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Buttchocks
Oct 21, 2020

No, I like my hat, thanks.

Hirayuki posted:

There've been some changes to the tachiai: a new "get ready" phrase from the shinpan and a more tightly regulated requirement that all four rikishi hands are actually touching the dohyo before the bout begins. Despite the headline making it sound like the changes are only for amateur sumo, I believe they apply to professional-level sumo as well; am I reading it right?

For amateur sumo, a fresh start offers hope against time-wasting and gamesmanship

That's half the fun of watching the match. Drawing out the tachiai is part of the ritual!

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NTRabbit
Aug 15, 2012

i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches




Hirayuki posted:

There've been some changes to the tachiai: a new "get ready" phrase from the shinpan and a more tightly regulated requirement that all four rikishi hands are actually touching the dohyo before the bout begins. Despite the headline making it sound like the changes are only for amateur sumo, I believe they apply to professional-level sumo as well; am I reading it right?

For amateur sumo, a fresh start offers hope against time-wasting and gamesmanship

Crouch, touch, pause, engage :eng101:

e: the double standards continue with a warning for Onosato only after the press got it 7 months later

NTRabbit fucked around with this message at 15:33 on Apr 24, 2024

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Buttchocks posted:

That's half the fun of watching the match. Drawing out the tachiai is part of the ritual!
Is it considered untoward for amateurs to do all the standing up and walking around and throwing salt and all that?

Bentai
Jul 8, 2004


NERF THIS!


Ichinojo will be part of the US Sumo Open on May 1th in Long Beach, CA.

Kuros
Sep 13, 2010

Oh look, the consequences of my prior actions are finally catching up to me.

Bentai posted:

Ichinojo will be part of the US Sumo Open on May 1th in Long Beach, CA.

Oh, neat. I'll be there.

Okuteru
Nov 10, 2007

Choose this life you're on your own

NTRabbit posted:

Crouch, touch, pause, engage :eng101:

e: the double standards continue with a warning for Onosato only after the press got it 7 months later

Ono is something a golden boy, yeah?

Brut
Aug 21, 2007

Hirayuki posted:

There've been some changes to the tachiai: a new "get ready" phrase from the shinpan and a more tightly regulated requirement that all four rikishi hands are actually touching the dohyo before the bout begins. Despite the headline making it sound like the changes are only for amateur sumo, I believe they apply to professional-level sumo as well; am I reading it right?

For amateur sumo, a fresh start offers hope against time-wasting and gamesmanship

I think the Japan Sumo Federation is different from the Japan Sumo Association, I don't think this impacts Ozumo at all.

Thauros
Jan 29, 2003

yeah that first paragraph is confusing and thought the headline writer may have not been gunning and made a mistake. every thing past that first paragraph in the body of the article seems to be talking about strictly amateur sumo tho

Brut
Aug 21, 2007

Thauros posted:

yeah that first paragraph is confusing and thought the headline writer may have not been gunning and made a mistake. every thing past that first paragraph in the body of the article seems to be talking about strictly amateur sumo tho

I think it's just a case of English language information being impossible to find about them, best I found is this page:

http://www.ifs-sumo.org/19-organization.html

ISF Site posted:

The Japan Sumo Federation, established on September 1, 1946 also holds several championships every year in the sport of Amateur Sumo, in which overseas teams are invited to compete. The oldest Amateur Championships date back to the year 1915.

The years mentioned in that paragraph seem to indicate that they are not talking about the JSA.

Nativity In Black
Oct 24, 2012

If you're gonna have roads, you're gonna have roadkill.
At some point I was trying to figure out how to get the better sumo seats (I ended up giving up and buying through buysumotickets again). I ended up signing up for the official sumo fan club where they do a lottery system to buy tickets, and they email with all kinds of interesting promotions that I can't read. I guess they made some digital trading cards and this cracked my poo poo up:

Nativity In Black fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Apr 25, 2024

Elephant Ambush
Nov 13, 2012

...We sholde spenden more time together. What sayest thou?
Nap Ghost
Use Google lens

Nativity In Black
Oct 24, 2012

If you're gonna have roads, you're gonna have roadkill.

Elephant Ambush posted:

Use Google lens

Somehow I never considered this for translating text on pictures, despite using it extensively while traveling. Translate actually does a decent job with the printed text.

But specifically why I was sharing this picture is the middle card of Endo(?) making that smirk in his training mawashi.

Bentai
Jul 8, 2004


NERF THIS!


Nah that’s Kirishima.

Nativity In Black
Oct 24, 2012

If you're gonna have roads, you're gonna have roadkill.
My brain was telling me it was Kirishima, but then I was confused by the surrounding pictures of Endo

Brut
Aug 21, 2007

Strangely, that is two very slightly different pictures of Endo rather than the same picture twice, like I originally thought. Anyway the other one is definitely Kirishima though I would guess the picture is from before the name change.

some kinda jackal
Feb 25, 2003

 
 
If you learn four or five common kanji for maybe shima, no, taka, and like.. yama, you can probably pick out 80% of rikishi based on a picture and "something-yama -- oh yeah! kore-wa-pen-desu-yama". That's how I stumble through some of the rikishi I sometimes forget exist :lol:

fullerene
Apr 29, 2022
https://twitter.com/patriciajaydee/status/1783876279105982962

Good news about Asashoryu.

Kerrzhe
Nov 5, 2008

https://x.com/Sumo_BeatEgg/status/1784331094869025057

:allears:

Kerrzhe
Nov 5, 2008

the banzuke is out!

Onosato is komusubi :aaaaa:

Teddybear
May 16, 2009

Look! A teddybear doll!
It's soooo cute!


Banzuke is out!

https://www.sumo.or.jp/EnHonbashoBanzuke/index/

Takerufuji gets M5, Onosato promoted to Komusubi.

Fluffdaddy
Jan 3, 2009


i mean dude went 22-8 over the past 2 tournaments from #15 and #5. He is on the express line to Ozeki if he keeps it up

Thauros
Jan 29, 2003

kotonowaka is also now officially kotozakura. thought they were putting that on hold a bit

Khizan
Jul 30, 2013


He just did one basho as Kotonowaka because he wanted his dad’s shikona on a banzuke as ozeki, iirc

bartolimu
Nov 25, 2002


Khizan posted:

He just did one basho as Kotonowaka because he wanted his dad’s shikona on a banzuke as ozeki, iirc

Yep. And now he wants his grandpa's shikona on a banzuke as Yokozuna. Again.

Elephant Ambush
Nov 13, 2012

...We sholde spenden more time together. What sayest thou?
Nap Ghost

Good

Brut
Aug 21, 2007

So, here's a list of top division Yusho winners who were not promoted to sanyaku following their win, Takerufuji set a new record there.

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004



I was expecting him to at least get to M1.

anakha
Sep 16, 2009


bessantj posted:

I was expecting him to at least get to M1.

Tokushoryu was promoted to M2 after that insane yusho and he finished that basho 4-11.

I'm actually in favor of the old folks actually showing restraint in promotions this once. We always see examples of guys betting promoted too high after a good basho and struggling mightily at the new rank, which can't be good for their confidence.

Khizan
Jul 30, 2013


I’m in favor of the way he was promoted because I think he’s a solid pick at M6 but a very iffy pick at M1.

Brut
Aug 21, 2007

bessantj posted:

I was expecting him to at least get to M1.

If you wanna hear people who know a lot more than I do talk about this for an hour you should check out Grand Sumo Breakdown's Banzuke prediction episode and probably also their Banzuke review episode

But long story short it made some sense for Takerufuji to end up anywhere from M2 to M6, with M6 apparently being mathematically most appropriate (but unusual because Yusho winners typically get a bit of a boost beyond the math), I don't think M1 was ever in the cards.

pseudodragon
Jun 16, 2007


Brut posted:

But long story short it made some sense for Takerufuji to end up anywhere from M2 to M6, with M6 apparently being mathematically most appropriate (but unusual because Yusho winners typically get a bit of a boost beyond the math), I don't think M1 was ever in the cards.

There was no way for him to get higher than M5 without loving someone else over.

M1-3 are all locked in some order: Atamifuji was 8-7 at M2e must take an M1 slot. Hiradoumi at 9-6 from M4w, Gonoyama at 10-5 from M6w and Takayasu at 11-5 from M8w all also deserve M1w by the numbers. No 6-9 Sekiwake has dropped below M2w since 1944 and literally never below M3e so Daiesho gets a spot and Tobizaru was 8-7 at M4e.

M4: 6-9 Ura from M1e and 7-8 Oho from M3e don't deserve to drop lower than M4.

M5: 9-6 from M8e Onosho has a claim on M5e and Daiesho 6-9 from M2w claims M5w.

M6: 13-2 M17e Takerufuji, 7-8 M5e Midorifuji both should slot in at M6e so Take gets the tiebreaker.

When Teru won from M17, the top of Makuuchi was a bloodbath with only 1 person deserving of an M1 spot so instead of giving everyone an extra rank to fill it out, they just gave Teru all the banzuke luck and no one got less than they deserved (except Takanosho going to M1w instead of M1e)

Same with Toku. He got the highest free space without bumping anyone out.

Just unfortunate for Takerufuji that guys above him had good enough tourneys that there was no available banzuke luck to give him a boost.

pseudodragon fucked around with this message at 05:17 on May 2, 2024

Brut
Aug 21, 2007

Is it unfortunate though? He's outside the joi so might have an easier time next basho compared to if he was M2 or M3, if he does really well he might punch through to sanyaku, we know how the joi meatgrinder is so for all we know this might actually be better.

Anyway I was just summarizing the podcast I linked with the M2-M6 thing, I don't know much myself beyond how to run simple sumodb queries to see precedent.

ImplicitAssembler
Jan 24, 2013

So, did we come up with a solution for Kenning potentially not having time to run fantasy sumo ? Or was I misreading that?

Thauros
Jan 29, 2003

has anyone heard how he's looking health wise after the unfortunate injury at the end?

pseudodragon
Jun 16, 2007


Brut posted:

Is it unfortunate though? He's outside the joi so might have an easier time next basho compared to if he was M2 or M3, if he does really well he might punch through to sanyaku, we know how the joi meatgrinder is so for all we know this might actually be better.

Anyway I was just summarizing the podcast I linked with the M2-M6 thing, I don't know much myself beyond how to run simple sumodb queries to see precedent.

Yeah, he's probably better off this tourney getting the lower rank, but there's probably the pride of getting a higher rank that hers hurt.

Not doing anything crazy either, just doing simple W-L=rank change math and just having the Teru/Toku bashos open and manually seeing where guys wound up compared to where they deserved.

Actually listening to the podcast convinced me that M6 was the only justifiable spot. I missed that in the Toko yusho that Yukatayama and Ryuden were given a 1/2 rank lower than they should have so combined with Teru forcing Koto down, dropping dudes a 1/2 rank seemed reasonable.

So I was thinking M5e and pushing Onosho and Meisei down an extra 1/2 each would have been fine but their talk about avoiding over demoting means Meisei would be locked to M5w so putting Toko at M5 would mean dropping Onosato below Mesei as well and giving him a full rank under promotion.

Mode 7
Jul 28, 2007

Haven't really been engaged with sumo since November 2023, but finally catching up and prepping to dive back in and man, it's wild seeing the banzuke and seeing what's changed and what's the same.

What happened to Kotoeko? *googling* Oh. :smith:
What happened to Hokuseiho? *googling* ...........oh. :chloe:

Brut
Aug 21, 2007

Mode 7 posted:

What happened to Kotoeko? *googling* Oh. :smith:

Little man big injuries :smith:

MyChemicalImbalance
Sep 15, 2007

Keep on smilin'



:unsmith:
I'm enjoying the first banzuke with Takerufuji and Takarafuji. Simple pleasures.

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004


anakha posted:

Tokushoryu was promoted to M2 after that insane yusho and he finished that basho 4-11.

I'm actually in favor of the old folks actually showing restraint in promotions this once. We always see examples of guys betting promoted too high after a good basho and struggling mightily at the new rank, which can't be good for their confidence.

Let him rumble with the big boys!

Brut posted:

If you wanna hear people who know a lot more than I do talk about this for an hour you should check out Grand Sumo Breakdown's Banzuke prediction episode and probably also their Banzuke review episode

But long story short it made some sense for Takerufuji to end up anywhere from M2 to M6, with M6 apparently being mathematically most appropriate (but unusual because Yusho winners typically get a bit of a boost beyond the math), I don't think M1 was ever in the cards.

Maybe I should of said I was 'hoping' rather than 'expecting' if only because he seems to be on a real roll at the moment and I would like to see how he measures up to the real best rikishi.

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Brut
Aug 21, 2007

MyChemicalImbalance posted:

I'm enjoying the first banzuke with Takerufuji and Takarafuji. Simple pleasures.

Oh yeah, Takarafuji made it back up form Juryo, just barely. Neat.

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