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Tiny Timbs posted:Trying to discriminate between AI art and traditional art only leads to people getting harassed because their pixels look suspicious. In the case of Twitch artists wouldn't this not be a problem because the point of art on Twitch is to show yourself drawing it?
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kliras posted:people telling you how to watch pirate streams of various major events on twitch is like something out of "darmok" the best instance of pirate streaming was that time someone broadcast a real UFC fight but overlaid themselves pretending it was a game they were playing
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repiv posted:the best instance of pirate streaming was that time someone broadcast a real UFC fight but overlaid themselves pretending it was a game they were playing
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Itzena posted:Kith gets the censorship they wanted. mutata posted:Hey, yeah, congrats Kith. Not that it's any of y'all's business, but I am a sex worker and have been for over ten years. My complaint was not about ~wanting censorship~, it was about not wanting to deal with a new wave of kids entering my workspace and getting taken advantage of by horrible loving people. It was really cool seeing a bunch of posters being like "might as well let neutral spaces get made less safe since kids are going to get taken advantage of anyway," though! That part was awesome.
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For what it's worth I agree that that's something that should be prevented but you did not get that across very well at all.
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ImpAtom posted:In the case of Twitch artists wouldn't this not be a problem because the point of art on Twitch is to show yourself drawing it? I dunno, I could see it going pretty poorly for anyone using Photoship’s generative fill on details or using “suspicious” assets they made off stream
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Lady Radia posted:posting in the game industry thread about all my opinions on nudity and women’s bodies ftw
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Tiny Timbs posted:I dunno, I could see it going pretty poorly for anyone using Photoship’s generative fill on details or using “suspicious” assets they made off stream i've never seen anyone using generative fill on a stream even though it would currently be allowed i don't think there's much overlap between the kind of artist who would stream their process and the kind of artist that would replace a big chunk of their process with generative sludge, like the whole point is to show the execution of an idea from start to finish, and shrugging and just letting the computer guess what they were trying to do is the opposite of that repiv fucked around with this message at 22:45 on Dec 15, 2023 |
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It was a Tiktok trend to post time lapse videos of your art and it was funny when a stick figure would instantly turn into fully rendered and colored painting that looks completely different and the rest of the time-lapse was corrections.
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mycot posted:It was a Tiktok trend to post time lapse videos of your art and it was funny when a stick figure would instantly turn into fully rendered and colored painting and the rest of the time-lapse was corrections. i liked the one where they put a solid white layer over a fully AI generated image then "painted" it by erasing the top layer as if people wouldn't notice that the "brush" was magically putting down a fully rendered image
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Kith posted:Not that it's any of y'all's business, but I am a sex worker and have been for over ten years. My complaint was not about ~wanting censorship~, it was about not wanting to deal with a new wave of kids entering my workspace and getting taken advantage of by horrible loving people. shut up kith
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oh yeah someone also drew the prophet mohammed with a massive cock, so maybe that was also a big red light for twitch management that lead to their rollback people really wanted to test limits with this rule change
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repiv posted:speaking of categories being repurposed, people are still running 24/7 pirate TV streams in the artifact category and twitch still hasn't noticed Pretty sure Twitch is intentionally not policing poo poo like that and it's up to the copyright owner to press the DMCA button or whatever. Back when they cared about the Artifact category being abused, it was people streaming porn or other gross poo poo. I think it's out of that weird idea that not proactively moderating your users' content at all leaves you more DMCA protected. Source: I talked to moderation people at Twitch about it but it was years ago so I might be misremembering.
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Kith posted:Not that it's any of y'all's business, but I am a sex worker and have been for over ten years. My complaint was not about ~wanting censorship~, it was about not wanting to deal with a new wave of kids entering my workspace and getting taken advantage of by horrible loving people. kith my ath
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Kith posted:Not that it's any of y'all's business, but I am a sex worker and have been for over ten years. My complaint was not about ~wanting censorship~, it was about not wanting to deal with a new wave of kids entering my workspace and getting taken advantage of by horrible loving people. Well this explains the kids learning how to make money part, I was unsure if that was a Fox News talking point or you had some personal history and didn't want to ask. Some context and a deep breath would have made this thread a less lovely experience
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edit: okay yeah the replies make a fair point, deleted
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No one has ever held two or more jobs in human history, it’s true
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Orv posted:No one has ever held two or more jobs in human history, it’s true (i mean like 90% of indie developers have a non-gaming day job)
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Vanadium posted:Pretty sure Twitch is intentionally not policing poo poo like that and it's up to the copyright owner to press the DMCA button or whatever. Back when they cared about the Artifact category being abused, it was people streaming porn or other gross poo poo. I think it's out of that weird idea that not proactively moderating your users' content at all leaves you more DMCA protected. Source: I talked to moderation people at Twitch about it but it was years ago so I might be misremembering. The idea is that if they acknowledge that rights breaking exists by moderating it, they'll be on the hook for it. If the rights holder has to send in a DMCA, they can go "As soon as we were notified and discovered that they were in fact streaming MMA matches and not playing a super realistic video game, we handled it". I'm pretty sure they'd still get hosed in court, but as far as I know, none of the major platforms have actually been in a case where it's been addressed.
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Orv posted:No one has ever held two or more jobs in human history, it’s true I do like the idea that they'd have "sex worker" in the SA profile data
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Yeah I didn't really think that one through, looking at Kith's posts in the thread again I think he is actually being sincere about this issue even if I still don't fully agree. Sorry for being lovely about it.
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kliras posted:oh yeah someone also drew the prophet mohammed with a massive cock, so maybe that was also a big red light for twitch management that lead to their rollback How massive
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Cynic Jester posted:The idea is that if they acknowledge that rights breaking exists by moderating it, they'll be on the hook for it. If the rights holder has to send in a DMCA, they can go "As soon as we were notified and discovered that they were in fact streaming MMA matches and not playing a super realistic video game, we handled it". I'm pretty sure they'd still get hosed in court, but as far as I know, none of the major platforms have actually been in a case where it's been addressed. yeah 17 usc 512(c)(1)(A)'s subparagraphs mean twitch only escapes liability if they don't have actual knowledge of copyright violations and they're not aware that infringement is apparent. (iii) seems to indicate that if they do know (by looking for and finding pirate streams, or getting a notification) they have to "act expeditiously" to shut it down. safer not to look and rely on getting notices from copyright holders.
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Fruits of the sea posted:Well this explains the kids learning how to make money part, I was unsure if that was a Fox News talking point or you had some personal history and didn't want to ask. Some context and a deep breath would have made this thread a less lovely experience It would have been great if someone had bothered to ask why I was concerned about these things instead of assuming awful poo poo about me and jumping up my rear end about it, yes. quote:two jobs conversation It'd be nice if I could do game development full-time, but making ends meet matters more than what would be nice.
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it's workplace lawsuit payout o'clock in the games industry thread https://twitter.com/saraheneedleman/status/1735789317966950524 WSJ posted:Activision Blizzard to Pay Around $50 Million to Settle Lawsuit That Spurred Microsoft’s Takeover
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Kith posted:Not that it's any of y'all's business, but I am a sex worker and have been for over ten years. My complaint was not about ~wanting censorship~, it was about not wanting to deal with a new wave of kids entering my workspace and getting taken advantage of by horrible loving people.
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goblin week posted:I do like the idea that they'd have "sex worker" in the SA profile data
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Kith posted:It would have been great if someone had bothered to ask why I was concerned about these things instead of assuming awful poo poo about me and jumping up my rear end about it, yes. The reasons why you made a bunch of lovely posts don't make the contents of those posts suck less
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goblin week posted:I do like the idea that they'd have "sex worker" in the SA profile data The indelible scarlet letter of the SA profile
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a bunch of people are still getting smacked for drawing, the same exact thing they used to draw, and weirdly its mostly female artists. like drawing a bit of cleavage is getting hit lol. bascially all twitch's 24 hour tos change did was rile up a bunch of goobers to mass report every lady on the site, and twitch is immediately kowtowing to them because presumably people who actually matter got mad at their policy changes, like credit card companies. internet ftw.
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Maybe they should start banning people who repeatedly submit false reports.
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On AI art and artists streaming: There was someone on Twitter who went around taking screenshots of artists streaming their process, then running the finished piece through one of the picture-editing AI sites and pretending that they did the art by hand by using the screenshot as proof. It was a whole new level of lovely.
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if that's the incident i remember they didn't even wait for the artist to finish the piece, they just screenshotted the WIP, ran it through img2img, and posted it as their own before the actual artist could even finish it they've found a way to make tracing even lazier
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It seems like it'd be easier just to ban AI generated content on twitch than have to constantly tweak the rules to compensate for weird freaks using AI to generate child porn or whatever they're doing, given that it's just a constant mire of legal, moral, and ethical issues.
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Nuebot posted:It seems like it'd be easier just to ban AI generated content on twitch than have to constantly tweak the rules to compensate for weird freaks using AI to generate child porn or whatever they're doing, given that it's just a constant mire of legal, moral, and ethical issues.
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mutata posted:Pretty sure you can get banned for showing feet in certain ways, actually. If the feet are holding a gun it's ok.
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repiv posted:i liked the one where they put a solid white layer over a fully AI generated image then "painted" it by erasing the top layer as if people wouldn't notice that the "brush" was magically putting down a fully rendered image
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i mean you dont have to ban all ai ever, you could just ban the 'type prompts into twitch chat and the ai instantly spits out the art' type streams that were the problem its hard to prove art is 100% definitively ai but its pretty easy to prove, that, is ai
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kliras posted:oh yeah someone also drew the prophet mohammed with a massive cock, so maybe that was also a big red light for twitch management that lead to their rollback anyone wanna sign my petition to re-legalize artistic mohammed-cock nudity
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banning unsupervised AI streams in general would probably be prudent, even before the boob incident it's already caused trouble when people were running LLM-driven seinfeld or family guy bots and getting banned when the computer made a transphobic joke or bomb threat or whatever
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