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I watched the other 2 tonight and I echo everyone in saying 3 was the best of the bunch, though 4 got close with just having John Darnielle do his whole thing for an entire episode lol. 3 was also just the one that was most directly ripping off columbo lmao. Recorded alibis was always a go to for Columbo but in particular this one was directly from The Most Crucial Game and even has the same reveal where what matters isn't what is recorded but the absence of something.Ishamael posted:Also, like every murder mystery show, the sheer number of murders this woman runs into is astounding! Don't hang out with her, or visit Cabot Cove, or go to Santa Barbara to visit Shawn and Gus. The murders are everywhere! Not only that but she pretty much indirectly contributes to a good amount of those deaths between Okja and getting Ruby to talk to Gavin again (you can also throw in brody's suicide tho ofc that one is a bit different.) feels like the type of thing they might acknowledged as a plot beat later. misguided rage posted:I kinda wish she didn't have her lie detector super power, she's always picked up enough other clues to figure it out anyway and it's a bit stupid to have a scene in every episode like: Yeah same. I get why they did it, it feels like its playing off the Columbo thing of him just kinda immediately knowing who the killer is and just making a fun in universe rule for that always happening that can also act as a short cut.... but so far besides that bit with 3 they just haven't used it interestingly. And also it just undercuts a lot of catharsis with the mystery stuff. It isn't oh hey charlie knows this guy is the killer because they noticed one weird thing and it bothers her cause she is smart like in columbo, its  LYING SUPER POWER ACTIVATE. Catharsis in general is a weak point of the show's. Like ofc the conceit is she has to be on the run but it also just means sometimes the big gotcha at the end just doesn't really pay off, and just the whole confrontation between detective and killer since Charlie needs to move on. Like episode 2 feels like a big let down in the former. And while 3 had a better gotcha it felt weak in the latter. 4 does the best on both fronts between the her calling them a hack and the gotcha really working despite her being off screen for it like in episode 2. anyway show is good but i def have some big peeves with it
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Ishamael posted:Also, like every murder mystery show, the sheer number of murders this woman runs into is astounding! Don't hang out with her, or visit Cabot Cove, or go to Santa Barbara to visit Shawn and Gus. The murders are everywhere! Angela Lansbury as Jessica Fletcher was secretly still her character from The Manchurian Candidate who was psy-oping all those people into committing murder to further her own nefarious ends.
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Jan 31, 2023 19:31
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Saw the first episode. Meh. Charlie needs to join the police ASAP. The bumbling around, showing up at people's homes and properties, seeing it in the murderers faces that they want to tell you to go away but cannot, all of that was one of the charms of Columbo. My advice: change the name from Poker Face to Columba. Make Charlie a cop. Throw in a SO that you never see. Cannot think of anything else, I'll post more as they come to me.
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Jan 31, 2023 21:15
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I watched the episodes that are currently available. It's good, not great. I really do like Natasha Lyonne in it. I just wish the writing was better. I could totally see her in a true Columbo reboot. BBQ episode was the best one for sure.
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Jan 31, 2023 21:20
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I'm torn on the structure because what makes this work is the long Act 1 with an absent Charlie. But the best part of the show is far and away her, so I feel like I'm just counting down minutes until she appears. Which I know is the point and intentional but...
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Jan 31, 2023 21:45
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misguided rage posted:Although I did like in e3 where Charlie told the wife about the lie detecting and in every scene afterwards you can tell that she's choosing her words very carefully to be technically true This is my favourite part, it's like trying to deal with a malicious genie or something. Although it does mean Charlie ends up talking way too much about her suspicions to someone who is very likely to be connected to the case somehow. Basically, this show is formulaic. Just like Columbo is formulaic. It's not great for binging and a bad fit for contemporary TV, but dosed properly it's fine.
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Jan 31, 2023 22:59
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I think it would work for contemporary TV. Night Court reboot was a big hit. This could be a big hit for NBC if they put it on tv.
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Jan 31, 2023 23:03
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The guy in episode two looks like a younger thinner Jack black and it’s freaking me out. Some of his facial expressions and the way he would roll his eyes when huffing and puffing are uncanny jables. Funny stuff
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Jan 31, 2023 23:24
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Episode four sold me on the show. It's a loving hoot. I am so happy and willing to overlook some contrivances for John Darnielle getting to play a remorseful guitarist, John Hodgeman as a narc who's actually just an actuary bad at buying drugs, and that twist at the end of the song being a rip off of an 80s sitcom... Could nit pick plenty, but each episode has enough nuggets like those that just make me smile.
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Feb 1, 2023 05:57
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misguided rage posted:Although I did like in e3 where Charlie told the wife about the lie detecting and in every scene afterwards you can tell that she's choosing her words very carefully to be technically true Same with Episode 1 and Adrian Brody. Every time she asks him a question he would need to answer with a lie, he changes the subject or answers with a completely different statement that is the truth, but not actually an answer to the direct question, like when she asks “What was the bad news that Cliff called you with?” And he responds “Cliff calls me with bad news 50 times a day!” Also, John Darnielle’s regret song was so absolutely on point, and the subtle jokes are just great, like when Al asks Ruby where she found Gavin and she sarcastically replies, “Juilliard” and ten minutes later Charlie is asking Gavin if he’s self taught and he says “nah, I went to Juilliard”
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Feb 1, 2023 06:40
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What I didn't get about e4 was Surely, you get royalties for use of the performance/recording not just the composition? Like maybe not as much but unless everyone's paying for new recordings of Staplehead the band members should be getting something edit: I checked wikipedia and that's hosed, why would it be like that? fez_machine fucked around with this message at 07:04 on Feb 1, 2023 |
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Because people who can play an instrument are a dime a dozen and people who can write hit songs that aren’t so obviously plagiarized are not Like, people argue that the Beatles would have been just as big with Pete Best instead of Ringo Starr, but no one argues that if John Lennon had stayed in Hamburg instead of Stu Sutcliffe they would have been fine And yes, the result is hand politics are horrible and brutal, because getting writing credits on a big hit is the difference between making a living playing music and “eh, it’s a living” playing music And honestly episode 4 was a lot more entertaining having read Dave Grohl’s Storytellers because he was literally Gavin in his first professional band, and every scene in the show was underlined by how it came across as completely realistic based on his experiences.
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Feb 1, 2023 07:49
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Episode 3 is a delight. "Yaaah. gently caress you, dog.  "
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Ep 1 How does Charlie get her phone back after Cliff takes it to play her voice messages? The gig is up, so there's no way he's handing it back to her. They cut to them going down to Kane's room and Jr jumps out the window. Then Cliff shoots Charlie and she flees. I guess she needs it to get the threatening phonecall from Sr, but they could have handled that differently I think. Other than that I really enjoyed the first episode and am looking forward to the rest.
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Feb 1, 2023 13:00
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I thought that section in particular was a little weak and had Charlie taking some pretty wild chances on how things would go, but I figure the idea was that once they realize the whale has hosed off and all the implications that has for the casino (and them!) they were in such a rush to race up there to confirm it that Cliff dropped the phone. What bugged me about that sequence in particular was that Charlie raced up there after them, presumably to make sure they really grasped how much she had hosed them over to make them pay for what they did to her friend, which was just continuing to put her more in harm's way. Something I really liked about episode 2 and 3's conclusions, which I'd like to think is because she's learned, is that Charlie isn't there for either of the murderer's final reckoning, she's just moved on confident that she's set things up so that somebody with power AND a sense of responsibility will do what needs to be done, and she doesn't need to be there to see it.
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Jerusalem posted:
I think she should have clarified when she emailed all the players about the cheating, she also added in the emails, "btw if I disappear its because he killed me for leaking this". That's all it would have took for it to make sense why she was so confident.
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Feb 1, 2023 17:25
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Charlie, Marge, and MAGA Dog are the best new characters of 2023. That is all.
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Escobarbarian posted:The one criticism I have is that I think they should ease up on the “btw Charlie was there the whole time!” thing, I’m somewhat bored of it already. Snooze Cruise posted:I get why they did it, it feels like its playing off the Columbo thing of him just kinda immediately knowing who the killer is and just making a fun in universe rule for that always happening that can also act as a short cut.... but so far besides that bit with 3 they just haven't used it interestingly. Jerusalem posted:What bugged me about that sequence in particular was that Charlie raced up there after them, presumably to make sure they really grasped how much she had hosed them over to make them pay for what they did to her friend, which was just continuing to put her more in harm's way.
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Feb 2, 2023 03:00
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Yeah but there was no reason for her to think or even not to expect that Junior himself would immediately want to kill her as a final petty revenge on her for ruining him, and she couldn't know whether Cliff would sit back and allow that or if he'd even just happily go along with an order from Jr. to kill her for him. Unrelated to all that, I love the bit in episode 2 where Charlie lies herself and she's TERRIBLE at it. Just immediately winces and gives away she's talking complete poo poo. 
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Episode 5 time! Now this is a regular weekly show I’m dropping the spoiler tags for latest episode discussion unless I get a lot of pushback on it so lemme know how you feel about that Another strong one with a whole lot of good side characters. I loved the true crime buffs excitedly naming poisons, Simon Helberg’s agent is good and I kinda hope he comes back eventually, and Judith Light/S. Epatha Merkerson were wonderful. Charlie remains great as ever, definitely one of the best TV characters of the past few years. Laughed a lot at the climax.
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misguided rage posted:There are some really great gags in this, e2: I was rolling my eyes at 'Charlie can't remember the word for something' popping up for the third time in two episodes, but the cut to her playing pictionary with a gaggle of truckers made me laugh] It's a gag but also just a character quality. Maybe I like it more because I feel like I do that poo poo often in normal conversation, forget the word for a thing and end up describing every link or context for that object instead. If we're buying she has a preternatural ability to tell the truth, I can easily accept she's a bit fried and will sometimes forget word. Maybe her gift is taking up the neurons in charge of remembering words.
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Feb 2, 2023 18:22
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If anything I'm eager to see where Charlie is going to show up next. By episode 4 we were having a lot of fun guessing and I'm still proud I figured it out way before the reveal.
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The funny thing is that Charlie should have known that Sterling Frost would kill himself. Earlier he says something like he'd rather die than be the fuckup son.
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Fifth episode continues the streak of this just being a fun as hell watch. Love how quickly the side characters get fleshed out and how they get mixed in. Almost wish they would drop the murder conceit and embrace less lethal crimes Charlie has to solve. Kind of did that with the first episode, but right now it's a little ominous how much of a bad omen she is.
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I’d also watch Minority Report with monkeys.
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If we're gonna make the comparison to Columbo I feel like every episode needs about 20 more minutes. One thing that I would really like is to see so much more of Charlie's relationship with the characters (especially the killers) develop. But instead it feels like we get the first big interaction 10-15 minutes before the end. Like, take episode 3. She has the confrontation with Lil Rey Howery where they kind of have each other figured out but she doesn't have proof. I want to see how they continue playing off of each other after that, but it's already minute 44 of a 55 minute episode (I may be a bit off on the exact times). And then in this week's episode, we only get to the investigation part 28 minutes in to a 50 minute episode. Jerusalem posted:Something I really liked about episode 2 and 3's conclusions, which I'd like to think is because she's learned, is that Charlie isn't there for either of the murderer's final reckoning, she's just moved on confident that she's set things up so that somebody with power AND a sense of responsibility will do what needs to be done, and she doesn't need to be there to see it. One of the neat dynamics, I think, is how she isn't a cop but also can't really go to the police because she's hiding from Frost. It's led to some neat resolutions, even if I didn't really like the episode 4 one. Between stuff like that and the show's general structure you can really see Rian Johnson playing around with some of the ideas from Glass Onion.
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It'd be interesting to see this show with each case split over two episodes. The brevity is definitely to the shows benefit, and I don't think many scenes have shown a real desire to do some Twin Peaks-esque just sitting in the scene.
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Feb 3, 2023 05:31
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OK this is the level of charisma i want from all killers going forward, lmao
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If people are on the fence based on his past work: I liked Knives Out and absolutely hated Glass Onion and think this is pretty great. The first two episodes are still a little bit too much of a "tour of a puzzlebox" - but its still very well made and very likable.
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The sound work on the end of that episode was some good poo poo. You talc’d me, you whore!
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I enjoyed how Charlie's penchant for smugly telling the suspects off in private finally bit her in the rear end. Maybe that'll teach her to get things properly squared away before showing off.
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Escobarbarian posted:Another strong one with a whole lot of good side characters. I loved the true crime buffs excitedly naming poisons, Simon Helberg’s agent is good and I kinda hope he comes back eventually, and Judith Light/S. Epatha Merkerson were wonderful. Charlie remains great as ever, definitely one of the best TV characters of the past few years. Laughed a lot at the climax. That was crazy to me. I kept feeling, during the old lady murder brigade talk, like my eyes should be darting over my shoulders for FBI looking for suspicious chatter. I get that crime TV is real and there are a ton of murder podcasts that go into grittier detail, but isn't that, I dunno, giving details to people who could possibly use it nefariously? Also, that agent is TOTALLY coming back. Not only did they cast an actor who loves to come out on tv shows and doesn't mind repeat appearances, but they did the whole, wink nudge, "Call me if you need anything," drivel. He'll be back. Fartington Butts posted:You talc’d me, you whore! That fight scene was beautiful. I loved that line so much. Wonder if each actress did their own fight choreography. Those are some older women, so probably not, at the risk of breaking a bone.
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Perestroika posted:I enjoyed how Charlie's penchant for smugly telling the suspects off in private finally bit her in the rear end. Maybe that'll teach her to get things properly squared away before showing off. I think that was the plan? It's not super clear if she had alerted Agent Big Bang Theory and Mr. Tablet, but they sure did bust right through the door when she zapped herself.
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Natasha Lyonne rules and turns this show from good to great. I think episode 5 has been my favorite so far. Loved how naturally Charlie sank into the retiree culture, rocking the wrap-around sunglasses and cardigans.
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Haven't seen 5 yet, but 4 will probably stay my favorite just for John Darnielle going ham on Mountain Goat-rear end demos in the van.
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Shabadu posted:Haven't seen 5 yet, but 4 will probably stay my favorite just for John Darnielle going ham on Mountain Goat-rear end demos in the van. When I was watching, my initial reaction was "oh cool, they paid out to get some Mountain Goats on their soundtrack". Then the camera panned to him sitting there jamming 
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Judith Light and S. Epatha Merkerson were really loving good in this week's episode.
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