this is not why theyre in the UK. If you think about it, grinding up a mummy and using it as paint is the best way to preserve it.
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Obama2 posted:Also if you're ever wondering why all the Egyptian artifacts are in the UK, it's because the Arabs that inhabit the region now have a habit of destroying them for being idols I was going to shitpost ITT but holy moly lmao
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Bumping. I got sidetracked but I'm starting chapter 6 today. Hopefully other people chime in, because I'm not too smart when it comes to theory and I'd appreciate the discussion. I wish I had read this sooner.
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Greg Legg, my copy just showed up at the library but I'm waiting for the new Chris Hedges as well
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black skin white mask and the wretched of the earth are both very good & way better than the 99999999 hours of corporate EDI trainings you'll have to take over the course of your career, by like, orders of magnitude. the scene when fanon is on the bus and he's got this incredible desire to deck that bitch and he realizes that this is internalized self loathing manifesting through being for others stuck with me hard. also the scene when he is practicing french in the mirror and comes to hate himself also. another good scene is when he returns home and realizes that he is now unwanted and mocked at home, but will never truly be parisian too, speaks to the subtly destructive power of colonialism. my copy had a foreward by sarte which i liked, but it's lampooned for being unable to resist the continental call towards secular cosmopolitanism. i liked that angle i think fanon probably did too but a lot of people dont, think its reductive. if i had to add a book to the reading list i'd put debords society of the spectacle on there. that book blew my mind. i actually read it in highschool and didn't like it one bit, but returning as an adult i got a lot more out of it reading it in the context of mass media, social control, and the psychological enslavement of the proletariat. i guess. im very stupid however.
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Now that book discussion has started in earnest, I'm going to stick this thread until the end of the month.
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AnimeIsTrash posted:During the first wave of covid lockdowns I came to realize I am really loving stupid so I should probably start reading again. It's pretty boring reading a book and not discussing it with anyone else and I tend to miss things that other people don't. I was thinking we could do a monthly book club, where we all read a book and talk about it. We can split it up by chapters, or just talk about it in it's entirety towards the end of the month. Black Skin, White Masks is an excellent choice
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I'll read your book AT
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Do the books have to be chapter books?
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i read everyday and i know less than ever....
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Ok, I read the Wikipedia article. I think this will be a fun read. I'll post if I find it.
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I did a Google search and looked for a PDF with the same number of pages that Wikipedia stated. I downloaded the monoskop one.
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The forward was rough to get through, I'll read more of the book and get back to it. But that intro is a hook. Rings true, feels true.
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Let's do this book club together and when we're done we can all meet up in Fort de France for a long weekend to hang out together and talk about it.
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