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Jan 14, 2003

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It would be terrible and tragic for like a week and then trump would say something outrageous like "Biden nuked that town" a million times, then all of right wing media would start saying it, then the enlightened centrists would flood us with "did Biden nuke that town??" fact checks, then loving everybody who should know better will start talking nonstop about how outrageous it is, then the controversy over the outrageousness of the lie would get talked about more than the nuking of the actual town. From then on any mention of the town being nuked will be a social faux pas, why are you getting political? Then there will be 5 huge school shootings on one day, nothing will change, and everything will continue to get worse for the rest of your life

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Jan 14, 2003

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Cornwind Evil posted:

In all seriousness, this.

9/11 rammed down on every mental weak point so many Americans had: This Doesn't Happen Here, THOSE PEOPLE Can't Harm Us/Have No Right To Harm Us, and I suspect subconsciously in a lot more people that we think, This Is The Chickens Coming Home To Roost. Then after several decades of supposed increasing paranoia and stripping of rights in the name of supposed security, it happens AGAIN? With a nuclear weapon used for the first time on a live target since the Japanese?
In terms of obliterating the assumed truths of modern America for many people, Jan 6 was definitely up there, literally a violent attempted coup announced and executed in public and filmed in totality from ten-thousand different cameras, nearly successful, the planners too powerful to be punished. The reality of it was so alien to the American mind that the professional classes have collectively agreed to pretend that it didn't happen and carry on as usual until the coup planners try again in a few years. 9/11 may have been much the same if the imagery weren't so spectacular or the plotters closer to home

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Jan 14, 2003

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istewart posted:

I was just thinking about this today; we may think of discrete events like 9/11 or the assassination of Franz Ferdinand as triggers for severe social upheaval, but the tensions that led to those events were already building long before they actually occurred. It's just easier to label them as reference points when looking back. And we've certainly got a whole hell of a lot of tension embedded in our society right now.

I cracked open British historian CV Wedgwood's book on the 30 Years' War tonight, and she starts off making the point that in societies before mass media, it wasn't even always clear to the people involved when they had passed a point of no return. This passage in the first chapter stuck out:

Even in WWII and WWI, there was mass media in place to inform everyone that some intolerable act had taken place and we were now at war. Even with mass media more widespread and embedded in everyone's consciousness than ever, I kind of wonder if we might still be able to miss the points of no return. The attacks on power substations recently were the sort of indirect mass violence/terrorism I'd been fearing for a long time, even if the one in Washington turned out to be a couple of tweakers who didn't really know what they were doing. Will those stand out in retrospect as when those tactics became acceptable to violent supremacists?
I mean as far as a point of no return there was an attempted coup two years ago that never got reconciled

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