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Yea, and get off his lawn, Mr. Nice.LtCol J. Krusinski posted:You are talking about your lived experience in the capital of the least insurable state of the union, the one that routinely ranks near the bottom for a host of health metrics relating to cost and availability.
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Yeah and that's just your experience with them, don't really see how it's any more valid than those of us that have had positive experiences using the VA, especially when compared to civilian healthcare. But here's an NPR article about VA hospitals outperforming private hospitals: https://www.npr.org/2023/06/14/1181...0care%20system. quote:A nationwide Medicare survey released Wednesday found that veterans rated Veterans Affairs hospitals higher than private health care facilities in all 10 categories of patient satisfaction.
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Here's the thing I've found with the VA: When the care is bad, it will loving ruin you. When it's good, it's loving great. I've had 3 doctors out of many I would consider amazing, and would be willing to send my wife and kids to. 2 of them were VA docs. The other was a civilian provider who spent his entire previous career in the Army, going from Army Medical School (which was apparently a thing? I might have the name wrong, but he had his I Love Me poo poo up in his office) and spending like 30 years in uniform, including being the plankholder for the TMC I used at Liberty (Bragg). He was one of those doctors who looks at the patients as individuals, and addresses them that way. Too many doctors look at patients as a problem with multiple choice answers.
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Mustang posted:Yeah and that's just your experience with them, don't really see how it's any more valid than those of us that have had positive experiences using the VA, especially when compared to civilian healthcare. bulletsponge13 posted:Here's the thing I've found with the VA: I've had good primary care in NEW YORK CITY, they didn't botch the surgery to correct my deviated symptom, and the MH care I've received from one MH provider probably kept me from killing myself out of despair with the lack of direction my life was taking in 2016. Not saying I was close but that was def part of the CYOA if poo poo didn't work out at college. On the other hand, the residents I've dealt with at the VA have ranged from ok (once) to ABSOLUTE loving poo poo (twice/probably the majority). Psychiatrists especially. You can't advocate for yourself or assertively say poo poo that disagrees with them without being diagnosed as someone who "devalues the reporter" and that might have "cluster b traits." Other MH providers I've had who weren't residents were merely ok but nothing to get excited about. I thought the Ivy League referred doctors would be better but surprisingly, they weren't. However, they were at least reliable and competent and they were never as bad as the typical VA MH provider i've gotten. It's like military medicine in that way: the docs either really cared or they are punching their ticket. either way, it ain't got poo poo to do with you and everything to do with luck of the draw and geography. For the rest of the places that aren't affluent democratic strongholds, the VA apparently sucks poo poo. And this is just HEALTHCARE VR&E is the most trash part of the VA I've ever encountered. If I could put every non-vet VR&E counselor (and some of the shitbag vet ones too) onto that submarine that imploded this week, I loving would. And then I'd start over from the top with vets to staff that division. The VA is good if you have nothing else. Private docs are undoubtedly better and more reliable.
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Mustang posted:Yeah and that's just your experience with them, don't really see how it's any more valid than those of us that have had positive experiences using the VA, especially when compared to civilian healthcare. also gotta wonder how hard those reports are gundecked. Because I read a VR&E report that claims vets are super satisfied with the program and I know that's a goddamn lie once I dug deeper into the report.
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I will always, always poo poo on the VA. The VA told me that they saw no evidence of soft tissue damage on an x-ray. A VA patient advocate ghosted on me when I was at (then) the lowest point of my life and had called a suicide hotline. Didn't return emails or phone calls. I got an apology from his boss when I emailed him to tell him I was still alive simply out of spite and cc'd everyone in his office. Never did hear from him though. The VA prescribed me anti-depressants to treat what was probably PTSD, then never really monitored my condition to see if they were working or not. The VA told me I didn't have PTSD, but I was suffering from post traumatic stress. Three years after I came back from Iraq. The VA tried to turn my wife away from the ER after she'd been in a car accident. "Ma'am, this is a veteran's hospital," said the admissions nurse, as though she were speaking to a slow child. There's actually a very large pile of failures the VA managed to rack up when it came to my wife, to include leaving her lying under a bright light when she'd been admitted to the ER for a migraine and then forgetting she was there and billing us for a clinic visit that never happened but just so happened to coincide with a visit I made to the patient advocate to complain about their poo poo treatment of her. The VA did an MRI when I filed a disability claim for my shoulder, which I had been complaining to the VA about for years. Turns out my shoulder is fine. What they didn't tell me was that the MRI showed a ruined neck full of bone spurs, arthritis, and pinched nerves in every single one of my cervical vertebrae which was causing my shoulder issues. I found out about this two years later when I went to see a physical therapist who was able to pull up the VA MRI report. Then when I filed a new claim they denied it because I had never before complained about a neck problem. These were three separate VA medical centers.
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All the things mentioned are just normal healthcare stories. This is regular poo poo in normal hospitals and you pay for the privilege of getting ruined. I’ve only had great care at the VA.
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Enjoy your HIV I guess. That place is a gently caress show for which I do not have words. Clearly nobody is changing anyone’s mind RE: The VA. I think we can all agree, however, that individual results will vary. 
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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:Enjoy your HIV I guess. Shim, while I agree with you that the VA has hosed up, that story is not unique to the VA. Here's an Indiana hospital sued for the exact same issue. https://www.indystar.com/story/news/health/2019/11/25/indiana-goshen-hospital-potentially-exposes-1000-surgical-patients-hiv/4298063002/ This is similar to "florida man" in that people hear about all the criminal poo poo from florida because the public records laws are so expansive. We hear about every bad thing from the VA for similar reasons. Private medical providers do not get the same kind of public scrutiny because they hide everything with settlements and NDAs. It's only when something gets big enough that it makes the news. I'm not trying to say the VA is perfect or that they haven't hosed up. I'm not stanning the VA. I'm just saying they're not really much different from the standard american healthcare system EXCEPT that it costs me zero 100% of the time, I can always see a doctor or talk to a therapist, and I don't ever have to worry about surprise billing and whatnot.
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maybe we should start a leftist veterans organization and see how far we get before we get tired of eachother's poo poo and start assassinating each other? e: shitpost made to get us remotely back on topic since this isn't THE VA THREAD
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Sure, I'll head it up, since my definition of Leftism and my ideas on how to achieve our goals are the only true and objectively correct ones.
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I'm down, especially since I don't consider myself leftist.
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I called both the local and washington dc office of my senator today to tell them that it is pretty unbecoming for my senator to be extending threats by saying there will be hostilities to a disabled vet who has lived in florida longer than he has. This voldemort wannabe is doing anything to try to get attention so he can get some primary numbers to boost his electoral profile. If you don't know what I'm talking about, Rick Scott has released another video where he is threatening anyone with socialist viewpoints with violence in Florida.
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Jun 27, 2023 19:14
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Just join the DSA until the prospect of being in a room with leftists gradually morphs into horror
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Grip it and rip it posted:Just join the DSA until the prospect of being in a room with leftists gradually morphs into horror why are you trying to increase anti-communist recruitment bro?
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A.o.D. posted:I'm down, especially since I don't consider myself leftist. I didn't in the past. But then I look at the world the right wants and compare it to the world I want my kids to grow up in, and next thing you know I'm a leftist.
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Hey, just because I'd love to administer the cure to a bunch of fascists, that doesn't necessarily make me an ally. I gotta vet your cause, first.
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Cessna posted:I didn't in the past. But then I look at the world the right wants and compare it to the world I want my kids to grow up in, and next thing you know I'm a leftist. Yeah. My parents taught me my values, but then apparently forgot to teach me that I'm only supposed to pretend to have those values. And now I'm apparently a crazy leftist.
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Mr. Nice! posted:Shim, while I agree with you that the VA has hosed up, that story is not unique to the VA. Here's an Indiana hospital sued for the exact same issue. As a person who is certified in the ways of sterile processing, 100% agree this problem is not limited to VAs. The VA I did work at though was stellar and extremely thorough in SOPs on how to clean every loving thing that came through the decontamination doors. Documentation on the sterilizers and anything high level disinfected was OCD levels of insane. When stuff like this comes out I am not sure what part of the chain was broken because the article never says, but what I think happened here is that the sterilizer failed to meet the temperature/time/pressure requirements or items were run on wrong sterilization parameters. This stuff happens everywhere, all of the time, but usually doesn't make it to the media unless someone caught it and blew the whistle. There's a lot of travel sterile processing techs I've met over the years that have some of the wildest stories of the poo poo they have seen down in the basement of hospitals that a normal person has no loving clue what is going on with instruments being cleaned and sterilized. Another hospital I worked at that was not VA knowingly sent non-sterile scopes to the operating room to be used on patients. They were not in a wrapped sterile container. They were not peel packed. They were not high-level disinfected. They were only hand washed with enzymatic cleaner and sent to the OR. Then put it a person. The OR also was complacent in this and knowingly used them on patients. This was one hell of an event when the inspectors found the scopes in the OR. I'm not sure how many people here work in healthcare or have worked in healthcare, but the big player in the game here is The Joint Commission. When you are talking to a patient advocate or a healthcare provider and they are not taking your seriously and you feel that your issue is severe and threatens your life or a loved one, the term you want to be familiar with is Sentinel Event. quote:A sentinel event is a patient safety event that results in death, permanent harm, or severe temporary harm. Sentinel events are debilitating to both patients and health care providers involved in the event. The Joint Commission works closely with its organizations to address sentinel events and to prevent these types of events from occurring in the first place. This is what happened at the hospital I mentioned previously and resulted in director level firings. Getting accreditation by TJC is voluntary, but the bottom line is facilities must be TJC accredited to receive federal funding for Medicare or Medicaid (https://www.jointcommission.org/resources/news-and-multimedia/fact-sheets/facts-about-federal-deemed-status/) . Having the TJC come in and rip their blessing away will absolutely destroy a facility. In my personal experience a bad facility isn't going to give a gently caress about your complaint because it is exactly what it is: a bad facility. If they don't listen, here's where you make your complaints/reports: The Joint Commission: https://www.jointcommission.org/resources/patient-safety-topics/report-a-patient-safety-concern-or-complaint/ VA Inspector General: https://www.va.gov/oig/hotline/default.asp
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MonkeyFit posted:Yeah. My parents taught me my values, but then apparently forgot to teach me that I'm only supposed to pretend to have those values. And now I'm apparently a crazy leftist. You're not alone there. My maga chud of a father is firmly dedicated to being every single thing he taught me not to be when I was a kid, when he's not busy stealing my miniscule amount of valor. On topic, anyone here familiar with What A Hell Of A Way To Die/Lions Led By Donkeys? They're basically the only outspoken leftie vets I've seen in the public eye.
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Leftist VSO? You mean like the morgue? They let in 22 members a day. Closest you are gonna get is ANTIFA, but most of those guys didnt join because they would have knocked their drill sergeant out or some poo poo. Alot of airsofters too. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) Arione fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Aug 31, 2023 |
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Arione posted:Leftist VSO? You mean like the morgue? They let in 22 members a day. Dude.....no.
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Arione posted:Leftist VSO? You mean like the morgue? They let in 22 members a day. YEEHAW PARTNER GO AHEAD N TELL EM LIBTARDS WHAT THE BUSINESS IS HEY YO UWANNA COME BY AND gently caress MY SISTER?
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Arione posted:Leftist VSO? You mean like the morgue? They let in 22 members a day. Thread, take note- this is how you show your whole rear end, and how to prove you are a dumbfuck.
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bulletsponge13 posted:Thread, take note- this is how you show your whole rear end, and how to prove you are a dumbfuck. Pretty sure enlisting alone proved I was a dumbfuck. But at least I dont go around asking for commie clubs. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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TheWeedNumber posted:YEEHAW PARTNER GO AHEAD N TELL EM LIBTARDS WHAT THE BUSINESS IS Sure, but you cant watch like you did last time (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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Arione posted:Pretty sure enlisting alone proved I was a dumbfuck. But at least I dont go around asking for commie clubs. Dude, go back to KiwiFarms with that poo poo. You'd rather be a stupid pig and wallow in ignorance and political propaganda than learn what the words you use mean. You are a dumbfuck because instead of having a conversation and learning, you come in here spewing stupidity and showing you'd rather stay loving stupid. Leftist =/= Communist, but you aren't smart enough to get that. poo poo, to Americans like you, "Leftists" means anything slightly left of George Bush. Meanwhile, half the "Leftist" ideas people rail against were Republican platforms in the 90s- like Universal Healthcare. And even if it was, so what? Or are you a fair weather patriot who denies rights to others because you don't like them? TL;DR- suck poo poo through a dick shaped straw.
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Do you know where I can get a dick shaped straw
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Any novelty store that sells bachelorette party supplies.
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It's 2023, just Google "dick straw"
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Arione posted:Pretty sure enlisting alone proved I was a dumbfuck. But at least I dont go around asking for commie clubs. This should be more of a learning moment than you feeling like you aren’t welcome here in GiP or that view points outside our mainstream aren’t welcome. It’s been a long time since you posted here, and man has this place and it’s posters changed a LOT since then. 99% of us are vets now, not active duty. And a similar percentage would count themselves at least on the left side of the classical political spectrum (that hardly captures the current zeitgeist) and are… if not hostile, very aggrieved with American Conservatism. I don’t know where you land politically, what you think, how you feel, or what you believe. But based on your brief foray back here a lot of these dudes are painting a picture of you in their head that ain’t pretty to them. I get along here fine, and I’m certifiably nuts, and have been known to be an rear end in a top hat. The key is to be a similar kind of rear end in a top hat as the rest of the assholes in the hotdog factory that is GiP. Not so much conform, but a little homogenization of your brand of rear end in a top hat with our certified USDA grade D rear end in a top hat here could do you some good maybe. Don’t stop posting, we need new blood. But don’t let the blood be from you being the bleeding rear end in a top hat gumming up the works at the rear end in a top hat factory. Glad you came back.
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Arione posted:Pretty sure enlisting alone proved I was a dumbfuck. But at least I dont go around asking for commie clubs. holy poo poo dude, lurk more and don't report other posters who hurt your fee-fees. You don't get to hide behind the "don't be an rear end in a top hat" rule if you started out by being an rear end in a top hat.
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Arione posted:Pretty sure enlisting alone proved I was a dumbfuck. But at least I dont go around asking for commie clubs. Maybe you should read the thread some. People aren't looking for "commie clubs", just organisations that aren't MAGA hats from wall to wall filled with people simply waiting to die as they extol the virtues of Trump.
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Let's be clear - Looking for socialism clubs, not communism clubs. Be specific.
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What if I'm more of a Marxist because I believe his take on dialectical materialism is *BANG* OK OK, geez just asking.
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CommieGIR posted:Let's be clear - Looking for socialism clubs, not communism clubs. Be specific. That would require them to know how they're different. And I doubt they even know that they are.
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MonkeyFit posted:That would require them to know how they're different. And I doubt they even know that they are. 
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McNally posted:holy poo poo dude, lurk more Hey, then dont use bullshit hypocritical probation. "You're not nice, this is a thread for nice people. User loses posting privileges for 6 hours. FrozenVent" I just said I wasn't the one looking for commie clubs while bulletsponge13 is straight up talking poo poo.
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ASAPI posted:Maybe you should read the thread some. People aren't looking for "commie clubs", just organisations that aren't MAGA hats from wall to wall filled with people simply waiting to die as they extol the virtues of Trump. Well, thats really all you get. In any community style clubs. Elks? old fucks VFW/AL/DAV? old fucks Porsche club? old fucks Younger people dont pay to be in clubs with lovely bars and meetings and bingo, we meet in breweries and bitch on facebook groups.
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Arione posted:Hey, then dont use bullshit hypocritical probation. "You're not nice, this is a thread for nice people. User loses posting privileges for 6 hours. FrozenVent" You loving rolled in and made a suicide joke right off the loving bat. That burns away pretty much all your goodwill and benefit of the doubt.
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