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twistedmentat posted:In You Only Live Twice, after Bond is turned Japanese, doesn't he look more like a Vulcan than a Japanese person? No just because he's 3 feet taller than everyone else but the makeup makes him look like an extra in Star Trek, especially that wig. I rewatched that the other day, and I am struck by the fact that, as far as the movie shows us, he does this for essentially no reason. There's no indication that anyone is there keeping an eye on the villagers, they have the poison gas tunnel and the fake lake for that. He just dresses up for the hell of it
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Sir DonkeyPunch posted:I rewatched that the other day, and I am struck by the fact that, as far as the movie shows us, he does this for essentially no reason. There's no indication that anyone is there keeping an eye on the villagers, they have the poison gas tunnel and the fake lake for that. He just dresses up for the hell of it I was amazed to find out years later that the rocket guns the ninja's use were real guns. When i discovered 40k years later, I saw the Bolter and went "oh like those guns from You Only Live Twice". Arcjet i think they were called? You Only Live Twice is the UR example of the mountain lair. I still think the best final battle is The Spy That Loved me, but YOLT set the standard.
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twistedmentat posted:I was amazed to find out years later that the rocket guns the ninja's use were real guns. When i discovered 40k years later, I saw the Bolter and went "oh like those guns from You Only Live Twice". Arcjet i think they were called? They were Gyrojets. But yes, You Only Live Twice’s secret volcano lair with an army of troops and a loving little monorail system inside is basically the cliche “super villain secret base” that gets referenced in a ton of comedies and elsewhere. Although for final battles, I’ll always be a sucker for Moonraker’s insane space battle.
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fartknocker posted:They were Gyrojets. The problem with Moonraker is that its just the final Thunderball battle but in space. Also I always forget Blofeld is Donald Plesance, in that. He's really had a bonkers career.
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twistedmentat posted:The problem with Moonraker is that its just the final Thunderball battle but in space. Also I always forget Blofeld is Donald Plesance, in that. He's really had a bonkers career. Also, imo, all the scuba dudes parachuting into battle is more badass than "let's all float out of a space shuttle" both have their charms, i will admit
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Also the capture pod of they use to nab american and soviet space craft in You Only Live Twice is so absurdly advanced over anything else. Like, it can grab another craft, then land on a hard surface, then be reused. Miles ahead of anything else for decades
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Sir DonkeyPunch posted:Also, imo, all the scuba dudes parachuting into battle is more badass than "let's all float out of a space shuttle" Yea, Moonraker may be one of the worst ones, its still at least fun. And i can't fault them, Star Wars had just come out and everyone had to have a laser fight in it. Its no where near the boring unfun mess that is Die Another Day. There are few movies that made me angry, and that's one of them. It and Rise of Skywalker. But at least that has Jaws getting a girlfriend and switching sides, so good for Richard Kiel. While I am praising more Moore Bonds, I really like A View To A Kill. Moore has gotten very Shatnery in it, but Waulken is great as the boy from Brazil villain, its got some really neat set pieces too, and you finally have Patrick McNee in a bond film. Its also got one of the crazy stories, they're investigating horse race fixing, and it ends up with a bomb designed to blow up San Fransisco. Sir DonkeyPunch posted:Also the capture pod of they use to nab american and soviet space craft in You Only Live Twice is so absurdly advanced over anything else. Like, it can grab another craft, then land on a hard surface, then be reused. Miles ahead of anything else for decades I never thought of that but yea, Blofeld could have probably just sold it to the Soviets or American's and made more money that way. I've not seen On Her Majesties Secret Service that many times, but it just feels very weird. Like for one thing, Telly Savalas is just there, and its kind of distracting. Also the plot is just odd, he's going to cure women of their allergies but in the process turn them into biological bombs I think? Though it does lead directly into Diamonds Are Forever starting out with Bond punching random people going WHERE IS ERNST STRAV BLOFELD??? and without seeing the end of the previous one, you'll not know about Teresa and why Bond is hunting Blofeld down. That's something I really didn't like about the recent Bond's with Blofeld, why does he have to be the poor kid that Bond's family brought in? Why does everything these days need a personal connection? Why couldn't he just hate Bond because he foiled all his plots?
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Aug 7, 2023 04:28
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I still really want a Bond movie to end with him fighting a Metal Gear.
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wasn't blofeld+spectre alternatively a stand in for either the global south or the communist block, as the plot demanded.
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China, not the Soviets. I think there's room for a redo of Dr. No with an evil billionaire with a rocket company hiring the mysterious Spectre to sabotage a rival space company and/or NASA.
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double nine posted:wasn't blofeld+spectre alternatively a stand in for either the global south or the communist block, as the plot demanded. In the books he mostly goes up against SMERSH which I think only appears a handful of times in the films, most notably in Living Daylights?
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SPECTRE was a non-affiliated replacement for SMERSH. Making a film series where the protagonist gunned down patriotic Russians rather than faceless henchmen was seen as a bit of a faux pas for the international market.
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josh04 posted:SPECTRE was a non-affiliated replacement for SMERSH. Making a film series where the protagonist gunned down patriotic Russians rather than faceless henchmen was seen as a bit of a faux pas for the international market. We wouldn't have gotten Bond working with Agent Triple X without the swap!
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Four Your Eyes Only does have the Soviets as antagonists, and it's also the one where Bond just destroys the macguffin they're after- which, given it was supposed to be self-destructed in the first place, means he's accomplished his mission. The Soviet officer who wanted to buy it from the movie's main villain is actually pretty amused by it and Bond's one-liner.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Four Your Eyes Only does have the Soviets as antagonists, and it's also the one where Bond just destroys the macguffin they're after- which, given it was supposed to be self-destructed in the first place, means he's accomplished his mission. The Soviet officer who wanted to buy it from the movie's main villain is actually pretty amused by it and Bond's one-liner. The main antagonist was unaffiliated in that movie, but yeah, the Soviets definitely aren’t the good guys, but sometimes Bond will work with them on Vehicle Eating Craft missions
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Four Your Eyes Only does have the Soviets as antagonists, and it's also the one where Bond just destroys the macguffin they're after- which, given it was supposed to be self-destructed in the first place, means he's accomplished his mission. The Soviet officer who wanted to buy it from the movie's main villain is actually pretty amused by it and Bond's one-liner. As was said, I think that the villain stole the device from the British and was going to sell it to the soviets and Bond had to get it back before he did. When the Soviets do show up they're all "ah well" when bond destroys it. Octopussy has Soviets as villains, but its clear its a rogue element, similar to Living Daylights. I think that's the only way they could really do it, have the Soviets be acting outside of the official government.
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Yeah, the theme seems to be that the Soviets would clearly be stupid not to take advantage of the situation and are portrayed as just doing their jobs as Bond is doing his. The original Casino Royale novel also has the antagonist be a spy for the Russians who are actually getting fed up with his performance as he's deeper in debt from his semi to entirely criminal enterprises not paying off, and Bond ends up incidentally rescued by a Soviet hit squad who come after their rogue asset.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Yeah, the theme seems to be that the Soviets would clearly be stupid not to take advantage of the situation and are portrayed as just doing their jobs as Bond is doing his. also, ugh, Bulgarians am i right?
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I remember the whole "The Commies are our opponents but they're not THE VILLAINS" being pretty common in old Bond stuff, and its a ethos that was carried into the ones that came after the Soviet Union fell too. The ultimate villain is never a state actor in any of the Brosnan or Craig films. The closest was probably Die Another Day when Bond is explicitly captured and tortured by North Korea's government and the plot centers around the fact that they killed a bunch of MI:6 Agents possibly using information he gave up under duress. Even then the final villain is a rogue element.
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twistedmentat posted:
Chalk me up as another one with a soft spot for A View To A Kill. It veers over the line to self-parody in too many places, but Chris Walken and Grace Jones are a terrific villain duo.
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My favourite Bond pastiche that isn't the DS9 episode is this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_SlAzsXa7E
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Ripper Swarm posted:Chalk me up as another one with a soft spot for A View To A Kill. It veers over the line to self-parody in too many places, but Chris Walken and Grace Jones are a terrific villain duo. A fun fact, why Bond makes a quiche in it was because there was a book published called "Real Men Don't Each Quiche" which was horribly toxic and misogynistic, even for the early 80s. And so they had Bond, a mans man if there has every been one, make a quiche on screen. Also quiche is delicious, its just an omelette in a pie crust, and what man doesn't like an omelette?
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I'm trying to figure out what kind of food snob Bond should be.
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I watched all of the Bond films in succession, one every evening, over a month during a lockdown like two years ago and the specifics of most movies have become a blur since except the fairly shocking scenes in the first movies which were not so much "oh wow that was sexist" as "what the hell he just full on raped that woman". I remember watching a scene from the third or fourth movie and thinking that it'd be amazing to do a shot-for-shot remake but with every part gender swapped. It was absolutely amazing watching the decades scroll past in terms of people, scenery and technology though. Anyway my favourite piece of Bond media is this pause music from the GoldenEye game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYFof_Z4UQo
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I'm trying to figure out what kind of food snob Bond should be. the kind that makes pics for *don't touch that! it'll ruin the composition
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For a few months in late 2012, Activision sold a game called 007 Legends, which was released to coincide with Skyfall. It was a first person shooter game in the vein of Call of Duty, except with the strangest Bond plot outside of that Gameboy game where Bond is a kid or something.  The game starts in medias res with Bond fighting the goon on top of a train in Skyfall, and Moneypenny shoots him by mistake and he falls off the train and into the ocean. Except, as he's sinking down, Daniel Craig's Bond wakes up in Goldfinger. There is a dead woman on his bed covered in gold, and his mobile phone is ringing. He has to sneak into a weapons factory and blow some poo poo up, then go to fort knox and blow some poo poo up, then get in a plane and QTE goldfinger out of a window. None of this is contextualised or explained in any way, so while Goldfinger and Pussy Galore bear their exact likeness from the original movie, James Bond is played by Daniel Craig and voiced by someone who sounds tired and unhappy with the material (ie a dead ringer for Daniel Craig).  Bond then appears on a helicopter and mounts an aerial assault in the Swiss Alps and essentially Kramers his way through OHMSS before getting into Licence to Kill where Bond has to fight Robert Davi in South America. Here's Carey Lowell relaxing by a fire  Then it's the worst rendition of the worst Bond film ever, as Daniel Craig enters an ice hotel with not Halle Berry.  Bond also has a car chase with a laserbeam on an ice shelf. After this we're back to the 1970s or something as it's Moonraker and Bond is going into space where he has a laser battle with a giant cannon machine that is going to fire poison gas capsules into earth's atmosphere.   Most of the movies end with an 'exploring for clues in the bond villain's office' bit and a QTE fist fight with at least one person. They are not fun, especially on Steam where they didn't patch in controller support so you have to PRESS T TO PUNCH or PRESS J or PRESS H TO DUCK which requires faster reactions than was perhaps expected of the target audience. In case you'd stuck around this far (the game doesn't have the COD-style lock-on from using iron sights unless you 'unlock' it from the upgrade menu, which takes a few levels) you're then treated to the final movie in the story, Skyfall, which wasn't actually done when the game came out. It released as free DLC at about the same time, however the game was pulled from sale two months later and therefore anyone that didn't buy and play it already would never be able to download it at all (at least on PS3 and Xbox 360). The game also came out on Steam, which is now the only place to actually get this DLC, if you can find a cd key. It is unbelievably bad and consists of a motorbike chase (where Bond can repeatedly drive head first into oncoming traffic without much harm) followed by a square room in a skyscraper with some glass windows that honestly would have looked barren even in Rise of the Triad. There is one man in here with a sniper gun. You have a lovely pistol that does little to no damage and must run away from his deadly bullets and try to punch and shoot him enough times that he falls over and dies. Then Judi Dench calls and says Bond has to go now and the game ends. The entire game is covered in a YouTube video and I would recommend never attempting to play it yourself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsrPOJ0bVwk edit: got the movies in the wrong order edit2: also james bond junior was a real thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Hql9uIHxhs Convex fucked around with this message at 17:17 on Aug 28, 2023 |
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josh04 posted:harping on about a podcast like a sad act but the kjb hosts a. don't know what 'cinematography' means and b. really don't know what 'hauntology' means What do you think they mean
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007 legends looks cool as all hell. Farecoal posted:What do you think they mean when there's pretty pictures/when something in the films reminds you of something about society
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josh04 posted:007 legends looks cool as all hell. I meant what you, James Poster, think the terms mean
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Cinematography is the art of telling a story through visuals, which even the shitcan Bonds are generally pretty competent at. Hauntology is a term popularised by Mark Fisher to describe the way elements of the cultural past reassert themselves in the present, usually referring to some utterly impenetrable trend in mid-2000s British electronic music. - James Poster Esq.
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hauntology is what you have to study in order to get hired at ghostbusters
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Barudak posted:That marathon is how I saw basically every Bond film except "From Russia with Love". From Russia With Love has one of the best hand to hand fight scenes in any American film until directors started watching movies from Hong Kong and Japan.
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twistedmentat posted:I've not seen On Her Majesties Secret Service that many times, but it just feels very weird. Like for one thing, Telly Savalas is just there, and its kind of distracting. Also the plot is just odd, he's going to cure women of their allergies but in the process turn them into biological bombs I think? Blofeld is using the cover of allergy research to actually manufacture and deploy new aerosolized bioweapons. The women just are hapless, unwitting carriers for that deployment. Hence why Blofeld has brainwashed them and subliminially told them not to touch the atomizer. twistedmentat posted:Though it does lead directly into Diamonds Are Forever starting out with Bond punching random people going WHERE IS ERNST STRAV BLOFELD??? and without seeing the end of the previous one, you'll not know about Teresa and why Bond is hunting Blofeld down. You know, until you said that, I hadn't considered that as why Bond is hunting Blofeld down in Diamonds Are Forever. I always thought he had a mission to go after Blofeld and finally got his man. Which makes the reveal at the Whyte House all the more "shocking". Especially since we aren't given any kind of real motivation as to why he's doing it and Teresa's death isn't referenced at all until A View to a Kill.
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DarkSol posted:You know, until you said that, I hadn't considered that as why Bond is hunting Blofeld down in Diamonds Are Forever. I always thought he had a mission to go after Blofeld and finally got his man. Which makes the reveal at the Whyte House all the more "shocking". Especially since we aren't given any kind of real motivation as to why he's doing it and Teresa's death isn't referenced at all until A View to a Kill. The pre-credit sequence of For Your Eyes Only has Bond putting flowers on Teresa’s grave, and then eventually involves Bond using a helicopter to toss a wheelchair-bound Blofeld down some industrial smoke stack.
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fartknocker posted:The pre-credit sequence of For Your Eyes Only has Bond putting flowers on Teresa’s grave, and then eventually involves Bond using a helicopter to toss a wheelchair-bound Blofeld down some industrial smoke stack. Doh! That's what I meant, but apparently had a huge brain fart.
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Isn't there also a reference in one of the other Moore films, where someone refers to his file and mentioned he was married once and he reacts to it? fake edit: Looked it up and it seems to be The Spy Who Loved Me?
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fartknocker posted:The pre-credit sequence of For Your Eyes Only has Bond putting flowers on Teresa’s grave, and then eventually involves Bond using a helicopter to toss a wheelchair-bound Blofeld down some industrial smoke stack. Note that they never actually show or name Blofeld specifically since apparently they didn't have the rights to the character, making it extra lol.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Note that they never actually show or name Blofeld specifically since apparently they didn't have the rights to the character, making it extra lol. Yeah, but bald villain with a fluffy white cat and some sort of accent (I haven’t watched it in a while) is very clear on who it was supposed to be, even if they couldn’t use the name Blofeld by that point due to legal shenanigans.
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twistedmentat posted:
The end of OHMSS was supposed to be the opening sequence for Diamonds (filmed when Diana Rigg was already on set for convenience), so the movie would have started with Theresa's sudden and shocking death. But Lazenby said he was leaving before the premier so they stuck it at the end of OHMSS instead and had to beg for Connery to come back for one more. The reason modern Blofeld is related to Bond is because the idiot hacks who have been writing everything since Tomorrow Never Dies are talentless morons.
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