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painedforever
Sep 12, 2017

Quem Deus Vult Perdere, Prius Dementat.
Can I watch for now, and then join in later on? I played a bit along with PoptartsNinja during his big LP, and I really love tabletop (but don't get the chance to, hopefully that will change after we move to Auckland *fingers crossed*).

Will you be showing us how stuff works?

When we talk about "BattleTech Classic", is this, like, old FASA rules, or is this the new Catalyst Labs stuff? Is there a difference? By the way, I'm not asking if one is better than the other, just if there are differences, because I have a bunch of really old books (and scans of books that sadly fell apart).

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painedforever
Sep 12, 2017

Quem Deus Vult Perdere, Prius Dementat.
Oh cool, looking forward to it!

My trip out to Auckland got delayed for various reasons, so at least I can watch and see what's up before I try to claim a pilot for the next mission.

painedforever
Sep 12, 2017

Quem Deus Vult Perdere, Prius Dementat.
This is such a great story. Minobu is fabulous. But the book is also very sad (for reasons that I don't want to get into just yet).

As I recall reading, the Clan stuff was already planned when this book came out. Even Natasha Kerensky was always going to be what she was, at least in broad strokes.

But yeah, what a place to start.

The actual first story was Decision at Thunder Rift, which was okay. It went too hard on how infantry can take out 'mechs, which came about a bit too early. The Sword and the Dagger was commissioned first, but didn't get finished. And it was awful. I think it's one of the few novels I've only read once.

I hate everything by Thomas S. Gressman though. I don't think I've been able to finish even a single one of his novels, which is a shame since they're set during Task Force Serpent.

painedforever
Sep 12, 2017

Quem Deus Vult Perdere, Prius Dementat.

Slavvy posted:

Do the novels go as far as operation bulldog?

They go past them to the FedCom Civil War.

Operation Bulldog gets a number of skirmishes and battles summarized, but I reckon most of it was left to the tabletop game.

Three operations get video-games, MechCommander, MechAssault (I think) and MechWarrior 3. Okay, so the latter is actually just after the neutralization of Huntress, but it almost is.

painedforever
Sep 12, 2017

Quem Deus Vult Perdere, Prius Dementat.
Doesn't Bynfield also call him a crazy samurai here? Or is that later? I think that she does get a bit shirty with him because she assumes he'll be nasty to her because she's just a tech and he's a samurai.

painedforever
Sep 12, 2017

Quem Deus Vult Perdere, Prius Dementat.

aniviron posted:

The Panther does get jets, which can be just as good as being fast, in the right environment.

Also it's way cooler, which by default makes it a better mech.

The Panther has two things going for it:
1. PPC
2. Jumpjets

The only other IS light 'mech I'd consider is the Wolfhound.

Is our campaign before that comes out?

painedforever
Sep 12, 2017

Quem Deus Vult Perdere, Prius Dementat.
I'm more of a "seek-then-destroy" type, so I prefer Mediums rather than Lights. I should like the Locust because it's so purely a scout, but that's all it's good for. Aside from terrorizing infantry, and even there....

Commando's sort of the best of a bad bunch. I kinda like the LAMs in theory, but they're so awful in every practical (and gameplay) sense.

Light 'Mechs didn't become cool until after the Clan era. Cougar, Adder, Fire Moth, Hollander....

I mean, there's the Urbie, but y'know, it's the Urbie.

painedforever
Sep 12, 2017

Quem Deus Vult Perdere, Prius Dementat.

William Henry Hairytaint posted:

Mediums are my preference but I do like a lot of lights, they're just very challenging to use in the approximately lance sized battles that you often get in TT or Megamek.

Well, yeah, that's my big issue, isn't it? I've played mostly MechWarrior video games, where you're a prima-donna hot-shot one-man-army. I'm sorta not good at thinking in terms of lances and teamwork, more along the lines of, "Stop stealing my kills, just distract the others while I take care of business."

painedforever
Sep 12, 2017

Quem Deus Vult Perdere, Prius Dementat.

Captain Foo posted:

I just fired up mw4mercs and in your second mission spectre is grousing at convoy drivers, lol

Most relatable MechWarrior protagonist, ever. Hates escort missions, same as all of us.

painedforever
Sep 12, 2017

Quem Deus Vult Perdere, Prius Dementat.
Should be a cakewalk!

... I've just jinxed it, haven't I?

painedforever
Sep 12, 2017

Quem Deus Vult Perdere, Prius Dementat.

Amechwarrior posted:

Flip the script. Sterling and Sable had to make some hard choices and the techs came up with this config with what they had available. One of the techs has an uncle at Ceres Arms and shoots him his field refit data saying "This poo poo is pretty nice, you might want to just make it like this. Not having AC/2s is always an upgrade."

This. Oftentimes, field refits work out so well, the principal is all like, "Dude, that's grody. Yoink!"

painedforever
Sep 12, 2017

Quem Deus Vult Perdere, Prius Dementat.

glwgameplayer posted:

As someone who played the 2018 video game. I ran it because it was the one they stuck you with as a starter and I expected it to be a decent, well-rounded starting mech.

It was not. It was a low-damage, dedicated fire support mech with mediocre movement speed and defenses. Meaning that it didn't perform very well most of the time. Of course, the star of the show with your starting lineup will always be the Spider for me. In my first game, poor Dekker only survived his first combat because I managed to run him outside of the area of engagement once he lost both arms and one of his torsos

Dude! Dude, dude, dude!

It was surprising how useful that Spider was. O! M! G!

"I'm just gonna jump here, and see where everything is." Boom! Instant visibility on everything.

"I'm just gonna jump here, and shoot this generator." Boom! All those turrets go offline.

Really taught me to appreciate Light 'Mechs.

Still got side-lined later on.

painedforever
Sep 12, 2017

Quem Deus Vult Perdere, Prius Dementat.
This doesn't look remotely fair.

Kill the Firestarter fast, step on the Scorpion. Mob the Pheonix Hawk and the Trebuchet. Kick the Stinger if it peeps. Then get the dropship to surrender.

painedforever
Sep 12, 2017

Quem Deus Vult Perdere, Prius Dementat.
They were just copying things from all sorts of Japanese cartoons, right? The Stinger, Wasp, Pheonix Hawk and Valkyrie were different Robotech / Macross veritech fighters, right? I might have the names wrong, it's been a while and I'm too lazy to check. So, they just went right ahead and grabbed the LAM feature from the Robotech as well, were all like, "This might be too OP," and made them a little too awful in trying to balance it.

Yes, BattleTech is a bit more on the "hard" side of Science Fiction. Like, there's no anti-grav, interstellar travel has limitations, interstellar communication is expensive and also complicated, and things break down when the industrial base that has to support it no longer exists.

I really love the setting. They put a good deal of thought into it, which is cool. It's not perfect, but at least they did a little bit of research and tried to think about why things are the way they are.

painedforever
Sep 12, 2017

Quem Deus Vult Perdere, Prius Dementat.

Scintilla posted:

Bah, 'tis but a scratch.

Careful he doesn't... bite your... kneecaps?

I don't think I'm doing it right.

painedforever
Sep 12, 2017

Quem Deus Vult Perdere, Prius Dementat.
Oooh, Hunchback's in a bit of trouble, no? Leg ain't lookin' too healthy.

painedforever
Sep 12, 2017

Quem Deus Vult Perdere, Prius Dementat.
Yes! AC/20 for the kill!

Love AC/20s going off. Just makes me feel good.

painedforever
Sep 12, 2017

Quem Deus Vult Perdere, Prius Dementat.

Space Kablooey posted:

"I got all kinds of upgrades and my 'mech is fully blinged/Sometimes I like to fire my cannon just to hear my own ears ring..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KB8f3Oprms&t=102s

:clint:

Oh Black Pants Legion, why are you like this?

painedforever
Sep 12, 2017

Quem Deus Vult Perdere, Prius Dementat.
This was a quiet turn. Everyone gearing up for the big push.

Ooo, I kinda wish all of them were tiny little miniatures that I could pick up and mash together and make "p-chew! p-chew!" noises with.

painedforever
Sep 12, 2017

Quem Deus Vult Perdere, Prius Dementat.

Scintilla posted:

No orders received for Hunchback HBK-4G: GM assumes control.

So, does the GM get the XP for the kill?

painedforever
Sep 12, 2017

Quem Deus Vult Perdere, Prius Dementat.

Scintilla posted:

:hmmyes:

I think a triple engine TAC is worth an extra 200 XP, lemme just roll up a 0/0 pilot with a laundry list of overpowered traits and quirks.

Was the Phantom 'Mech trait ever in the list?

painedforever
Sep 12, 2017

Quem Deus Vult Perdere, Prius Dementat.
No! They shot the Warhammer! That's the my favourite 'Mech!

Well, at least the Firestarter pilot survived. MVP, right there.

painedforever
Sep 12, 2017

Quem Deus Vult Perdere, Prius Dementat.
I'd suggest sweeping away the rabble first. The tanks and the Stinger, and then the PH.

The Scorpion can go jump off a cliff.

painedforever
Sep 12, 2017

Quem Deus Vult Perdere, Prius Dementat.

D-d-d-double kill!

painedforever
Sep 12, 2017

Quem Deus Vult Perdere, Prius Dementat.
Smashy-smashy kill-kill! Smashy-smashy kill-kill!

painedforever
Sep 12, 2017

Quem Deus Vult Perdere, Prius Dementat.
Well, Stackpole is readable. He's predictable, but he is readable.

Now, Thomas Gressman, on the other hand...

painedforever
Sep 12, 2017

Quem Deus Vult Perdere, Prius Dementat.

Scintilla posted:

Nah, they're fighting to the bitter end.

Really!?

More fool them, I guess.

painedforever
Sep 12, 2017

Quem Deus Vult Perdere, Prius Dementat.
Does machine gun ammo also explode? Is ammo "ammo" for the purposes of the rules? Because you'd think that missiles would be more likely to explode than bullets.

painedforever
Sep 12, 2017

Quem Deus Vult Perdere, Prius Dementat.
That was so hilarious. And an appropriate end to a Scorpion. Good squash-y-ing.

I'd vote for the Blackjack for decent support and bringing the battle to such a satisfying conclusion.

painedforever
Sep 12, 2017

Quem Deus Vult Perdere, Prius Dementat.
Good haul.

Love me some Phoenix Hawk.

I have a thing for a lot of the original Unseens. Probably because their designs came from really talented people.

painedforever
Sep 12, 2017

Quem Deus Vult Perdere, Prius Dementat.
Nathan Howell and Gary Tschetter.

Nathan, because who doesn't love a pyromaniac? And Gary because the dude was just an introvert who was too shy to speak up.

painedforever
Sep 12, 2017

Quem Deus Vult Perdere, Prius Dementat.
The colours in the old are nicer though. A bit of red for the cockpits and so on. Breaks it up a bit, y'know?

painedforever
Sep 12, 2017

Quem Deus Vult Perdere, Prius Dementat.

Scintilla posted:

With all the repairs and modifications completed, I have the techs mothball all of the company’s battlemechs. Mothballed mechs don’t require any maintenance, which saves a lot of money in the long run. Rule of thumb is, if you have a mech you aren’t using, mothball it as soon as you can. Mothballed mechs can be reactivated within 24 hours, which is usually short enough that you can have them up and running in an emergency.

That's really convenient. Not really what "mothballing" means, but yeah, cool.

Are they mothballed with weapons and armour? Because that's even better than what the video-game did.

painedforever
Sep 12, 2017

Quem Deus Vult Perdere, Prius Dementat.

Slavvy posted:

The biggest problem it has is being mediocre while looking super cool

Many such cases

BattleTech runs on the "rule of cool". Not superhard, but pretty close.

Is it possible for me to run this software on my system and just play solo? Because I really like how it seems to give news updates from the wider universe, which is awesome.

painedforever
Sep 12, 2017

Quem Deus Vult Perdere, Prius Dementat.
So, not the Kuritans as a mercenary. No way, no how.

Eesh. I think I'd vote C as the best of a bad bunch. Let's not run out to the Periphery just yet. I don't think we're that hard up on cash (or reputation).

painedforever
Sep 12, 2017

Quem Deus Vult Perdere, Prius Dementat.
We're pretty far from WoB or Clanner times, aren't we?

painedforever
Sep 12, 2017

Quem Deus Vult Perdere, Prius Dementat.

anakha posted:

Ah, the Black Thorns, pet merc company of James D. Long and to date might be the best example of a merc group that nobody aside from the author cared about, to the point where they got killed off by accident because the writers never bothered to track their whereabouts during the Jihad.

PoptartsNinja did a Let's Read of both Black Thorns books and it's as much of a slog to read as you'd expect.

Thanks for this! I'd lost the link.

I really hated the Black Thorns books. It was heartening to learn I wasn't the only one.

painedforever
Sep 12, 2017

Quem Deus Vult Perdere, Prius Dementat.
Oh my god, I'm in a Shadow Hawk with a PPC and jumpjets!

This will be epic!

Is it just me, or are McCarron's really good, but criminally underused in the books? They're reliable and they're loyal to Liao, but they're not a House unit.

painedforever
Sep 12, 2017

Quem Deus Vult Perdere, Prius Dementat.
Well, as Tex would put it, it was a "product of the military-industrial complex".

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painedforever
Sep 12, 2017

Quem Deus Vult Perdere, Prius Dementat.
So, what do you reckon? Me (the Shadow Hawk) and the Gladiator wheel towards the left of the map, and I hop onto one of the mesas and provide long-range fire with my PPC and LRMs, while he runs interference? And the rest of the lance wheels right and starts taking out the enemies there?

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