why do right wing terrorists keep shooting up power stations?

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TenementFunster: Feb 20, 2003; The Cooler King

Weka posted:

I think it is extremely hamburger brained to label the culprits of these attacks as terrorists.

except for the atomwaffen guy and his nazi girlfriend

# ¿ Feb 7, 2023 06:48

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# ¿ May 16, 2024 10:51

TenementFunster: Feb 20, 2003; The Cooler King

Weka posted:

Let's go Brandon.
I'm not very familiar with Atomwaffen but from skimming their wikipedia page it seems like they are more about insurgency than terror campaigns. I know neonazis aren't usually the smartest but how would they hope to overthrow the government of the USA by scaring it's citizens?
Whereas the power infrastructure of your enemy is frequently seen as a useful target in a war, which is how these people probably see it.

okay

# ¿ Feb 7, 2023 21:28

TenementFunster: Feb 20, 2003; The Cooler King

Hatebag posted:

American nazi terrorists all think the turner diaries is a documentary and all it will take to kick off the race war is a terrorist attack. Usually the fbi is ginning them up to go murder people a la mcveigh or countless mass shooters. I don't see what their being delusional assholes with poo poo brains getting egged on by another white supremacist terrorist group (the fbi) has to do with them being terrorists or not

it is the reason the more "mainstream" right-wing freaks are obsessed with the '92 LA riots and Rhodesia and waco lately

they just want to terrorize black people and other minorities in hope of spurring more violence against minorities. even the republican party is trying to turn "terrorist" as a badge of pride after january 6th.

# ¿ Feb 7, 2023 21:39

TenementFunster: Feb 20, 2003; The Cooler King

Hatebag posted:

My point is the fbi is basically contracting out its historical nazi terrorism. It's neoliberalism!

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# ¿ Feb 8, 2023 00:25

TenementFunster: Feb 20, 2003; The Cooler King

Weka posted:

Blowing things up is not terrorism per se. 9-11 was terrorism because it was designed to make people scared it could happen again, or a different type of attack by similar actors could take place. McVeigh on the other hand afaik saw himself as an insurgent performing a revenge attack on the government. These are different ideas but because America has spent the past two decades labeling people protecting their homeland from invaders as terrorists, hamburger brained individuals cannot tell the difference.

okay, but the neo-nazi guy was doing neo-nazi terrorism

# ¿ Feb 8, 2023 00:52

TenementFunster: Feb 20, 2003; The Cooler King

Weka posted:

To qualify as terrorism there must an intent to cause fear. It's the use of terror as a political tool. The threat of violence towards political ends is something inherent in a state.

what do you think the nazi�s intent was here when he tried to turn off the lights to one of the blackest cities in the US? give everyone the day off?

# ¿ Feb 8, 2023 02:39

TenementFunster: Feb 20, 2003; The Cooler King

Weka posted:

Sometimes sure, but the fear is the goal not the method. Sometimes genocide is just about the victims not being around any more.

Are you serious? Because I was pretty clear that I don't consider the Taliban or the Iraqi insurgency to be terrorism. As far as this sort of thing by American white supremacists goes, sometimes it's leveraging terror to achieve their ends but sometimes not.

lmao did you just compare a nazi targeting hundreds of thousands of innocent black people to iraqi resistance to american imperialism?

# ¿ Feb 8, 2023 09:25

TenementFunster: Feb 20, 2003; The Cooler King

Weka posted:

It's ok to compare things. It's even ok to point out similarities two things share when one of those things is good and the other bad. In this case I was making it clear that I do not consider the perpetrator being a neo-nazi or white supremacist a defining quality in whether or not something counts as terrorism. For instance I do not consider your posts to be terrorism despite your hamburger brains.

it is very dumb to compare resisting foreign invasion to trying to turn the power off to a major city because you have racial hatred for most of its residents. doing crimes that put people in danger on the basis of racial hatred is terrorism. you are making a very stupid and meaningless distinction.

# ¿ Feb 9, 2023 05:14

TenementFunster: Feb 20, 2003; The Cooler King

James Mason lives/lived like a mile from me

# ¿ Feb 9, 2023 05:35

TenementFunster: Feb 20, 2003; The Cooler King

Weka posted:

How would you define terrorism?

"doing crimes with the intent of making a large number of people scared for their safety" seems like a pretty solid start.

how about you?

# ¿ Feb 9, 2023 09:57

TenementFunster: Feb 20, 2003; The Cooler King

Weka posted:

we broadly agree

okay

Pentecoastal Elites posted:

They're not acting on the behalf of a political project in any meaningful sense

they think they are. it's their political project. white supremacist violence is an organic movement in the US and always has been.

# ¿ Feb 9, 2023 22:25

TenementFunster: Feb 20, 2003; The Cooler King

Hatebag posted:

If you wanna determine whether they're terrorists or just killers you have to look at their motivations because knowing their motivations is necessary to determine whether it's terrorism. Since we can't crack their heads open and see what's inside we have to rely on what they say and what the things that inspired them say.
Like i said earlier, the powerful will just describe anyone who opposes them as terrorists and that's technically correct per the definition of the word.

or you can just listen to anything they say, because they make their motivations really clear. they aren't shy about wanting to do violence in service of making the US a white, fascist ethnostate. nobody is more "mask off" than attomwaffen.

# ¿ Feb 9, 2023 22:41

TenementFunster: Feb 20, 2003; The Cooler King

Pentecoastal Elites posted:

so is "terrorism" just synonymous with "political violence"? if so why even use it?

because it's a lot fewer letters and not everybody is as tedious as c-spam posters

# ¿ Feb 9, 2023 23:05

TenementFunster: Feb 20, 2003; The Cooler King

Hatebag posted:

Tbc none of these nazis are a larger threat than their immediate targets because they're all morons without any larger scale plans that make any kind of sense and they're mostly being entrapped by the feds. Whether the feds are intentionally allowing some of them to commit attacks as part of a years of lead style op is up for speculation, though.

when you care more about your pet conspiracy theories than the actual people who have been and could be harmed/killed by nazi terrorists, it is time to log off and talk to real people who aren't just other sadbrains weirdos on the internet.

# ¿ Feb 9, 2023 23:15

TenementFunster: Feb 20, 2003; The Cooler King

croup coughfield posted:

when did you become such a little bitch

beaten down by a succession of neo-nazi mass shootings/bombings

Pentecoastal Elites posted:

ummmm sweaty?? its time to TOUCH GRASS so you can be more WORRIED about these FRIGGING FASCISTS!!!!

yeah man. having a bunch of nazi zoomers shoot up krogers sucks. these people are absolutely a "greater threat" because it keeps happening.

# ¿ Feb 9, 2023 23:28

TenementFunster: Feb 20, 2003; The Cooler King

Pentecoastal Elites posted:

if theres one thing I believe with all my heart its being performatively concerned about it on something awful dot com will put an end to their evil ways once and for all

this is a thread for posting about it. i am answering the question posed in the thread topic: the right wing terrorists keep shooting up power stations to 1) make life even more miserable for non-white and non-straight people in this country and, 2) inspire other right wing terrorists to do the same in their communities. it has been working. the Federal Bureau of Investigation is not secretly pulling all the strings to make it happen. the US has an nazi problem that is "organic."

# ¿ Feb 9, 2023 23:33

TenementFunster: Feb 20, 2003; The Cooler King

Sestze posted:

There was a tipping point when a group of higher-ups in atomwaffen (as much as you can be a "higher up" in a by-design terrorist cell network) down in Florida died. There were four of them living in an apartment together, and one of them converted to Islam and murdered the other three.

still the funniest poo poo ever. violent "revolutionaries" cannot stop friendly firing each other. The Lincoln Rockwell Legacy!

# ¿ Feb 9, 2023 23:47

TenementFunster: Feb 20, 2003; The Cooler King

pink noise posted:

if i understand correctly, the remnants of atomwaffen who lean towards the former currently call themselves the national socialist order, while the ones who want to do a nazi without the occult poo poo call themselves the national socialist resistance. the banners that went up in the weeks after the nc blackout were advertising the latter

the difference is academic when a nazi tries to shut off power to your entire city for a week.

they are all just slightly different and hosed-up weirdos who belong in a reeducation camp

# ¿ Feb 10, 2023 01:12

TenementFunster: Feb 20, 2003; The Cooler King

croup coughfield posted:

what are you going to do about it

no clue. do you have any ideas?

# ¿ Feb 10, 2023 02:40

TenementFunster: Feb 20, 2003; The Cooler King

croup coughfield posted:

sure. if you're starting at zero

bad news, op.

# ¿ Feb 10, 2023 03:17

TenementFunster: Feb 20, 2003; The Cooler King

E Depois do Adeus posted:

We should debate and discuss whether or not it was terrorism when that one guy annihilated Steve Scalise's dick and balls

no, it was political violence, not terrorism. you cannot meaningfully "terrify" a member of the ruling class, especially one who exercises direct control of the United States's military budget.

very funny that he's now impotent and will be making GBS threads in a bag for the rest of his life due to gun violence, yet will simp for gun violence.

# ¿ Feb 10, 2023 03:46

TenementFunster: Feb 20, 2003; The Cooler King

Weka posted:

The ruling class knows no fear? Got it.

they cause it.

# ¿ Feb 10, 2023 04:27

TenementFunster: Feb 20, 2003; The Cooler King

croup coughfield posted:

so who are you with, if you dont mind my asking

wait, who are you "with"?

# ¿ Feb 10, 2023 05:18

TenementFunster: Feb 20, 2003; The Cooler King

The Voice of Labor posted:

soon there will come a flood of posts disparaging anarchists.

i can't wait! anarchists are all very stupid!

Weka posted:

The Taliban shelling the soldiers of the USA was not terrorism despite the later crying in fear.

# ¿ Feb 10, 2023 09:44

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# ¿ May 16, 2024 10:51

TenementFunster: Feb 20, 2003; The Cooler King

croup coughfield posted:

up until recently, i was active in iww, off and on in cpusa (and if i ever get a chance to get back in the game, ill probably join again and be more active), and most active in a local org mostly focusing on education and mutual aid. prior to and during those times ive been spent some time and energy in just about every explicitly anti-capitalist org in my area over the years, whether local or a branch of a national. the pickings are very slim here for a number of reasons, so there's nowhere thats a perfect fit for me. that said, ive done my best to leave those orgs better than i found them. some of the projects ive been a part of were specifically focused on eroding local support for right-wing (usually white supremacist) orgs and pushing them out of areas where they'd been gaining ground and feeling comfortable. results have been mixed but there were successes.

its a modest resume compared to historical luminaries to be sure but i can tell you without reservation that despite many failures and frustrations, it was always better than sitting in my house getting drunk and going insane because im not doing anything but watching poo poo slide. i encourage you to try it if you haven't, a question you seem to be carefully stepping around.

cool

# ¿ Feb 11, 2023 23:50

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