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Jack Trades
Nov 30, 2010

goferchan posted:

Finally checking out Shadows of Doubt and man, this feels extremely fresh. I'm not sure I've even found any crimes yet, just been climbing through air vents and reading people's emails and digging in their garbage, and being generally antisocial. Basically feels like a Rorschach from Watchmen simulator.

The part where you go "I'm getting paid to break into this apartment and look through this guy's trash for information, so I might as well eat this half-eaten candy bar and take a shower." AND all of it actually having meaningful effects on the gameplay, is loving incredible.

It's as if Disco Elysium was a procedural immsim instead of a CRPG.

I'm having a really hard time staying away from that game, lest I burn myself out before it hits 1.0

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ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

goferchan posted:

Finally checking out Shadows of Doubt and man, this feels extremely fresh. I'm not sure I've even found any crimes yet, just been climbing through air vents and reading people's emails and digging in their garbage, and being generally antisocial. Basically feels like a Rorschach from Watchmen simulator.

That looks fun as hell but it is also the exact kind of game I want to hit 1.0 before I play.

Volte
Oct 4, 2004

woosh woosh

ImpAtom posted:

That looks fun as hell but it is also the exact kind of game I want to hit 1.0 before I play.
It's probably not going to be super different when it hits 1.0. I put like 30 hours into it back when it first was released in EA and even then I had a blast with it. It's probably not the kind of game where you're going to want to invest tons of time into a single playthrough anyway, so there's no harm in trying out a few cases, then shelving it and coming back fresh later if a new update looks interesting.

FrickenMoron
May 6, 2009

Good game!
The main problem I have with Shadows of Doubt is that it's extremely prone to metagaming once you realize how all the systems work. It's very rigid in that regard.

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

Oh neat, just got an email from the Phoenix Point guys:

quote:

Phoenix Point fan mod Terror from the Void 1.0 has been released!

Complete overhaul with new characters, story, events, redesigned classes, DLC reworks, better AI, UI changes and QOL improvements, bugfixes, and more.
We at Snapshot Games are honored that the PHOENIX RISING team has dedicated so much time and effort into customizing our game Phoenix Point. We believe that they have achieved an amazing re-imagining of our campaign, and we want the result of their hard work to be noticed and enjoyed by as many players as possible. Phoenix Point is also currently on sale to mark the release of the incredible mod - enjoy their great work! Now, let's give them some space to present their mod:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4zXqvap21U


Mod Features
A complete reworking of the Phoenix Point campaign, with new characters, story, events and reports, and integrated and rationalised in-game lore, including a revamped Oneiric Delirium from the original release. Written by and for sci-fi horror fans!

Completely redesigned classes, focusing on sharply defined fighting roles and strong class identities, and on removing and rebalancing overpowered synergies from the vanilla classes.

Fight the nightmarish doubles and replicas of your deceased comrades! Revenants are special Pandoran combat forms invested with the mutilated consciousness of your fallen heroes – they will hunt you relentlessly over the course of your campaign!

Modular campaign settings, with both very easy and nightmarishly difficult settings, and more than 20 toggles that allow you to fine tune your playthrough to your liking.

Total rework of Legacy of the Ancients; redesigned missions, automata, and ancient weapons, with unique mechanics and reworked lore integration.
Total rework of Kaos Engines; massively expanded marketplace that will now sell you faction research, rebalanced Kaos weaponry, and mercenary soldiers with unique gear and abilities! Vehicles and modules have undergone an extensive redesign, with a focus on expanding and specialising their roles over the course of a campaign.

All other DLCs have been rebalanced or reintegrated

A series of UI changes and QOL improvements - loadable soldier loadouts, helmet visibility toggles, and more!

AI fixes, a stealth overhaul, over 50 vanilla bug fixes, and many, many more features. Terror from the Void is a true reimagining of the vanilla experience from the ground up, made by fans who love Phoenix Point.

Mod Vision
Phoenix Point was a visionary game from an acknowledged master in the genre. Terror from the Void takes that vision and runs with it, asking the question: what more could be done in terms of balancing and harmonizing the base game and the DLC content? How could the systems be adjusted with reference to experienced TBT players who value interesting tactical decision-making, while also making the game even more enjoyable for novice players? If the original horror setting was pushed into and explored more fully?

This is a total conversion, created by fans for fans, that seeks to realise the untapped potential in the original product, and elevate one of the hidden gems of the genre by polishing, streamlining, and, where necessary, re-imagining the original. The scope of the work cannot be overstated, and the points above are only a rough guide to the changes. Almost every system has been touched, chopped, and changed, with an insistence on maintaining the original feeling and identity of the product.

Terror from the Void has been built in the grand tradition of fan reworks in the TBT space. Our community response during the open beta has been overwhelmingly positive, and we are enormously proud of our product. We invite you to once again pick up your Ares AR-1, stare into the abyss, and embrace entropy and madness in Terror from the Void, available now on Steam Workshop, and on GitHub for the Epic Games Store and GOG editions.

Soul-rending truths and black, indifferent cosmic vistas await you… Director.

Links
Steam Workshop: Terror from the Void (TFTV) https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2872311902&snr=2_groups_partnerevents_

GitHub: Terror from the Void mod for Phoenix Point https://github.com/Voland163/TFTV

Dunno if the mod is any good, but it's always cool when gamedevs like mods!

John Murdoch
May 19, 2009

I can tune a fish.
I'm mostly waiting for Shadows 1.0 in the hope that the game will be less buggy and more stable. Pretty sure that's been a problem on and off throughout development, which isn't surprising given its nature, but still.

Velocity Raptor
Jul 27, 2007

I MADE A PROMISE
I'LL DO ANYTHING
Another good reason to wait for 1.0 in Shadows of Doubt is that each update usually requires you to gen a new city to have the fixes and new features included.

goferchan
Feb 8, 2004

It's 2006. I am taking 276 yeti furs from the goodies hoard.

Jack Trades posted:

The part where you go "I'm getting paid to break into this apartment and look through this guy's trash for information, so I might as well eat this half-eaten candy bar and take a shower." AND all of it actually having meaningful effects on the gameplay, is loving incredible.

Yeah I was exploring and punched through a random guy's apartment window which caused me to start dripping a trail of blood everywhere, got hungry so I ate some raw meat from his fridge which made me nauseous, puked in his toilet, got the "stinky" status effect, cleaned myself up in his shower, and climbed back out through the window again. My work here is done.

Wolfsheim
Dec 23, 2003

"Ah," Ratz had said, at last, "the artiste."
ok i don't know what i toggled or if this is a new update but why does my steam library on PC now list a million dedicated servers for games i've never played or even owned

claw game handjob
Mar 27, 2007

pinch pinch scrape pinch
ow ow fuck it's caught
i'm bleeding
JESUS TURN IT OFF
WHY ARE YOU STILL SMILING

Wolfsheim posted:

ok i don't know what i toggled or if this is a new update but why does my steam library on PC now list a million dedicated servers for games i've never played or even owned

If it is a toggle, make sure you don't have "Tools" checked from the dropdown above the library list, I think that's what those are usually under.

Wolfsheim
Dec 23, 2003

"Ah," Ratz had said, at last, "the artiste."

claw game handjob posted:

If it is a toggle, make sure you don't have "Tools" checked from the dropdown above the library list, I think that's what those are usually under.

this was it! thank you! I didn't want to live in a world where i have to see America's Army 3 in my library

wizard2
Apr 4, 2022

Wolfsheim posted:

this was it! thank you! I didn't want to live in a world where i have to see America's Army 3 in my library

Congratulations, Private! You deploy tomorrow!
:patriot:

DeadFatDuckFat
Oct 29, 2012

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So... is Manor lords good? Was thinking I might just pick it up with the discount now, even if its not very complete, and just play it later

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk









Jack Trades posted:

It helps that the combat system is actually fairly well designed and not another horrible D&D derivative.

rogue trader (at least when i played it, about 30 hours worth of the beta) turned into picking a feat every five minutes out of a list of literal dozens of complicated if-then use cases. It's maybe better than the pathfinder games but that's a very low bar. It was still fun but I don't think that's because of the system

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

DeadFatDuckFat posted:

So... is Manor lords good? Was thinking I might just pick it up with the discount now, even if its not very complete, and just play it later

Did you ever play Banished? https://store.steampowered.com/app/242920/Banished/

It's like banished but in Unreal and with combat.

Runa
Feb 13, 2011

sebmojo posted:

rogue trader (at least when i played it, about 30 hours worth of the beta) turned into picking a feat every five minutes out of a list of literal dozens of complicated if-then use cases. It's maybe better than the pathfinder games but that's a very low bar. It was still fun but I don't think that's because of the system

I'm a lot more forgiving of XCOM-style tactical combat over D&D-style, but Owlcat are absolutely huge complexity grognards and their custom system for Rogue Trader is much more fiddly than the tabletop system it was based on. They mostly moved on from Pathfinder because Paizo asked them to make a game in Pathfinder 2E, which is a marked improvement on 1E in a number of ways (implementing concepts from D&D 4E, even), and Owlcat balked because, well, they're Pathfinder 1E grogs.

Barreft
Jul 21, 2014

Off the wall question, but I'm reinstalling nvidia drivers and you can make your own custom ai bot? Why the hell would anyone want that? I know AI is a scam I'm just really curious who needs to spend time training their own ai bot when they can just google and get a million results from bots.

It's a sex thing right? It's always a sex thing

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk









Runa posted:

I'm a lot more forgiving of XCOM-style tactical combat over D&D-style, but Owlcat are absolutely huge complexity grognards and their custom system for Rogue Trader is much more fiddly than the tabletop system it was based on. They mostly moved on from Pathfinder because Paizo asked them to make a game in Pathfinder 2E, which is a marked improvement on 1E in a number of ways (implementing concepts from D&D 4E, even), and Owlcat balked because, well, they're Pathfinder 1E grogs.

i mean dgmw i love that they do what they do and hope they nerd on forever, i just don't think you can call any of their games more sensible and straightforward than e.g. baldurs gate 3, which put a bunch of smart tweaks on a basically ok system and made something that even people who have no idea what's going can blunder their way through.

Lowness 72
Jul 19, 2006
BUTTS LOL

Jade Ear Joe
Now when you say gently caress Nvidia you really can gently caress Nvidia!

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk









Barreft posted:

Off the wall question, but I'm reinstalling nvidia drivers and you can make your own custom ai bot? Why the hell would anyone want that? I know AI is a scam I'm just really curious who needs to spend time training their own ai bot when they can just google and get a million results from bots.

It's a sex thing right? It's always a sex thing

i think all these giant companies are scrabbling around throwing poo poo at the wall to find a way of making any kind of money out of AI, an AI toaster can't be far away

abraham linksys
Sep 6, 2010

:darksouls:

Barreft posted:

Off the wall question, but I'm reinstalling nvidia drivers and you can make your own custom ai bot? Why the hell would anyone want that? I know AI is a scam I'm just really curious who needs to spend time training their own ai bot when they can just google and get a million results from bots.

It's a sex thing right? It's always a sex thing

Wait until you see the Logitech drivers

Barreft
Jul 21, 2014

sebmojo posted:

i think all these giant companies are scrabbling around throwing poo poo at the wall to find a way of making any kind of money out of AI, an AI toaster can't be far away

yeah.. i cant see any use case for custom ai bots, let alone hardware accelerated ones. technology sucks so bad now

e: steam deck oled for the fuckin win though

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


DeadFatDuckFat posted:

So... is Manor lords good? Was thinking I might just pick it up with the discount now, even if its not very complete, and just play it later

its fine, very enjoyable, many minor gripes though. i dont like the region mechanics (you have to build stations to trade with different regions you control), you can't see the enemy troop counts at a bandit camp, the notification that you're under attack is easily missed except for one event where you get a whole year's warning (but no detail about what you're prepping for) and then the other faction kills those bandits any way and the combat is kinda messy, but when it works you see a great vision for a game that nails both city building and military stuff in a way that just feels very good. really just needs polish

Pwnstar
Dec 9, 2007

Who wants some waffles?

Even if AI worked perfectly like in the movies and had no ethical issues, my computer doing things I did not ask it to do is one of the main things I try to avoid computer-wise.

Barreft
Jul 21, 2014

Pwnstar posted:

Even if AI worked perfectly like in the movies and had no ethical issues, my computer doing things I did not ask it to do is one of the main things I try to avoid computer-wise.

It's literally just an AI chatbot. It's not advertised as an AI bot. Both are dumb as hell but advertising a hardware accelerated chatbot... lol

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/deep-learning-ai/solutions/conversational-ai/

so depressing, once the internet's fully closed the new generation (alpha? or we at beta now?) will only know this, smart on the owners i guess

e: yep sex thing lol

The Benefits of Conversational AI:

Agent Efficiency
Digital Accessibility
24/7 Availability
Engaging Experiences

Barreft fucked around with this message at 01:12 on Apr 27, 2024

mystes
May 31, 2006

Barreft posted:

It's literally just an AI chatbot. It's not advertised as an AI bot. Both are dumb as hell but advertising a hardware accelerated chatbot... lol

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/deep-learning-ai/solutions/conversational-ai/

so depressing, once the internet's fully closed the new generation (alpha? or we at beta now?) will only know this, smart on the owners i guess

e: yep sex thing lol

The Benefits of Conversational AI:

Agent Efficiency
Digital Accessibility
24/7 Availability
Engaging Experiences
There are probably people who use chatgpt and would prefer a local chatbot that doesn't send all their data to the cloud. I think this is understandable regardless of whether you personally think chatbots are useful.

Scalding Coffee
Jun 26, 2006

You're already dead
It will make your drives a Solid State.

RPATDO_LAMD
Mar 22, 2013

🐘🪠🍆

sebmojo posted:

i think all these giant companies are scrabbling around throwing poo poo at the wall to find a way of making any kind of money out of AI, an AI toaster can't be far away

RPATDO_LAMD
Mar 22, 2013

🐘🪠🍆

Barreft posted:

yeah.. i cant see any use case for custom ai bots, let alone hardware accelerated ones. technology sucks so bad now

e: steam deck oled for the fuckin win though

they're all hardware accelerated, you can't run an LLM without a gpu.

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

I've lost twice, I've failed twice and I've gotten two dishonorable mentions within 7 weeks. But I keep coming back. I am The Trooper!

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021


RPATDO_LAMD posted:

they're all hardware accelerated, you can't run an LLM without a gpu.

It is legit surprising that the technology invented to run Quake good is also going to be used to end the world, until you notice that John Carmack is responsible for both things.

800peepee51doodoo
Mar 1, 2001

Volute the swarth, trawl betwixt phonotic
Scoff the festune

DeadFatDuckFat posted:

So... is Manor lords good? Was thinking I might just pick it up with the discount now, even if its not very complete, and just play it later

From reading steam reviews I can tell you one thing for sure: there's no way some woke AAA dev could have made this!!!

Rusty
Sep 28, 2001
Dinosaur Gum
Manor Lords reminded me a bit of Ostriv. Mainly for the gorgeous looking models and the way things get built, both in how it takes a while and how they build it in stages. I haven't played for more than an hour yet, so no real opinion though I am surprised a city builder is getting this much attention, but happy for the dev for sure.

The MSJ
May 17, 2010

Bing, Meta and Google all implementing AI everywhere. Even the uses that seem fun are still iffy. I tried making AI backgrounds for a video meeting using Google Meets' embedded AI and managed to got pictures that has tits with nips more than once.

goferchan
Feb 8, 2004

It's 2006. I am taking 276 yeti furs from the goodies hoard.

AI stuff aside that's probably the best rice cooker in the world

Mordja
Apr 26, 2014

Hell Gem

DeadFatDuckFat posted:

So... is Manor lords good? Was thinking I might just pick it up with the discount now, even if its not very complete, and just play it later

Wait for the Warhammer mod imo

shrike82
Jun 11, 2005

japanese rice cookers have been sold with "fuzzy logic" (actually a thing and an ancestor of modern AI) as a bullet point for decades at this point

KakerMix
Apr 8, 2004

8.2 M.P.G.
:byetankie:

shrike82 posted:

japanese rice cookers have been sold with "fuzzy logic" (actually a thing and an ancestor of modern AI) as a bullet point for decades at this point

Competing rice cookers have already had their apocalypse

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?
Let us eject AI chat from this thread for now! Thank yooou

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


okay but what makes that rice cooker particularly good, because i’m in the market for a new one and everything i’m googling sounds unimpressive

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homeless
Jan 2, 2005
not so much

kazil posted:

New Humble Bundle is automation games:

The Colonists
Astro Colony
Cardboard Town
Mob Factory
Factory Town
Buggos
Recipe for Disaster

Haven't heard of any of these, are they any good?

I only played Cardboard Town for 2ish hours in early access but I liked it. I don't know if I would call it automation, it's more of cross between a city builder and deck builder. Rougelike too with progression. You have obstacles to tackle while balancing resources and you draw cards each day that represent stuff to build like housing, parks, road, utility, etc. Thought the presentation was cool and this is a reminder to revisit. I thought the game was tough due to lack of game knowledge or progression but recent reviews call some of the post 1.0 updates punishing.

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12+ years on my zojirushi. perfect rice and it sings to me

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