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Snowman_McK posted:I never quite realised the implication of the fact that they hadn't even decided what kind of gun he'd be carrying. There's that story from the second season of Westworld, where they shot a sequence of two characters who were enemies riding next to each other. The actors asked 'what...why?' the response was a shrug and a 'who knows? we might need it' Marvel was notorious amongst vfx people for shooting entire 3rd acts, giving them to shops to work on, and then going “no scrap that we’re doing something completely different”
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Casimir Radon posted:I would like a good pirate movie again. Which we unfortunately haven’t had since the first POTC 21 years ago. Common wisdom is that movies about pirates lose an assload of money, after a couple of high profile flops in the 80s and 90s. Which was true until POTC came out in 2003. Even the lovely later ones made a ton of money. But Depp was absolutely sleepwalking through the last one and has substance abuse issues that make him almost completely unreliable at this point. My secret ambition is to write a movie about John Paul Jones, an utter piece of poo poo and American Independence War hero who sacked his hometown in Scotland somehow as part of it and singlehandedly terrorized Nova Scotia. A Kubeick movie about this rear end in a top hat would be the best movie in the world.
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Shageletic posted:My secret ambition is to write a movie about John Paul Jones, an utter piece of poo poo and American Independence War hero who sacked his hometown in Scotland somehow as part of it and singlehandedly terrorized Nova Scotia. A Kubeick movie about this rear end in a top hat would be the best movie in the world. I seem to remember a ship named after him but is not sure it's real or fictional.
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The MSJ posted:I seem to remember a ship named after him but is not sure it's real or fictional. There's been five.
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Snowman_McK posted:I never quite realised the implication of the fact that they hadn't even decided what kind of gun he'd be carrying. There's that story from the second season of Westworld, where they shot a sequence of two characters who were enemies riding next to each other. The actors asked 'what...why?' the response was a shrug and a 'who knows? we might need it' The context of that shot is that it's a pickup shot at a different location from the initial filming because Sam Jackson couldn't get back to the set or his schedule didn't allow it, so it was filmed with green screen in a hotel room and with anything available (which is why the gun is different from the finished product, it was just a placeholder) If you had to complain anything about Secret Invasion, complain about the writing or the AI-generated opening.
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Shageletic posted:My secret ambition is to write a movie about John Paul Jones, an utter piece of poo poo and American Independence War hero who sacked his hometown in Scotland somehow as part of it and singlehandedly terrorized Nova Scotia. A Kubeick movie about this rear end in a top hat would be the best movie in the world. And then joined Led Zeppelin, really an eclectic career
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I got an ad on YouTube notifying me that there is an upcoming Disney shareholders meeting and asking me to vote for "the Disney slate." This seems absolutely insane to me, to the point I wondered if this was some kind of scam to get me to click on a link and send someone my SSN or something. Besides the point I am not a Disney shareholder, the fact that corporations are now advertising their shareholder meetings like politicians running for office seems like a big step towards cyberpunk dystopia accelerationism.
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Chairman Capone posted:I got an ad on YouTube notifying me that there is an upcoming Disney shareholders meeting and asking me to vote for "the Disney slate." What's your geoloc, choombata?
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toggle posted:What the gently caress. Just.. what the gently caress Set dressing is union work, CGI is not.
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Chairman Capone posted:I got an ad on YouTube notifying me that there is an upcoming Disney shareholders meeting and asking me to vote for "the Disney slate." There's an attempt going on right now to takeover the board by a guy who is friends with Ike Perlmutter so full rp mode has been activated
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Snowman_McK posted:I never quite realised the implication of the fact that they hadn't even decided what kind of gun he'd be carrying. There's that story from the second season of Westworld, where they shot a sequence of two characters who were enemies riding next to each other. The actors asked 'what...why?' the response was a shrug and a 'who knows? we might need it' There was an anecdote from Tom Holland about shooting with the Russo Brothers where they plopped him in a green cube and just told him to do some fight moves. He asked if they could tell him who he was fighting to better match his moves, and they said they couldn’t. Even when he asked for the general height of who he was fighting, they said it was confidential. He played it off like they couldn’t tell him specifically because he’d leak it, but it more likely just wasn’t set in stone yet.
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Wondering to myself if actually building the sets makes reshoots cheaper. I mean, it's built, it's lit, you just get everybody back there and shoot the new stuff, no muss no fuss. Of course you can't do insane stuff like change the time of day from noon to midnight or move the actor to a completely different location but honestly none of that stuff seems to help the end product anyway. I really miss stuff like Goonies where they would use the sets for, like, the tie-in music videos and BTS stuff.
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It's cheaper in the sense that when execs want to change things arbitrarily, that can be done without much care or fuss.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:It's cheaper in the sense that when execs want to change things arbitrarily, that can be done without much care or fuss. Yeah. And they say pure ideology doesn't exist!!!!
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Mar 27, 2024 16:50
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How many total billions of dollars of reshoots has Disney wasted money on for ultimately mid at best films at this point
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Doesn't matter as long as patriots remain in control.
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Feldegast42 posted:How many total billions of dollars of reshoots has Disney wasted money on for ultimately mid at best films at this point You'd have to tally up all the anonymous payments in Kevin Feige's bank account to know that.
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X-Ray Pecs posted:There was an anecdote from Tom Holland about shooting with the Russo Brothers where they plopped him in a green cube and just told him to do some fight moves. He asked if they could tell him who he was fighting to better match his moves, and they said they couldn’t. Even when he asked for the general height of who he was fighting, they said it was confidential. He played it off like they couldn’t tell him specifically because he’d leak it, but it more likely just wasn’t set in stone yet. lmao like scared Tom Holland is going to spoil that at one point in the film Spiderman fights someone averaged sized. Basically no point seeing the film once thats spoiled.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:It's cheaper in the sense that when execs want to change things arbitrarily, that can be done without much care or fuss. Directors really like that stuff too. They'll keep on sending stuff back to the CGI team and make them work overtime all so they can get the "perfect shot".
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Bad directors love that stuff but all execs love that stuff.
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I was watching a video where someone was reviewing the cinematography of Dune: Part 2 and they discussed the movie's budget ($190 million) and why that movie LOOKED like it had lots of money spent on it vs. other movies that have come out the last few years that have cost similar (if not more) and yet look so much shittier. One of the things they pointed out, that I now cannot unsee, is that a lot of movies are being filmed with the same kind of camerawork as you might see on a network TV sitcom, where the camera is not really moving that much and everyone is always lit in this completely even way in every scene. Taking behind-the-scenes information into account, it's fairly obvious this is because the actors are sitting in green screen rooms and the even lighting helps VFX people adjust everything in post. And the camera-work is because directors don't have a clear idea of what's going to be happening in a scene ahead of time, so they can't get too dynamic because that limits what they can add in post. But once you see it, it's really hard to unsee it, especially if you watch something like Dune 2, or Fury Road, where the camera is going absolutely wild through the action scenes that were storyboarded out way ahead of time, and the it's obvious that the actors and sets are really getting blasted with sand or faces are getting lit up by explosions and flames.
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PriorMarcus posted:You'd have to tally up all the anonymous payments in Kevin Feige's bank account to know that. Yeah, there’s that quote from Eric Idle where he asked an executive friend why movies cost so much more now, and the answer was something along the lines of “it’s easier to steal $1 million from a $250 million movie than a $50 movie.”
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X-Ray Pecs posted:There was an anecdote from Tom Holland about shooting with the Russo Brothers where they plopped him in a green cube and just told him to do some fight moves. He asked if they could tell him who he was fighting to better match his moves, and they said they couldn’t. Even when he asked for the general height of who he was fighting, they said it was confidential. He played it off like they couldn’t tell him specifically because he’d leak it, but it more likely just wasn’t set in stone yet. tying up careless and artless filmmaking with Tom Holland's lovely little fake "googoo gaga I accidentally spoil stuff uwu" routine is amazing in a very sad way, gotta hand it to em
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I think there is a real sense among execs that directing things isn't that hard. After all, skilled directors make it look so easy. I remember that story of Sam Peckinpah basically improvising the Wild Bunch's final walk, just sticking the camera in place and frantically running around directing extras to create a tableau. And, being Sam Peckinpah, he probably did this while drunk out of his mind. Drunk out of his mind he improvises one of the most memorable scenes in a film full of memorable scenes. This isn't unique to cinema. In every industry, you get people who look at people more knowledgeable than them, see them doing what they're doing and conclude 'doesn't look that hard.' my wife works in a specialised field and gets that all the time. 'hey can you just catch me up on this discipline/field of knowledge you've been doing your entire career?' Film is unique in that you see a massive amount of very public praise lavished on people who do it well, while the people who signed the cheques and made it all possible generally don't get that. And it looks so easy...you just stick a camera there, right? It isn't obvious, unless you really think about it, the massive impact you have by putting the camera there and not a foot to the left, by having the line be 'i'll be back' instead of 'i will be back' or cutting away when you did and not a moment eariler. So you end up with people who don't see that difference getting to make those decisions. AI art has brought to the fore a lot of people who feel victimised by a lack of artistic ability and are annoyed that their ability to simply be an ideas person isn't the same as someone who can actually execute that idea. Turns out a lot of those people were already around.
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It's also the fact that you had a lot of auteur directors in the 1970s, and there were a bunch of films made during that period that went way over budget or were just total production fiascos. This drove the execs insane. By like the 1990s, a lot of those directors got shuffled away from bigger projects and to smaller ones where it didn't matter as much if they made a mess. Now, studios/execs want as much cost-certainty as possible and have taken a lot of the control away from directors. Marvel in particular has done a lot of this, where they are just bringing in a lot of cheaper directors but the studio itself has already done a lot of the work even before the directors are hired.
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Snowman_McK posted:I think there is a real sense among execs that directing things isn't that hard. Dovetails nicely into the AI thing. "Art" for people who say "my kid could do that" and they just muscle that into being.
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Disney's strategy seems to be to grab any up and coming directors with a success or two and subsume them into the machine
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Snowman_McK posted:AI art has brought to the fore a lot of people who feel victimised by a lack of artistic ability and are annoyed that their ability to simply be an ideas person isn't the same as someone who can actually execute that idea. Turns out a lot of those people were already around. This made me think of an old blog post by Patton Oswalt about joke stealing. He noted that a lot of people didn't respect comedy, that they assumed that being "a funny person" was just something that anybody could do. That it didn't require thought, charisma or talent or a bunch of planning if you're, you know, actually doing comedy writing or stand up. But that the weird part was that very few people seemed to think that they had a right to be a good athlete, stunt guy, businessman, farmer, etc. But a lot of people acted like they had a right to be funny, and if they weren't, they just steal jokes and fake it. I guess it was just limited to the possibility of stealing the talent, and we're seeing the same thing with other art now thanks to AI. Oswalt's bright point was that in comedy you'd generally see these hacks rise up and eventually hard wash out as soon as they were asked to actually be creative on a big project and they had no way to bullshit it anymore. We'll see if movies end up following the same logic with whether people get bored at every movie looking and feeling the same. If you believe the stories, on top of shooting these vague general scenes they've been saying for a while that executives get to lay out the bones of the movie. That no matter what happened in Black Panther somebody with machine guns was going to float up and mow down a horde of generic enemies at minute X in Act 3 because the algorithm/focus groups/executive's gut says that it drives engagement. The details can get worked out by someone else. There was a really unintentionally funny thing on the Lego Masters show when they had a big Marvel challenge night. They got to pick an "iconic" scene from a set of Marvel movies, and with the exception of the bus fight in Shang-Chi they were all just a single guy leaping toward a big monster with a blank background. They all looked the same and horrible except for the bus and it was funny to watch the judges have to try and work around it.
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Feldegast42 posted:Disney's strategy seems to be to grab any up and coming directors with a success or two and subsume them into the machine The strategy is not to make good movies but instead prevent anyone else from making good movies.
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:There's an attempt going on right now to takeover the board by a guy who is friends with Ike Perlmutter so full rp mode has been activated Do you have any more details on this, because that sounds loving nuts.
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Parakeet vs. Phone posted:If you believe the stories, on top of shooting these vague general scenes they've been saying for a while that executives get to lay out the bones of the movie. That no matter what happened in Black Panther somebody with machine guns was going to float up and mow down a horde of generic enemies at minute X in Act 3 because the algorithm/focus groups/executive's gut says that it drives engagement. The details can get worked out by someone else. IIRC Shang Chi's bus scene was one of the few action scenes in a Marvel film to have come directly from the director, rather than from pre vis. Or it was distinguished in some other way, I can't remember the exact details, but it essentially meant it was conceived and shot outside the normal action pipeline.
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MechanicalTomPetty posted:Do you have any more details on this, because that sounds loving nuts. I don't know much more than what news articles have reported but the guy is named Nelson Peltz and the issue is the same as it ever was when it comes to corporations with shareholders, Disney isn't performing up to their expectations and they want more returns on their investments. The main push is coming from the hedge fund group Trian, which was co-founded by Peltz, and controls about 30 million shares of Disney. Ike Perlmutter owns about 75% of those shares. There's bad blood between Perlmutter and Bob Iger after Perlmutter was ousted from Disney last year. So rich people doing what they do best, being rich assholes to each other while playing around with billions of dollars.
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Nelson is the guy asking "why so many women and blacks in movies". He also seems to think Kevin Feigie is a liability to Disney.
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:I don't know much more than what news articles have reported but the guy is named Nelson Peltz and the issue is the same as it ever was when it comes to corporations with shareholders, Disney isn't performing up to their expectations and they want more returns on their investments. The main push is coming from the hedge fund group Trian, which was co-founded by Peltz, and controls about 30 million shares of Disney. Ike Perlmutter owns about 75% of those shares. There's bad blood between Perlmutter and Bob Iger after Perlmutter was ousted from Disney last year. Is that Brooklyn Beckham's father in law? Also, on the Shang Chi thing, another reason it looks different is it mostly uses Chinese martial arts while most of Marvel would die on it's arse if you took out Tae Kwon Do and Boxing. Please knock it off with the Tae Kwon Do.
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Bar Crow posted:The strategy is not to make good movies but instead prevent anyone else from making good movies. Really it comes down to having directors they can bully around. Look at what happened with Ant-Man, you had a director with a strong directorial voice who quit because he didn’t want to deal with Marvel executives meddling any more. If take a young up-and-comer who made one or two solidly successful indie movies, you can push them around a lot easier.
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Monica Bellucci posted:Please knock it off with the Tae Kwon Do. Never https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqwntLBY9tA
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Monica Bellucci posted:Is that Brooklyn Beckham's father in law? Of course it is!
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I have video thumbnails off and I was delighted to find that this was exactly what I'd hoped it was
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The MSJ posted:Nelson is the guy asking "why so many women and blacks in movies". He also seems to think Kevin Feigie is a liability to Disney. White supremacy is the foundation of capitalism. When the rate of profit inevitably declines, they always go back to basics.
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