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Digital Jedi
May 28, 2007

Fallen Rib
KKR putting up some runs

128-0 @ 9.3

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ShaneMacGowansTeeth
May 22, 2007



I think this is it... I think this is how it ends
14 wickets taken on the first day at The Oval so far, Middlesex all out at Brizzle, Little Ben Duckett steams past 150, it's all going on

Ulio
Feb 17, 2011


Digital Jedi posted:

KKR putting up some runs

128-0 @ 9.3


Ya they put a massive total 261. Iyer had a nice cameo at the end.

Good start by Punjab tho, Bairstow caused a runout but he has played really well for the first time this season.

goatface
Dec 5, 2007

I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.


Grimey Drawer
That Notts card looks like a classic example of difficult to settle, but playable once you do.

Punjab are about to chase 262 due to YJB clobbering everything. So that should cement his place for England.

Ulio
Feb 17, 2011


goatface posted:

That Notts card looks like a classic example of difficult to settle, but playable once you do.

Punjab are about to chase 262 due to YJB clobbering everything. So that should cement his place for England.

ya he was benched for the last two matches and punjab still lost the same way .

Ulio
Feb 17, 2011


261 being chased in a t20 holy moly, feel bad for the bowlers but this is entertainment

opposable thumbs.db
Jan 7, 2008
It's hard to say that it's wrong that my life revolves around my dog when she is cuter and more interesting than me
Pillbug
I think if 262 is being chased with an over to spare, maybe you should revisit the rules / structure of the format

Ulio
Feb 17, 2011


HOLY MOLY 262 CHASED WITH AN OVER LEFT LOL

Nybble
Jun 28, 2008

praise chuck, raise heck
Maybe i’m misunderstanding why the worry is on chasing rather than just the high RR’s; is it harder to chase a high total than to hit it first?

Ulio
Feb 17, 2011


Nybble posted:

Maybe i’m misunderstanding why the worry is on chasing rather than just the high RR’s; is it harder to chase a high total than to hit it first?

Ya well you are under the pressure to keep the runrate manageable , while batting first you are more free off that kind of pressure.

ShaneMacGowansTeeth
May 22, 2007



I think this is it... I think this is how it ends
if you prepare pitches that give bowlers sweet gently caress all assistance, you get bonkers scores

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008
And if you bring the ropes in 10 yards

And let teams make an 'Impact Substitute' to get some cow-specialist into the lineup

Airstream Driver
May 6, 2009

The IPL appears to be getting worse somehow.

Mister Chief
Jun 6, 2011

Can we ban t20 talk itt

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

No, T20 talk only

tanglewood1420
Oct 28, 2010

The importance of this mission cannot be overemphasized
IPL in five years will be played on syntho with 50 metre boundaries and teams chasing down 320

BrigadierSensible
Feb 16, 2012

I've got a pocket full of cheese🧀, and a garden full of trees🌴.

My T20 bowling gripe is:

There was a time when bowlers seemed to be constantly trying to/encouraged to bowl wide full balls outside of off stump. The wider and fuller the better. This is because such a ball, bowled well was harder to hit for 6. But such a ball, bowled inexpertly, often becomes a low full toss. Which is easy to hit for 6. Especially with the bullshit slogs that T20 rewards/encourages.

Combined with white ball umpires being reluctant to call wides nowadays, led to a lot of atrocious bowling. And a lot of it being rewarded with low run rates.

And as an old, grumpy purist, I didn't like it.

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008
I really like that counties are getting better at putting highlight packages up on YT for CC matches, but the quality leaves a little to be desired.
Take this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZCUfRbahn4), with the highlights of Day 1 of Durham/Essex - excitingly titled "One of the greatest catches you will ever see" - where we aren't shown the video of a batter in the 90s getting out, and while I think we get to see the ball and shot that lead to the titular good catch, we can't see the fielder who takes it and there are no replays.

Charles 2 of Spain
Nov 7, 2017

Sounds like the same crew who run the official NZ cricket YouTube channel.

VOTE1
Aug 23, 2007

BrigadierSensible posted:

My T20 bowling gripe is:

I think the core issue is bowlers don’t really have anything left to innovate with, without chucking it there’s only so many variations that a bowler can bowl, pretty much every form of slower ball and cutter has been reasonably perfected decades ago, with really the only new variations being pretty niche use stuff like slower ball bouncers. More bowlers have gotten better at more variations, to the point that some bowlers are just bowling variations, but it isn’t really anything new.

Compare that to the numerous new tools 2020 batters have added, all manner of ramp shots, switch hits, a lot more variation in the reverse sweeps being played, and that’s just new shots behind the wicket. One day cricket used to be balanced because a bowler could bowl to their field, and force a batter to play in a certain set of zones. That dynamic is almost entirely gone and leads to a feeling of helplessness for the bowler and makes the game feel unbalanced.

</old man rant>

goatface
Dec 5, 2007

I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.


Grimey Drawer
84 off 27 by an opener is just hosed up.

goatface
Dec 5, 2007

I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.


Grimey Drawer
They should prep the pitches for highly variable bounce and tell the batsmen to armour up.

KajiTheMelonMan
Sep 2, 2004

I killed a Tuskarr

goatface posted:

They should prep the pitches for highly variable bounce and tell the batsmen to armour up.

On the contrary: if batsmen are getting super-heavy bats and flat concrete pitches, then they shouldn't be allowed to wear any protection except for a helmet.

The crowd demands blood!

BWV
Feb 24, 2005


It'll be interesting to see if any of this translates to the world cup and if not, what effect it will have on India's results. On some level the scores were destined to go up (especially in the powerplay) but I doubt were going to start seeing 250s regularly outside of IPL.

The easiest fix is just remove the impact player and allow bowlers a bit more leeway when it comes to wides. They might also consider allowing an extra outfielder.

webmeister
Jan 31, 2007

The answer is, mate, because I want to do you slowly. There has to be a bit of sport in this for all of us. In the psychological battle stakes, we are stripped down and ready to go. I want to see those ashen-faced performances; I want more of them. I want to be encouraged. I want to see you squirm.

VOTE1 posted:

I think the core issue is bowlers don’t really have anything left to innovate with, without chucking it there’s only so many variations that a bowler can bowl, pretty much every form of slower ball and cutter has been reasonably perfected decades ago, with really the only new variations being pretty niche use stuff like slower ball bouncers. More bowlers have gotten better at more variations, to the point that some bowlers are just bowling variations, but it isn’t really anything new.

Compare that to the numerous new tools 2020 batters have added, all manner of ramp shots, switch hits, a lot more variation in the reverse sweeps being played, and that’s just new shots behind the wicket. One day cricket used to be balanced because a bowler could bowl to their field, and force a batter to play in a certain set of zones. That dynamic is almost entirely gone and leads to a feeling of helplessness for the bowler and makes the game feel unbalanced.

</old man rant>

The wobble seam delivery is pretty new I think? I don’t remember it being around much before the last 20 or so years anyway.

But yeah I agree overall, the balance in T20 is way too far for the batters. Interestingly, I think Test batting averages have been much lower in the past few years?

tarbrush
Feb 7, 2011

ALL ABOARD THE SCOTLAND HYPE TRAIN!

CHOO CHOO
I think some of that is down to no one grows up playing long form cricket, and that's more of an issue for bats than bowlers. You can acclimate a short form bowler to tests by bowling them in shorter spells, and when they try the wide yorkers, slower ball bouncers and wrong uns, most test batsmen will just let them by.

Whereas as you've seen with English openers, it takes quite a while to consistently hold back from throwing your hands at wide stuff.

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:

14 wickets taken on the first day at The Oval so far, Middlesex all out at Brizzle, Little Ben Duckett steams past 150, it's all going on

Duke suck (this is a fark joke).

Also the dukes ball sucks.

tanglewood1420
Oct 28, 2010

The importance of this mission cannot be overemphasized

BWV posted:

It'll be interesting to see if any of this translates to the world cup and if not, what effect it will have on India's results. On some level the scores were destined to go up (especially in the powerplay) but I doubt were going to start seeing 250s regularly outside of IPL.

The easiest fix is just remove the impact player and allow bowlers a bit more leeway when it comes to wides. They might also consider allowing an extra outfielder.

The impact player is so unbelievably dumb. I hate it.

VOTE1
Aug 23, 2007

Its dumb, but just making it 12 a side would help.

ShaneMacGowansTeeth
May 22, 2007



I think this is it... I think this is how it ends

notaspy posted:

Duke suck (this is a fark joke).

They've finally fixed the weird bug that simply loading the site would make my entire screen go black until I alt-tabbed to anything else and shutdown chrome

BrigadierSensible
Feb 16, 2012

I've got a pocket full of cheese🧀, and a garden full of trees🌴.

VOTE1 posted:

Its dumb, but just making it 12 a side would help.

If I remember rightly, (and I may well not, for I am both old and stupid), they tried this is a ODI series, where teams where allowed to nominate 1, (one) player who could either bat but not bowl, or bowl but not bat.

I seem to remember Glenn McGrath being the Australian that they nominated. I also remember Aus. won without him ever needing to. And the experiment was canned very shortly after

Airstream Driver
May 6, 2009

It was a thing in an Aus domestic comp too I think but I can't remember which one.

webmeister
Jan 31, 2007

The answer is, mate, because I want to do you slowly. There has to be a bit of sport in this for all of us. In the psychological battle stakes, we are stripped down and ready to go. I want to see those ashen-faced performances; I want more of them. I want to be encouraged. I want to see you squirm.
Would be cool if you could nominate a player on the opposing team that was forced to bat, or forced to bowl at least one over

tanglewood1420
Oct 28, 2010

The importance of this mission cannot be overemphasized

BrigadierSensible posted:

If I remember rightly, (and I may well not, for I am both old and stupid), they tried this is a ODI series, where teams where allowed to nominate 1, (one) player who could either bat but not bowl, or bowl but not bat.

I seem to remember Glenn McGrath being the Australian that they nominated. I also remember Aus. won without him ever needing to. And the experiment was canned very shortly after

IIRC Simon Jones was the first ever substitute in international cricket. And yeah it was in the ODI series before the 2005 Ashes.

Ulio
Feb 17, 2011


Wtf did Will Jacks do? Bruv literally wasted 20 balls doing nothing but then literally scored 100 off almost 20 balls. 10 6s.

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

Ulio posted:

Wtf did Will Jacks do? Bruv literally wasted 20 balls doing nothing but then literally scored 100 off almost 20 balls. 10 6s.

So be Will Jacks?

VOTE1
Aug 23, 2007

BrigadierSensible posted:

If I remember rightly, (and I may well not, for I am both old and stupid), they tried this is a ODI series, where teams where allowed to nominate 1, (one) player who could either bat but not bowl, or bowl but not bat.

I seem to remember Glenn McGrath being the Australian that they nominated. I also remember Aus. won without him ever needing to. And the experiment was canned very shortly after

Yeah it was the ING cup at some point, from vague memory it just made the toss really important as if you had a bowler as the spare you had to win and bat otherwise you got no advantage.

I was suggesting you just allow 12 players, having an extra fielder might be a good thing (10 or 11 wickets doesn’t really matter for a t20)

ShaneMacGowansTeeth
May 22, 2007



I think this is it... I think this is how it ends
Hampshire got spanked at The Oval, slight chances of results at Durham, Kidderminster and Bristol

Ulio
Feb 17, 2011


Mumbai Indians with another collapse, don't know how a team with such good batsmen collapse every game.

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ShaneMacGowansTeeth
May 22, 2007



I think this is it... I think this is how it ends

Ulio posted:

Mumbai Indians with another collapse, don't know how a team with such good batsmen collapse every game.

would you be interested in the England test team, who have some good batsmen and will collapse at a moment's notice?

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