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Ghost Leviathan posted:Note that they never actually show or name Blofeld specifically since apparently they didn't have the rights to the character, making it extra lol. I think they also did it to give a big middle finger to Kevin McClory who had the rights to the Blofeld character and SPECTRE... basically saying "We don't need Blofeld to make Bond work." And they were right.
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Speleothing posted:The end of OHMSS was supposed to be the opening sequence for Diamonds (filmed when Diana Rigg was already on set for convenience), so the movie would have started with Theresa's sudden and shocking death. But Lazenby said he was leaving before the premier so they stuck it at the end of OHMSS instead and had to beg for Connery to come back for one more. I was hoping they'd at least go full Solid Bond/Liquid Bond with it. Even if they kinda already did that with Skyfall.
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Speleothing posted:The reason modern Blofeld is related to Bond is because the idiot hacks who have been writing everything since Tomorrow Never Dies are talentless morons. As I recall, that was directly the idea of John Logan, who wrote Skyfall before he wrote Spectre.
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daniel craig bond seems to constantly be getting in fights where he's grappling back and forth with a random henchman for several minutes. the guy really needs to learn some martial arts or something. i am forced to conclude that mark zuckerberg would kick his rear end
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It’s kind of funny how reductive the movie bond gets, where he basically turns into an action movie star who just comes in guns blazing at every opportunity. I don’t think there’s really any movie in the last thirty years where they couldn’t have replaced Bond with a team of SpecOps guys and gotten better results
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poisonpill posted:It’s kind of funny how reductive the movie bond gets, where he basically turns into an action movie star who just comes in guns blazing at every opportunity. I don’t think there’s really any movie in the last thirty years where they couldn’t have replaced Bond with a team of SpecOps guys and gotten better results A team of SpecOps guys who, in chorus, go "For England!" every so often and "Hut! Hut! Hut!" repeatedly when moving about.
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Sep 7, 2023 22:32
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Timby posted:As I recall, that was directly the idea of John Logan, who wrote Skyfall before he wrote Spectre. Both of which rank highly for worst Bond movie ever
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I liked Skyfall. Spectre was loving trash I'll agree.
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Skyfall was such cliche tripe dogshit that I skipped Spectre until I picked up it and NTtD at the library for free
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Die Another Day is the worst movie and I don’t think anything else in the franchise is even close IMO.
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that second Craig one is way worse than DAD i skipped Spectre though maybe that's worse too? DAD has lots of good set pieces and scenes you just forget them all once the third act starts because it's such a steep slide downhill it's basically a freefall
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I thought the first half of Die Another Day was really good, then it completely fell apart in the second.
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Air Skwirl posted:I thought the first half of Die Another Day was really good, then it completely fell apart in the second. I sort of agree, though that surfing on the wave thing at the very beginning is rough. That said, I feel like some of y'all haven't watched the Roger Moore stuff in a while if you're declaring a Craig era one as the worst
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Sir DonkeyPunch posted:That said, I feel like some of y'all haven't watched the Roger Moore stuff in a while if you're declaring a Craig era one as the worst I feel like in Bond discussion it's not even worth mentioning Moore at all until someone tries to apologize for him as a Bond.
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I'm not sure if the lower end Moore films are actually more incoherent than the lower end Craig films. Quantum and Spectre are bad for very different reasons than A View To A Kill and Octopussy.
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Roger Moore Bonds are obviously the worst and it’s not even close. Old man confusedly stumbles from hotel to hotel: The Movie
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poisonpill posted:Roger Moore Bonds are obviously the worst and it’s not even close. Moore “fighting” is just appalling, I genuinely wonder how that was seen as entertaining by audiences of the day
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Moore bonds almost feel like they were trying to make action comedies. They have these wild tonal shifts from being super serious to having something goofy happen. But you can often put them in at least being fun. Also, Die Another Day's themesong is by Madonna at her lowest point creatively, just awful.
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twistedmentat posted:Also, Die Another Day's themesong is by Madonna at her lowest point creatively, just awful. Seven time Grammy award winner posted:Sigmund Freud.
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I am extremely confused by this. They should have had Madonna do one in the early to mid 90s when she was probably at her peak, not after that awful American Life album. Madonna was Taylor Swift for women my age, I've been exposed to a lot of opinions about her music.
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twistedmentat posted:I am extremely confused by this. (timestamped) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlbaJA7aO9M&t=60s
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At she knew to focus on the torture scene and the swordfight, the objective best parts of the movie.
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The thing about the Moore movies is that they're goofy but memorable. Take View to a Kill. I remember the stuff at the horse farm, and the guy getting tossed out of the plane, and the wacky plot to flood Silicon Valley, and the mine filled with explosives, and Grace Jones, and the blimp getting tangled up in the Golden Gate Bridge. On the other hand I can't remember anything from the Brosnan movies. I'll take bad but memorable over utterly bland.
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I irrationally liked The Man with the Golden Gun and Moonraker a lot, but haven't actually sat down to watch either movie in well over a decade. I don't remember particularly hating any of the Moore movies, although Live and Let Die is in the running for most obviously dated Bond movie for a bunch of scenes, and he was very much showing his age in A View to a Kill. They're all solidly in a middle ground of mindlessly entertaining to me. Die Another Day I think is the worst. The CGI from basically the opening minute was laughable even when it came out, and while there's some moments here and there in it, most of it was bland to me. I always never really liked Diamonds are Forever, but could never exactly figure out why, just something about it.
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Diamonds Are Forever is silly, but it had some of the best lines in the entire series. When Tiffany "wins" the stuffed dog at the water gun game and the kid sarcastically asks the guy "who's she, your mother?", and Tiffany leans down and says "Blow up your pants." And then when she and Bond are at the gas station and she blocks the other guy in, and he's honking his horn, and she goes "Keep leaning on that tooter, Charlie, and you're gonna get a shot in the mouth." Cracks me up every single time.
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Golden Gun feels like it's a bit of a waste of the premise but still pretty fun. Most Bond movies seem to be at their core a collection of setpieces, many of which you could probably swap interchangeably between movies without really changing much.
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Just gonna complain about No Time to Die featuring a demonstration of a nanobot that kills based on your DNA infecting red blood cells, basically the only cells in your body that don't have DNA 
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Just because I happened to watch an episode of QI that brought it up, did anyone know the James Bond theme started as a song about a man with unlucky sneeze? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6EuzGhIyRQ
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Air Skwirl posted:Just because I happened to watch an episode of QI that brought it up, did anyone know the James Bond theme started as a song about a man with unlucky sneeze? it's an comes up in Monty Norman's legal cases about the authorship of the theme belonging to him or John Barry. a random thought - despite Bond's trips all over the Caribbean in the movies he's never (IIRC) been to Trinidad, the setting of A House for Mr Biswas for which the tune Bad Sign, Good Sign was written. a missed opportunity there.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I'm trying to figure out what kind of food snob Bond should be. Um.... An alcoholic.
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In one of the movies he makes a comment about the vintage of the sherry(?) he’s drinking, and M is like “Sherry doesn’t have a vintage idiot” and Bond is all “I mean the grapes the sherry was made from” So my theory is he’d be way into seafood, and claim to know exactly which fishing ground a specific piece of tuna came from, and the time of day it was caught
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Sir DonkeyPunch posted:So my theory is he’d be way into seafood, and claim to know exactly which fishing ground a specific piece of tuna came from, and the time of day it was caught I mean, he literally does a "Beluga caviar from the north of the Caspian" in one movie, doesn't he? edit: Looked it up, it's in OHMSS. Magnetic North fucked around with this message at 09:31 on Nov 14, 2023 |
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Which is really funny because in the books he eats like poo poo and drinks plastic bottle gin. He is a metaphor for England you see.
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Magnetic North posted:I mean, he literally does a "Beluga caviar from the north of the Caspian" in one movie, doesn't he? i'll confess to only watching that one once, ages ago
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I'm trying to figure out what kind of food snob Bond should be. quote:M. smiled at him indulgently. “It’s your funeral,” he said.—“Now we’d better get on with our dinner. How were the cutlets?” From Moonraker, and at this point Bond is up to his tits in meth (the 'it's your funeral' quip by M) but I think it's more evidence for Book Bond being a hideous monster.
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When they do new bonds again, I really hope they do at least one where a villain has a lair in an inaccessible location thats filled with Henchman Bond has to get through to beat the villain and stop his, I dunno, computer virus that makes everything into an NFT or something. Also no more Bond movies where he's got a direct personal connection to the villain or anything else. Why did you feel the need to make Bloefeld Bond's secret Half Brother?
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twistedmentat posted:Also no more Bond movies where he's got a direct personal connection to the villain or anything else. Why did you feel the need to make Bloefeld Bond's secret Half Brother? parallel for european royalty
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twistedmentat posted:When they do new bonds again, I really hope they do at least one where a villain has a lair in an inaccessible location thats filled with Henchman Bond has to get through to beat the villain and stop his, I dunno, computer virus that makes everything into an NFT or something. I'd be down for this if they actually went full Liquid Bond with it. But you gotta go full Metal Gear melodrama and also pro wrestling callouts and showdowns and shirtless dudes throwing each other about.
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twistedmentat posted:That's something I really didn't like about the recent Bond's with Blofeld, why does he have to be the poor kid that Bond's family brought in? Why does everything these days need a personal connection? Why couldn't he just hate Bond because he foiled all his plots? My take on this: they wanted to make him familiar to the audience even if they haven't followed the Bond series history. Thing is, Blofeld really is coming from too far back in the past now to be able to do that to the extent that they'd like, so instead they went the roundabout way of making him an old chum of Bond so it might click with the audience: "Oh! I remember now! This guy is DR. EVIL! Wow, this is a big deal." twistedmentat posted:I've not seen On Her Majesties Secret Service that many times, but it just feels very weird. Like for one thing, Telly Savalas is just there, and its kind of distracting. Also the plot is just odd, he's going to cure women of their allergies but in the process turn them into biological bombs I think? Though it does lead directly into Diamonds Are Forever starting out with Bond punching random people going WHERE IS ERNST STRAV BLOFELD??? and without seeing the end of the previous one, you'll not know about Teresa and why Bond is hunting Blofeld down. The impression I got watching Diamonds Are Forever is that they were presenting the audience a "choose your own backstory." If you're fine having Connery directly follow up On Her Majesty's Secret Service, you can take Bond's aggressive search for Blofeld as his pursuit of revenge against the man who killed his wife. If you'd rather this movie keep itself separate from OHMSS, you're free to do that, too, and view it as Bond is angrily searching for Blofeld because he managed to escape from him in You Only Live Twice (and, if you prefer, Blofeld was also responsible for previous girlfriend Aki's death (as well as a number of other women he's slept with, come to think of it...)). The beginning even starts out in Japan. Now I don't know if they were actually going for that "intentionally ambiguous" route or not, but if they were I don't think they quite pulled it off, because instead of being perfectly malleable, the result actually just doesn't fit comfortably with either prior film.
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twistedmentat posted:A fun fact, why Bond makes a quiche in it was because there was a book published called "Real Men Don't Each Quiche" which was horribly toxic and misogynistic, even for the early 80s. And so they had Bond, a mans man if there has every been one, make a quiche on screen. Also quiche is delicious, its just an omelette in a pie crust, and what man doesn't like an omelette? Funner fact, the author of that book would later write the screenplays to "Goldeneye", "Tomorrow Never Dies", and "The World is Not Enough"
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