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SonOfGhostDad posted:Remember pizza at McDonald's? Whatever happened to that It will be done soon even though your fries are already cold
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I think people who obsessively listen to podcasts describing murderers and murders have something wrong with them, maybe mentally, even. It's also lame as poo poo.
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ScRoTo TuRbOtUrD posted:The only funny episode of that was the tim robinson one about gambling For sure it also has the overconfident wrestler & the Pointer Brothers. Tried watching the HBO show about the Golden State Killer, Patton Oswalt was trying to give his wife credit for solving the case and it veered between retelling their love story & describing every detail of how the killer dispatched a victim and I turned it off as it felt creepily voyeuristic. You’d better believe one of the My Favorite Murder hosts was popping in with commentary.
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Improbable Lobster posted:i like the last podcast on the left
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Red handed is the one I’m most familiar with
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Feb 11, 2023 07:09
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In a better world, the names of the victims would be remembered, the killers would be as memory holed as possible, even removing their names and just them being called "Gray Thing 02." or something, and all the police would be scarlet lettered for their utter failure in allowing the killers to reach the numbers they did. Still, as long as you hold them in the right context (they're pathetic subhuman scum), their stories can be interesting and educational on certain dark parts of sociological interaction. Shinjobi posted:It's already been mentioned how stupid police often are, but even then serial killers are often caught by coincidence or galaxy brain idiocy undoing everything. They're not a James Bond super genius. This persistent idea is the result of society and pop culture severely misunderstanding the circumstances around why serial killers could kill 10+, 20+, or even more and not be caught. They came to the false conclusion that the police were competent and trying to do their jobs (ha, no), ergo the killer must be smarter and craftier than the police, and this logically progressed to the idea of serial killers being refined and 'elite': Hannibal Lecter is the strongest fictional example. People just were not ready to understand the REAL reasons and problems, namely 1) Serial killers always go after the most vulnerable and powerless targets who no one in power gives a poo poo about, like sex workers, gay teenagers/young men, black women, black sex workers, etc, the so called 'less dead', and 2) The whole idea of a 'system' of laws is that you need repeated patterns, and serial killers drive right through those frameworks. If you want to be able to capably track down, arrest, and convict murderers (and we're assuming this in a false narrative that the police are all at least trying to do some of their jobs), you need to establish the most common factors and look to them. Most murders are committed by someone the victim knows, for easily grasped reasons like greed, or jealousy, or possessiveness. A total stranger who kills the person because the shrieking void in their heads demands utter dominance and control over SOMETHING is completely off the map. Between these two things and other big fuckups (departments never communicating or outright sabotaging each other), the serial killer fails upward. They're not an apex predator hunter. They're a complete piece of poo poo failure in regards to everything. As I think Last Podcast pointed out, killing is the easiest thing that can be done. PLANTS can kill. But that's just how it goes. When a problem emerges, it seems like 98 percent of the masses are completely incapable of grasping the actual problem. Look at the Satanic Panic: that came partly from the idea of child sexual abuse becoming more widely know, and 'society' unable to comprehend the idea of a family unit having such terrible crimes and disgusting needs hidden behind a veneer of normalcy: easier to picture a faceless group of literal devil worshippers. Or hell, Monica Lewinsky. Even discounting what the Justice Department did to her, how many people do you think would listen if you went back and went "This is more or less sexual abuse, the power imbalance here is immense"? Virtually none. It would just all be jokes, or attacks on Lewinsky for being a whore or home wrecker, or people trying to use it for an agenda. People just are not ready. They never are. Cornwind Evil fucked around with this message at 08:23 on Feb 11, 2023 |
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Would it be gross to go to the Crime Museum to stare at Ted Bundy’s Volkswagen?
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I think it's partially an (incredibly stupid) way of dealing with knowledge of horrible crimes - build it up into a wild mythology where the killers are invincible divinely-touched apex predators rather than some nasty creeper who could have been locked up years ago if anyone had bothered. E: then you can just revel in the horrific details until you become comfortably numb to them. The final stage is that you then inflict a blow by blow description on innocent observers (me) and delight in their discomfort and horror. Strategic Tea fucked around with this message at 12:29 on Feb 11, 2023 |
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Feb 11, 2023 12:23
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My wife loves these crime podcasts especially the murder ones. She also loves to jokingly say things like, "I'm studying for how to get away with it in case you ever cross me. Mwuahahha." Should I be concerned? Just how good were these serial killers?
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Dystopia Barbarian posted:My wife loves these crime podcasts especially the murder ones. She also loves to jokingly say things like, "I'm studying for how to get away with it in case you ever cross me. Mwuahahha." no offense but your wife sounds pretty "basic"
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STABASS posted:no offense but your wife sounds pretty "basic"
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TOO MANY microphones in front of pie holes these days, good god drat
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Cornwind Evil posted:In a better world, the names of the victims would be remembered, the killers would be as memory holed as possible, even removing their names and just them being called "Gray Thing 02." honestly the reason serial killers isn't are remembered so much better than their victims has little to do with a "just" or "unjust" world and everything to do with basic human emotion, especially fear and mystery. in many cases we know about killers before they are caught and the fear builds up as they are reported on, and that fear and mystery builds up, socially. i dont think removing their names would help with this problem, it only adds to the sense of mystery and fear, e.g. "the zodiac killer" being a subject of widespread fascination, the "nightstalker", etc.
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Earwicker posted:honestly the reason serial killers isn't are remembered so much better than their victims has little to do with a "just" or "unjust" world and everything to do with basic human emotion, especially fear and mystery. in many cases we know about killers before they are caught and the fear builds up as they are reported on, and that fear and mystery builds up, socially. i dont think removing their names would help with this problem, it only adds to the sense of mystery and fear, e.g. "the zodiac killer" being a subject of widespread fascination, the "nightstalker", etc. It would. There's no reason a common culture of shunning couldn't easily be created around murderers.
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I mean I have read about serial killers for years, but I prefer the solved cases, and more of how they got caught, which very rarely has to do with the police doing their loving jobs. I admit I did enjoy the Dahmer show on Netflix, but I know a lot of people thought the ending was flat. Well dude, his ending was flat, there was no mass shootout with cops where only bad guys get hurt, and no snappy one liners, the dude was beat to death by a loving mop. I don't listen to murder podcasts because it seems way more clickbaity than anything else. "So goblins, today I have a super tasty serial killer story for you! Gary the Scary wanted to have kids so he kept women chained in his basement! How non-like it that! And he fed them dog food! Anyway, back after a word from our sponsor, Temu.com!"
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Piss Creep posted:It would. There's no reason a common culture of shunning couldn't easily be created around murderers. how would you stop people from talking about the dead, those who killed them, and their theories about who did it and why? "shunning" generally means social avoidance, and yes maybe not saying someone's name, but i dont think anyone's planning to go to dinner parties with the zodaic killer. stopping people from talking about mass murderers and their activities as they are happening and afterwards would require a pretty massive social transformation, i'm curious as to how you think that's a culture you could just "create"
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:What about murder denial podcasts See, I don't know if Dahmer would work because once he was caught, he admitted everything. Someone like Gacy, probably, but I think some time has passed and most people just remember Gacy for the clown serial killer and not the fact he had bodies in the crawl space and that most of them were teenagers, and quite a few his ex-employees.
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Earwicker posted:how would you stop people from talking about the dead, those who killed them, and their theories about who did it and why? 1) You wouldn't be able to stop it 100%, but it would be lessened, and probably lessen more over time. There would never be some 0% stat, that's just stupid. 2) You're not this stupid.
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Dystopia Barbarian posted:My wife loves these crime podcasts especially the murder ones. She also loves to jokingly say things like, "I'm studying for how to get away with it in case you ever cross me. Mwuahahha." Studying true crime and serial killer podcasts to learn how to get away with murder is about as effective as studying porn films to learn how to be a better lover. Not to mention that getting away with it barely involves you at all: it's wholly based on how lazy the police are.
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Piss Creep posted:1) You wouldn't be able to stop it 100%, but it would be lessened, and probably lessen more over time. There would never be some 0% stat, that's just stupid. well i'm not entirely an idiot, but it's early and my life is hosed up enough that i'm not thinking straight. but regardless, the way people talk about serial killers, and really murder and violence in general, seems to some degree just like basic human nature and i have no idea by what means you would get people to stop talking about them. it's not like "murder podcasts" are some new fascination, it's just a new delivery mechanism for discussion of a subject that has been a major element of human fascination and even entertainment for centuries. there are famous serial killers going back to the middle ages and earlier.
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Son of Rodney posted:I think people who obsessively listen to podcasts describing murderers and murders have something wrong with them, maybe mentally, even. That's ok, nobody even bothers to think about you, ever.
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Earwicker posted:well i'm not entirely an idiot, but it's early and my life is hosed up enough that i'm not thinking straight. but regardless, the way people talk about serial killers, and really murder and violence in general, seems to some degree just like basic human nature and i have no idea by what means you would get people to stop talking about them. it's not like "murder podcasts" are some new fascination, it's just a new delivery mechanism for discussion of a subject that has been a major element of human fascination and even entertainment for centuries. there are famous serial killers going back to the middle ages and earlier. You'd start with banning news media saying their names. Which would be fun to see how some bipartisan agreement would be met. It would move to social media platforms if they wanted to keep existing in whatever countries. Kinda like Germany and Nazi stuff. By then it would be in the social discourse, and some people would be saying I want to say killers name and some people would be going that's weird. Its an instant reduction in murder discourse that then expands within the families and future generations Few people, even those high on rights, would be against it. The point and the point is naturally in the right direction Wee fucked around with this message at 18:09 on Feb 11, 2023 |
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if it's on IHeartRadio, be suspicious. That's what became of ClearChannel Communications, and they're just as trashy and terrible nowadays. They allow full-on scammers to advertise on the network, so there's all these buy gold now etc poo poo. Plus, I watched one of their murder podcasts get made, and even though it did end up making a break in the case from authorities bc they were pushed to re investigate, the producers themselves were trash folks who had never investigated anything and were straight just accusing people in production meetings, listening to voicemails with poo poo like 'hear how he pauses here, he's guilty!!!' and it was some of the freakiest grossest poo poo to ever see. the person they thought did it wasn't who ended up doing it so if they'd had their way they would've fingered the wrong guy lol
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Piss Creep posted:You'd start with banning news media saying their names. Which would be fun to see how some bipartisan agreement would be met. your first post said that this was a new culture that could "easily" be created and your first step is something blatantly unconstitutional that is incredibly unlikely to ever become law. also, again, i dont know why you think names are the issue. "the zodiac killer" "son of sam" "BTK" and "jack the ripper" are not anyone's real name, so even if you did manage to pass some law making it illegal to say the name of a killer, people would just come up with some other term. or are you suggesting the media somehow be banned from referring to the killers at all? just a mass state coverup of all serial murders? quote:It would move to social media platforms if they wanted to keep existing in whatever countries. Kinda like Germany and Nazi stuff. there are certain countries that have banned the public display of swasticas or the use of nazi uniforms. no one has banned their news media (or social media) from talking about the nazis or referring to them by name. it's not at all equivalent. there was literally a best selling comedy novel in germany about hitler coming back. Earwicker fucked around with this message at 18:35 on Feb 11, 2023 |
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If you outlaw serial killing only outlaws will serial kill
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quote:Alex Murdaugh: The US murder trial obsessing true crime tourists True crime tourists for an ongoing murder trial. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64564568
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Cornwind Evil posted:Studying true crime and serial killer podcasts to learn how to get away with murder is about as effective as studying porn films to learn how to be a better lover. Not to mention that getting away with it barely involves you at all: it's wholly based on how lazy the police are. Out of professional curiosity, how do you stay ahead as a serial killer?
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I imagine cops who are serial killers have an easier time staying ahead
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Murdstone posted:Yeah they're fun to listen to. alcatrez means pelican
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Trixie Hardcore posted:I imagine cops who are serial killers have an easier time staying ahead The ones who are serial rapists sure do! Plus if they just do their killing on duty the state has em covered KitConstantine fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Feb 11, 2023 |
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flubber nuts posted:alcatrez means pelican Space Alcatraz means space pelican
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Colonel Cancer posted:If you outlaw serial killing only outlaws will serial kill Wisdom
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Earwicker posted:your first post said that this was a new culture that could "easily" be created and your first step is something blatantly unconstitutional that is incredibly unlikely to ever become law. "blatantly unconstitutional" No, I was wrong earlier.
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Piss Creep posted:"blatantly unconstitutional" there are laws that prevent news agencies from talking about certain aspects of cases including naming suspects during an active investigation or mentioning the names of victims if they are minors, but i don't see how you could remotely justify or pass a new law prohibiting news media from ever mentioning the name of a serial killer even after the investigation is long over etc. like the ability report the news that "person x was murdered by person y" is one of the basic things the media does and even trying something like that would lead to a massive fight. and there are other times when the media will name a suspect during an ongoing investigation because that suspect is an active danger to the public and people should be looking out for them, so i dont know how you'd reconcile that either. Earwicker fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Feb 11, 2023 |
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i think murder oughta be illegal.
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Buce posted:i think murder oughta be illegal. Only criminals would murder tho
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In my opinion we shouldn't instinctively reach for big government solutions. Instead we should seek to defeat murderers at the marketplace of ideas.
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steinrokkan posted:In my opinion we shouldn't instinctively reach for big government solutions. Instead we should seek to defeat murderers at the marketplace of ideas. I vote for murderers with my dollars If you don't like it, don't buy it!
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Someone should give a depraved serial murderer a podcast in which they investigate normal behaviour like going to the supermarket or mailing a letter
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