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I think they need some external insight. Not much, but more than one guy in the squad. We can do better than a token Owen Hargreaves. Someone who plays in south america and knows how to embrace that bullshit, someone who knows how to deal with playing in the shadow of italian ultras, someone who can work through the misery of late January the Scottish league. Just enough to add some conflict and character to their team talks.
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goatface posted:I think they need some external insight. Not much, but more than one guy in the squad. We can do better than a token Owen Hargreaves. Step up, Joey Barton
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goatface posted:I think they need some external insight. Not much, but more than one guy in the squad. We can do better than a token Owen Hargreaves. Ya you already have Tomori you left him off mate
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You'd have a point with this "premier league is stifling them" criticism if England played anything resembling premier league football. They're not lightning quick on the counter, they don't play high pressing possession football (but do kinda sorta try that against Wales and Iran, muscle memory from the league maybe?) there is nothing resembling any or a combination of Arsenal/City/Liverpool/United/Newcastle/Leicester type football. Yes, Foden is a class act, but he thrives on interplay in the spaces between the midfield and defence and 1-2s for runs into the box and it just wasn't happening with him/Rice/Shaw on that side. Southgate isn't a manager for the players England have at the peak of their powers. It's like chucking Fat Sam or Tony Pulis in at City.
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On that note I’m really interested to see how Emery does at Villa
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This might be my ignorance showing but I bet if they took and played as many English players from just city and arsenal as they could, backfilled with the most similar players possible, and took an assistant from one of them I bet they’d win 08-12 Spain had the right idea
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I don't think the prem is stifling them as much as they're just not inhabiting the possible breadth of the game. Most of those guys play in european football, they all know how international foot is played. I guess I just think a wider viewpoint among the players would lead to more useful feedback once they hit national squad training.
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A Buffer Gay Dude posted:This might be my ignorance showing but I bet if they took and played as many English players from just city and arsenal as they could, backfilled with the most similar players possible, and took an assistant from one of them I bet they’d win If England had Rob Holding they'd be in the semis
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Dec 11, 2022 02:09
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Put Reiss Nelson in the team as well
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goatface posted:I don't think the prem is stifling them as much as they're just not inhabiting the possible breadth of the game. Most of those guys play in european football, they all know how international foot is played. I guess I just think a wider viewpoint among the players would lead to more useful feedback once they hit national squad training. Yeah hate to break it to you but what these guys are being exposed to at their clubs is like 69,420x more sophisticated than international foot
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Yeah, and I want to see more of that.
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goatface posted:Yeah, and I want to see more of that. That’s the manager and staff
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Communist Thoughts posted:it's coming home next time CUM-ing home you say?
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A Buffer Gay Dude posted:That’s the manager and staff yeah we seem all in agreement lol
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A Buffer Gay Dude posted:That’s the manager and staff If the players and staff ain't discussing that poo poo then I think they have problems, and I fall back on assuming that more openings/experiences for that discussion is better. International football has to be simplified because they're not together as much, but England just seem stuck atm.
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where does "what we really need is a bald spanish fraud in charge" fall on the stages of grief. I'm guessing somewhere between anger and acceptance
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goatface posted:If the players and staff ain't discussing that poo poo then I think they have problems, and I fall back on assuming that more openings/experiences for that discussion is better. Gareth Southgate took a UEFA Cup finalist team into relegation within 3 seasons He's just not a top tier tournament manager I don't why it's such a bad thing to say this. He's done some good stuff but England are in a position to take a step up, talent wise and Southgate hasn't got the management chops to do it. The FA can either persist with "got us to a final and a semi final yanno" and piss away this squad for the Euros, or say thanks very much, you've done all you can, but time to find a manager that's a step up.
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I honestly don't know who you get instead though
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Alctel posted:I honestly don't know who you get instead though Well that's where the FA need to show some recruitment chops that they should have started showing after the Euros. Maybe they did start looking back then, we'll see.
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NinpoEspiritoSanto posted:Timid, unadventurous, boring. As someone else put it, Southgate is the missionary position of managers. Hey that's not entirely fair. Southgate knows all three positions: big man up top, winger, and normal.
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oh yea also the animeGIF got updated https://twitter.com/chidajunsei3163/status/1601692130497687552
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AnacondaHL posted:oh yea also the animeGIF got updated edit, lol it's perfect Tzen fucked around with this message at 07:42 on Dec 11, 2022 |
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NinpoEspiritoSanto posted:Well that's where the FA need to show some recruitment chops that they should have started showing after the Euros. Maybe they did start looking back then, we'll see. They 100% aren't gonna immediately replace a manager who got them to the final of a Euros
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Let it be. It’s the anger/bargaining stage right now.
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Alctel posted:I honestly don't know who you get instead though stevie g needs a job
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goatface posted:If the players and staff ain't discussing that poo poo then I think they have problems, and I fall back on assuming that more openings/experiences for that discussion is better. yeah, this is a "international football is poo poo garbage from the 70s" issue, you can't teach a team to gegenpress over eight training sessions a year it's not coincidental that croatia and morocco and the netherlands all set up to fart you to death
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Bea Nanner posted:stevie g needs a job stevie and frankie, co-managers *sitcom intro plays* I mean, I kid, but it's literally potter and howe and then you're into a long list of gerrard, lampard, gary o'neil who has been a professional manager since august, various championship-level managers, or hiring roberto martinez because he's sort of english if you squint
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i didn't watch the match or highlights but it looks like southgate put on grealish as a time wasting sub while down a goal in a world cup knockout match, can any fine posters confirm
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England out big deal. They played well, but it is what it is. Game of two halves and all that
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Alctel posted:I honestly don't know who you get instead though Please take Greggg Berhalter.
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FullLeatherJacket posted:yeah, this is a "international football is poo poo garbage from the 70s" issue, you can't teach a team to gegenpress over eight training sessions a year While Spain set up to tiki taka and all they did was 1100 passes and then miss a bunch of penalties FullLeatherJacket posted:stevie and frankie, co-managers *sitcom intro plays* Tommy Tickles would probably be a genuinely good tournament manager tbh, he seems fairly pragmatic and nerdy.
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TheRat posted:While Spain set up to tiki taka and all they did was 1100 passes and then miss a bunch of penalties Spain: 5000 touches, 2 goals Wout Weghorst: 6 touches, 2 goals In conclusion, it's a funny old game
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As a neutral, I thought the England v. France ref did a pretty good job. Hope to see him in the Morocco v. Croatia final.
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FullLeatherJacket posted:stevie and frankie, co-managers *sitcom intro plays* Phil Neville has the experience you need
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COMING SOON TO THEATERS TOURS 2:- THIS TIME ITS PERSONAL TOURS 2:- ASTERIX AND THE GREAT FRENCH EMBARRASMENT
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FullLeatherJacket posted:stevie and frankie, co-managers *sitcom intro plays* Sean Dyche
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Eat pie. poo poo. And that's the Burnley way.
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