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Sestze posted:There were four of them living in an apartment together, and one of them converted to Islam and murdered the other three. Mashallah
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Sestze posted:Atomwaffen: Commit terrorist acts until the US is destabilized, at which point the US balkanizes, a race war occurs, and whites emerge victorious. The rest of the turner diaries is mostly revenge porn (day of the rope, killing miscegenators, so on) if i understand correctly, the remnants of atomwaffen who lean towards the former currently call themselves the national socialist order, while the ones who want to do a nazi without the occult poo poo call themselves the national socialist resistance. the banners that went up in the weeks after the nc blackout were advertising the latter
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pink noise posted:if i understand correctly, the remnants of atomwaffen who lean towards the former currently call themselves the national socialist order, while the ones who want to do a nazi without the occult poo poo call themselves the national socialist resistance. the banners that went up in the weeks after the nc blackout were advertising the latter they are all just slightly different and hosed-up weirdos who belong in a reeducation camp 
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TenementFunster posted:beaten down by a succession of neo-nazi mass shootings/bombings what are you going to do about it
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Hatebag posted:I don't think leftists need new definitions of words that are different than the usual definitions. That kinda stuff just makes it harder to communicate. Here's the oxford definition of terrorism: I don't think it's massively helpful to use a single sentence definition in a language dictionary to understand political concepts but I guess it can illustrate my point, that language is shaped, often very consciously, to promote certain ideas. The first and second editions of the Oxford dictionary (1928 & 1989) define terrorist thusly (aside from 'a Jacobin') "Terrorist A policy intended to strike with terror those against whom it is adopted; the employment of methods of intimidation; the fact of terrorizing or condition of being terrorized." It's not that I'm suggesting we use a new definition, it's that I'm resisting the new definition (which lacks the causing fear part) that is being pushed to change people's ideological framework. Terrorism started to become a popular term around the seventies with an increase in a particular type of revolutionary violence, most notably Irish republicans, who used fear to achieve their political goals. I have no problem labeling this as terrorism. Was it good or bad? The question is certainly more complex than with these rahowa types but I don't think it has anything to do with whether or not those actions were terrorism. I think these attacks are not terrorism because they are firmly in the stage one: cause chaos phase of the plan and that the terrorism part is supposed to come later.
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Hatebag posted:If you wanna determine whether they're terrorists or just killers you have to look at their motivations because knowing their motivations is necessary to determine whether it's terrorism. Since we can't crack their heads open and see what's inside we have to rely on what they say and what the things that inspired them say. no i like this crack their heads open and see whats inside plan
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croup coughfield posted:what are you going to do about it
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are my neigbors trying to kill me??? edit: why would my neighbours be trying to kill mee???? Frakas has issued a correction as of 02:49 on Feb 10, 2023 |
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TenementFunster posted:no clue. do you have any ideas? sure. if you're starting at zero, all of them start with getting organized and being active in that organization. have you done that in the past at all?
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croup coughfield posted:sure. if you're starting at zero
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i read the turner diaries, well the wiki page for it, and it sounds pretty ridiculous
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They desire selective annihilation of mayors and government officials, for example, to create a vacuum, then they fill that vacuum. However, assassinating public officials is actually fairly difficult so they shoot at an inanimate object instead. We should debate and discuss whether or not it was terrorism when that one guy annihilated Steve Scalise's dick and balls
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CODChimera posted:i read the turner diaries, well the wiki page for it, and it sounds pretty ridiculous I wouldn't exactly recommend reading it, but in the end the new white world order nukes and chemical/biological warfares the entire soviet union because it is too weak to meet the strength of china
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E Depois do Adeus posted:We should debate and discuss whether or not it was terrorism when that one guy annihilated Steve Scalise's dick and balls very funny that he's now impotent and will be making GBS threads in a bag for the rest of his life due to gun violence, yet will simp for gun violence.
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The ruling class knows no fear? Got it. Terrorism, named for The Terror of the French revolution, can't be directed at the ruling class? OK.
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Weka posted:The ruling class knows no fear? Got it.  they cause it.
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TenementFunster posted:bad news, op. so who are you with, if you dont mind my asking
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the ruling class fears only one thing: child labor laws
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do you know where your local power station is located?
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croup coughfield posted:so who are you with, if you dont mind my asking
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Lpzie posted:do you know where your local power station is located? no, i dont even know how power stations work
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croup coughfield posted:so who are you with, if you dont mind my asking TenementFunster posted:wait, who are you "with"? can the us government not have open discussions about who's who when infiltrating this thread thank you
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Weka posted:It's not that I'm suggesting we use a new definition, it's that I'm resisting the new definition (which lacks the causing fear part) that is being pushed to change people's ideological framework Ok, now i understand your point. I think that's probably not a fight you can win in the broader world, though. I've only ever heard the definition i was familiar with Weka posted:
I disagree with this, though. They thought they would shoot up substations and people would die and the city would plunge into chaos. Which probably wouldn't happen anyway. Hospitals in Maryland are required to have i think 48 hours of emergency fuel and adequate generators and most heating in Baltimore is natural gas based plus it's been pretty warm lately anyway so I don't think anyone would have directly died from even a complete power outage. And also there are a few power plants within and around the city. Traffic would be bad and some food would spoil. The sugar plant might go offline. But that's beside the point, the nazis thought they would be killing people. I think if your goal includes killing people, you're trying to use terror, because most people are scared of death. I don't think the chaos and the terror are necessarily entirely separate phases either. If all social and governmental relations were disrupted and chaos reigns, that's going to scare some folks, so isn't that using terror? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVCbRl_Y7M8 Al! posted:no i like this crack their heads open and see whats inside plan worth a shot!
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Hubbert posted:can the us government not have open discussions about who's who when infiltrating this thread thank you the thread has matured to the point where it's being poo poo up by the worst posters the forum has to offer. soon there will come a flood of posts disparaging anarchists. the final stage, shortly thereafter, will be the stable fully mature thread stage where it's atrocious joe or ekunnn retweeting about this week's right wing attack on infrastructure
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Sestze posted:
Is it a literal comet or a spiritual comet?
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The Voice of Labor posted:the thread has matured to the point where it's being poo poo up by the worst posters the forum has to offer. soon there will come a flood of posts disparaging anarchists. the final stage, shortly thereafter, will be the stable fully mature thread stage where it's atrocious joe or ekunnn retweeting about this week's right wing attack on infrastructure im going to blow up this thread's power station
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but seriously this is actually a really concerning problem, especially if paired with an extreme event (such as a heat dome) one of the reasons why the Canadian death count was so much higher than for the Americans during the 2021 PNW heat dome was because of general lack of access to AC (and energy to power said systems) especially by the impoverished combine this horrid sort of behavior with a worsening and hotter climate, and you HAVE to be indoors to survive whether due to extreme heat or wet bulb, and now you have a genuine existential threat can't go outside, can't go inside edit: and again, this is in addition to all of the other aspects present in a short-term energy emergency - a good example being North Carolina during Katrina and during the Colonial Pipeline hack Hubbert has issued a correction as of 06:27 on Feb 10, 2023 |
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neonazis may be the violent puppets of capital but they're also fueling sales of my xbox handcrank mods so who's to say if they are bad or good
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Hatebag posted:I think if your goal includes killing people, you're trying to use terror, because most people are scared of death. I don't think the chaos and the terror are necessarily entirely separate phases either. If all social and governmental relations were disrupted and chaos reigns, that's going to scare some folks, so isn't that using terror? I disagree. This definition would include any lethal violence by non-state actors. The fear cannot be a side effect but must be the primary lever used to make the change the terrorist seeks. The Taliban shelling the soldiers of the USA was not terrorism despite the later crying in fear.
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The Voice of Labor posted:soon there will come a flood of posts disparaging anarchists. Weka posted:The Taliban shelling the soldiers of the USA was not terrorism despite the later crying in fear.
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Weka posted:I disagree. This definition would include any lethal violence by non-state actors. The fear cannot be a side effect but must be the primary lever used to make the change the terrorist seeks. The Taliban shelling the soldiers of the USA was not terrorism despite the later crying in fear. Fair point. I'd say the distinction is that the taliban was primarily attacking military targets instead of civilian ones. And the taliban controlled the vast majority of afghanistan prior to the invasion so i would consider them to have been the state authority prior to the invasion. I don't think you can describe attacks against military or police forces as terrorism.
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TenementFunster posted:wait, who are you "with"? up until recently, i was active in iww, off and on in cpusa (and if i ever get a chance to get back in the game, ill probably join again and be more active), and most active in a local org mostly focusing on education and mutual aid. prior to and during those times ive been spent some time and energy in just about every explicitly anti-capitalist org in my area over the years, whether local or a branch of a national. the pickings are very slim here for a number of reasons, so there's nowhere thats a perfect fit for me. that said, ive done my best to leave those orgs better than i found them. some of the projects ive been a part of were specifically focused on eroding local support for right-wing (usually white supremacist) orgs and pushing them out of areas where they'd been gaining ground and feeling comfortable. results have been mixed but there were successes. its a modest resume compared to historical luminaries to be sure but i can tell you without reservation that despite many failures and frustrations, it was always better than sitting in my house getting drunk and going insane because im not doing anything but watching poo poo slide. i encourage you to try it if you haven't, a question you seem to be carefully stepping around.
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tenement funster just grinding all the activities of the local chapter of food not bombs to a halt until the orginization renames itself food not bombs or guns
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croup coughfield posted:up until recently, i was active in iww, off and on in cpusa (and if i ever get a chance to get back in the game, ill probably join again and be more active), and most active in a local org mostly focusing on education and mutual aid. prior to and during those times ive been spent some time and energy in just about every explicitly anti-capitalist org in my area over the years, whether local or a branch of a national. the pickings are very slim here for a number of reasons, so there's nowhere thats a perfect fit for me. that said, ive done my best to leave those orgs better than i found them. some of the projects ive been a part of were specifically focused on eroding local support for right-wing (usually white supremacist) orgs and pushing them out of areas where they'd been gaining ground and feeling comfortable. results have been mixed but there were successes.
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The Voice of Labor posted:tenement funster just grinding all the activities of the local chapter of food not bombs to a halt until the orginization renames itself food not bombs or guns they want to gently caress a gun
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The Voice of Labor posted:I wouldn't exactly recommend reading it, but in the end the new white world order nukes and chemical/biological warfares the entire soviet union because it is too weak to meet the strength of china Yeah, just read a synopsis if you feel the itch. It's a turgid, badly written book.
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If I wanted to read The Turner Diaries it wouldn't be to enjoy it as a work of fiction.
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Weka posted:If I wanted to read The Turner Diaries it wouldn't be to enjoy it as a work of fiction. Well, good news then because you wouldn't enjoy it as a work of fiction.
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Zeroisanumber posted:Yeah, just read a synopsis if you feel the itch. It's a turgid, badly written book. the problem with synopsisises is that none of them can capture the shear absurdity ever situation is drenched in. the impromptu black power march everyone is forced to join in and part of the crowd separates off to kill a white cat shouting "kill that honkey cat". right wing fan fiction is right wing doctrinal text
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