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Sachant posted:Yeah how could they have possibly predicted this extremely obvious outcome? It’s incredible these companies still seem to employ so many people who act like they’ve never been on the internet before.
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Tiny Timbs posted:It’s incredible these companies still seem to employ so many people who act like they’ve never been on the internet before. Can you blame those people for not wanting to be on the internet?
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I mean I also innocently assumed “oh, like figure and gesture drawing!” when I heard “artistic nudity” and didn’t realized that also allowed outright softcore porn lol. I feel like it’d be possible to thread that needle but I don’t blame them for just blanket banning it again.
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Tiny Timbs posted:It’s incredible these companies still seem to employ so many people who act like they’ve never been on the internet before. They do and they make millions every year plus more in bonuses
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if its only the art stuff hopefully the trend of mass reporting a woman for wearing a shirt that doesnt cover her chin doesnt get results anymore, but i doubt itmutata posted:At least it gave posters itt the opportunity to come out and write enthusiastic essays about where they personally are on the Spectrum of Misogyny. We do like to have fun in this thread don't we?
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Dec 15, 2023 17:46
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Now the kids can go back to watching gambling and not get corrupted by cleavage.
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The body oil industry is the real winner here.
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You can still look at feet though right
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Endorph posted:if its only the art stuff hopefully the trend of mass reporting a woman for wearing a shirt that doesnt cover her chin doesnt get results anymore, but i doubt it better that one million collarbones don’t get exposed than a single incel forced to acknowledge women
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Pigbuster posted:I mean I also innocently assumed “oh, like figure and gesture drawing!” when I heard “artistic nudity” and didn’t realized that also allowed outright softcore porn lol. I feel like it’d be possible to thread that needle but I don’t blame them for just blanket banning it again. It's not your job to think things through though. Twitch should dig a little deeper than a superficial reaction to an idea before implementing it.
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Kith gets the censorship they wanted.
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Itzena posted:Kith gets the censorship they wanted. Hey, yeah, congrats Kith.
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This is probably the funniest way it could have gone, to be honest.
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Itzena posted:Kith gets the censorship they wanted. not really?
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Honestly I am just increasingly annoyed the more I think about it that lovely AI art has once again hosed over actual artists.
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RBA Starblade posted:You can still look at feet though right Jeff Bezos would never take that from you.
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ImpAtom posted:Honestly I am just increasingly annoyed the more I think about it that lovely AI art has once again hosed over actual artists. I feel like the obvious solution here would have been to ban AI art on twitch
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ImpAtom posted:Honestly I am just increasingly annoyed the more I think about it that lovely AI art has once again hosed over actual artists. If it helps you feel any better this isn’t AI art’s fault, it’s stupid loving business management.
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RBA Starblade posted:You can still look at feet though right Pretty sure you can get banned for showing feet in certain ways, actually.
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mutata posted:Pretty sure you can get banned for showing feet in certain ways, actually. Going to see if I can make that one guy's wonderbread kink mainstream enough that twitch starts banning people for having a breadbox visible in their kitchen "I can't believe twitch allows kids to just see that amount of high fructose corn syrup uncensored like that!"
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Dieting Hippo posted:i cant believe i'm asking this but can we have AI chat back no one told me i had a monkeys paw wish left
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The Kins posted:I'm on the outside, but the impression I've gotten from assorted insiders and bystanders, the low-quality demos and releases they've put out recently (The Phantom Fury demo and Kingpin Remaster were tragicomically bad) and really just watching things with my eyes is that the studio was pretty mismanaged to the point of making some very low-quality, low-selling, development-hell-mired games out of some incredibly talented people. Embracer definitely pulled the trigger themselves, but this decision was sadly on the wall for a long time, especially after Volition bit it.
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Kinda lame that the only rollback is artistic nudity, i feel like you can craft a rule that allows for figure studies and life drawing without enabling AI deep fakes But also nothing else changed because the policy changes didn’t allow general nudity to begin with, it just allowed clothed women to not be banned for having bodies. And it allowed twerking.
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seems like they're going through and unbanning most/all of the streamers who got caught in the confusion at least
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I don't really see a huge deal with banning nudity in art on Twitch, it's stopping some things that should be allowed, but it's not exactly harming anyone that you can't do figure studies or life drawing on Twitch. The art side was never the important bit of what they were trying to do. The clarity around what people can do with their own bodies seems much more important.
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ImpAtom posted:Honestly I am just increasingly annoyed the more I think about it that lovely AI art has once again hosed over actual artists. I saw multiple channels that were just spamming out nude/semi-nude AI art based on chat prompts. It was loving wild. Basically "here's a new image every 5 seconds" sort of thing. VostokProgram posted:I feel like the obvious solution here would have been to ban AI art on twitch 
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Phigs posted:I don't really see a huge deal with banning nudity in art on Twitch, it's stopping some things that should be allowed, but it's not exactly harming anyone that you can't do figure studies or life drawing on Twitch. The art side was never the important bit of what they were trying to do. The clarity around what people can do with their own bodies seems much more important. I don't understand while they don't just create a separate category for it. They have their "pools, hot tubs, and beaches" category as a containment zone for the hottub streamers. They could have very easily just created a "mature art" category for anyone who wants to draw nude/semi-nude art. I don't feel like this should be a controversial take but I feel also feel like any stream that is tagged as some variation of "mature" "nsfw" or "sexual content" should not be visible in the directory at all unless you are logged in and are 18+. But that feels like a whole different fight.
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Mordiceius posted:I don't understand while they don't just create a separate category for it. They have their "pools, hot tubs, and beaches" category as a containment zone for the hottub streamers. They could have very easily just created a "mature art" category for anyone who wants to draw nude/semi-nude art. i agree with your second paragraph the first, it sounds like they do not want that moderation challenge.
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Mordiceius posted:I don't understand while they don't just create a separate category for it. They have their "pools, hot tubs, and beaches" category as a containment zone for the hottub streamers. They could have very easily just created a "mature art" category for anyone who wants to draw nude/semi-nude art. this would require them to do work and spend money
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How is “nude art must go in the nude art containment zone” more of a moderation challenge than “no nude art”? I’m genuinely curious here, I have no idea how moderation of streaming services works.
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blastron posted:How is “nude art must go in the nude art containment zone” more of a moderation challenge than “no nude art”? I’m genuinely curious here, I have no idea how moderation of streaming services works. Because in the first instance whenever someone breaks containment they actually have to have site-wide moderators on payroll, who understand this weeks version of the rules and then have to make a call. Even if that call is always, 100% nuke that person from orbit humans are fallible and someone will eventually nuke a streamer that doesn't have it coming.
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EightFlyingCars posted:this would require them to do work and spend money twitch are basically going to go continue to merge and split categories like they did with "irl" until the end of time without knowing what they're really doing
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Putting any trust in Twitch employees to actively and properly moderate content is a waste of time. The vast majority of their moderation is going to be automatic based on some algorithm, and it might only get eyes on it for an appeal if the person appealing is a Twitch partner or has some status. We're only a few years out from there be a culture of Twitch employees accessing streamers personal info and harassing them, expecting some kind of improved moderation policy is a fever dream.
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kliras posted:the "just sleeping" category that afk streamers who sleep during their subathons had to use isn't even a category twitch provided but a game whose listing was repurposed speaking of categories being repurposed, people are still running 24/7 pirate TV streams in the artifact category and twitch still hasn't noticed
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VostokProgram posted:I feel like the obvious solution here would have been to ban AI art on twitch Trying to discriminate between AI art and traditional art only leads to people getting harassed because their pixels look suspicious.
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repiv posted:speaking of categories being repurposed, people are still running 24/7 pirate TV streams in the artifact category and twitch still hasn't noticed
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Tiny Timbs posted:Trying to discriminate between AI art and traditional art only leads to people getting harassed because their pixels look suspicious. if someone is streaming the actual process it's slightly easier to tell
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That happens but surely if you're generating the art on stream it's more clear cut E. Beaten. I don't think there's a case for it though because it seems like only a specific kind of super realistic AI art was objectionable? mycot fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Dec 15, 2023 |
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