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used to be one could just feel inadequate sometimes. now they've got the lack of likes on their latest tiktok dance video to prove it.
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fart simpson posted:well yes i think he’s partially correct same, i think you and i are probably more ideologically aligned than bob and i. but he's not entirely wrong
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"this tiktok ban is stupid" oh yuou think so? the nature of man is conflict - in a word, war. to get some perspective, lets go back 2000 years into the past, of humanity-
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personally i’m for the tiktok ban, because i personally do not like the site
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mila kunis posted:"this tiktok ban is stupid" this but unironically divestment now, missiles in 5 years prolly
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mila kunis posted:"this tiktok ban is stupid"
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mila kunis posted:"this tiktok ban is stupid" lol
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bob dobbs is dead posted:this but unironically brb goona buy some lockheed martin and raytheon shares
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Eeyo posted:personally i’m for the tiktok ban, because i personally do not like the site
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Eeyo posted:personally i’m for the tiktok ban, because i personally do not like the site it won't be banned, there will almost certainly be a forced sale to some huge american tech company. probably oracle since they already have their claws into it but the upshot is that oracle will almost certainly ruin it, so
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Tijuana-A-Go-Go posted:all windows on arm needs to do is render web pages quickly, and with low power consumption oh, is that all? have you looked at webpages recently?
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windows phone was win 10 arm and it ran great even on a piece of poo poo snapdragon.
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dioxazine posted:i for one hope they don't sell and just leave the US market entirely i hope they stay in the us market and senators continue to get mad about teens talking about the genocide in gaza
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mila kunis posted:i hope they stay in the us market and senators continue to get mad about teens talking about the genocide in gaza
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it's very funny to imagine oracle running a social network for teens
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Beeftweeter posted:i wouldn't be surprised if ms starts their own cpu design team. seems like that's the direction most of the industry is headed in anyway, amazon has one, google has one, meta has one, and of course so does apple, etc. this is a touch misleading because “cpu design team” can basically mean “arranging ip cores exactly the way you want” or it can be what apple is doing
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nrook posted:it's very funny to imagine oracle running a social network for teens imagine the subscription options
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hobbesmaster posted:oh, is that all? this pisses me off constantly. i've got a iphone 8 and loading a recipe website drains the battery 5% a minute and makes it hot
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hobbesmaster posted:this is a touch misleading because “cpu design team” can basically mean “arranging ip cores exactly the way you want” or it can be what apple is doing i suppose so, although it's kind of a "six of one, half a dozen of the other" kind of thing. you don't get much wiggle room when it's licensing ip cores, although having a large-ish team that has been doing cpus for decades as apple has certainly yields decent results. but MS has a market cap that's almost a trillion dollars more than apple's now, they can afford it hell they could probably just buy qualcomm
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mila kunis posted:i hope they stay in the us market and senators continue to get mad about teens talking about the genocide in gaza that is one very good bright side, but with oracle in charge that would be doubtful. i'm mostly viewing it from the viewpoint that americans deserve facebook and twitter
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mila kunis posted:i hope they stay in the us market and senators continue to get mad about teens talking about the genocide in gaza also this
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Beeftweeter posted:i wouldn't be surprised if ms starts their own cpu design team. seems like that's the direction most of the industry is headed in anyway, amazon has one, google has one, meta has one, and of course so does apple, etc. i am sure microsoft has one asic or other related to the data centers. for putting in a consumer device? nah, i think it is largely a folly to do, and i suspect microsoft still has that particular aspect of their business idea on lock. i.e., don't give a poo poo who makes the bits where the margins are not. put the basic, your cp/m clone, windows of all flavors on whatever people will pay for. make a unix clone, put together a linux distro, never waver from having office available in as good a form as you can make on the (at many times) also-ran, never know when it'll pay off. the web? think it'll kill your os business? w/e, be first onboard pushing your cash cow apps on there, if people will buy a subscription it's fine that you want to use it on some broken os. e: sun making a big push for solaris thin clients? lets port internet explorer to solaris. that kind of poo poo. Cybernetic Vermin fucked around with this message at 19:42 on Apr 24, 2024 |
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dioxazine posted:i for one hope they don't sell and just leave the US market entirely i hope they don't sell and don't leave the U.S. market just close down their U.S. offices and corporate entities, fire their U.S. employees and serve all the U.S. bound traffic out of european data centers. technically they'd be in compliance with the law and so would their providers as long as they pick providers that aren't U.S. based (i think? maybe) if it burns down all the poo poo tier european cloud providers like OVH and hetzner and congests the gently caress out of all the transatlantic transit capacity... ok, who cares? it'd be like any given day on the internet in east asia
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shackleford posted:i hope they don't sell and don't leave the U.S. market i like this idea and agree with it
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:i am sure microsoft has one asic or other related to the data centers. for putting in a consumer device? nah, i think it is largely a folly to do, and i suspect microsoft stil has that particular business idea on lock. it's funny, that's basically been their strategy from the start — remember, MS had xenix (and sold it to SCO), dos was a (compatible, even) CP/M clone, and microsoft BASIC was available on pretty much any computer that had a manufacturer willing to work with them to port it. it was only really once windows took off that they started making things exclusive and proprietary to their own platform but even then the big sellers like office continued to be available on the mac. back when they made that commitment, there was no way they'd make any money on that investment, the mac user base was just too small. but they still did it. hell there was even internet explorer for mac and unix for a while. and even today they're getting very flirty with linux but yeah i'm sure they do have some custom ASICs around, but no cpu to really call their own (if you can even do that with an arm design). i don't think it'd be as useless in the consumer space as you do (xbox still sells very well), but yeah i'd expect them to target businesses first. consumers aren't what they're chasing anymore
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Beeftweeter posted:it's funny, that's basically been their strategy from the start — remember, MS had xenix (and sold it to SCO), dos was a (compatible, even) CP/M clone, and microsoft BASIC was available on pretty much any computer that had a manufacturer willing to work with them to port it. it was only really once windows took off that they started making things exclusive and proprietary to their own platform i think you are explaining my post to me here, i indeed am referencing precisely those things. windows pre-nt didn't go on *many* things, but they then had the os/2 play in the wings to go elsewhere, and then once nt rolled around they prepped that to go on *everything* (thinking as most that some risc revolution was happening)
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Beeftweeter posted:i suppose so, although it's kind of a "six of one, half a dozen of the other" kind of thing. you don't get much wiggle room when it's licensing ip cores, although having a large-ish team that has been doing cpus for decades as apple has certainly yields decent results. but MS has a market cap that's almost a trillion dollars more than apple's now, they can afford it just throwing money at designing better application cores doesn’t seem to work
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:i think you are explaining my post to me here, i indeed am referencing precisely those things. windows pre-nt didn't go on *many* things, but they then had the os/2 play in the wings to go elsewhere, and then once nt rolled around they prepped that to go on *everything* (thinking as most that some risc revolution was happening) i know you were referencing them, i was agreeing with and expanding upon your point lol but yeah, you're right again, even NT was prepped (and indeed briefly appeared on) a ton of other platforms. they even had an itanium port for a while; now they're getting serious about their ARM port so it's nothing new, but most of us that aren't hbag-aged already knew that. what would be new is it appearing on (perhaps exclusively, but i doubt that will happen unless it somehow takes off in a way that eclipses the rest of the industry) a microsoft-branded cpu, but again that's just conjecture that may or may not pan out hobbesmaster posted:just throwing money at designing better application cores doesn’t seem to work well, if that's the only trick everyone has up their sleeve then we're pretty hosed (or at least hitting a wall)
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Beeftweeter posted:well, if that's the only trick everyone has up their sleeve then we're pretty hosed (or at least hitting a wall) more itanics!
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Shaggar posted:windows phone was win 10 arm and it ran great even on a piece of poo poo snapdragon. yeah, it ran great away from market relevancy and died
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:3d printing is a good comparison, because the hype and investor case was as stupid, but there's significant and rather interesting use-cases once you get past that. most of these tech bubble technologies are perfectly valid and useful in their niches. the problem is they don't continue growing infinitely forever, which makes them worthless to the investors that drive all this idiocy. all they're looking for is the next tortilla chip Sagebrush fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Apr 24, 2024 |
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Sagebrush posted:most of these tech bubble technologies are perfectly valid and useful in their niches. the problem is they don't continue growing infinitely forever, which makes them worthless to the investors that drive all this idiocy. that is ideal since i like technology and cool things that do things, but also love seeing investors eat poo poo
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Beeftweeter posted:but even then the big sellers like office continued to be available on the mac. back when they made that commitment, there was no way they'd make any money on that investment, the mac user base was just too small.
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infernal machines posted:imagine the subscription options
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Chris Knight posted:wrong. office on mac was one of their reliable sellers and was always profitable. the mac business unit as a whole. iirc it was not anywhere near profitable?
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Beeftweeter posted:the mac business unit as a whole. iirc it was not anywhere near profitable? i would be unsurprised if it had been profitable always. like, software engineers are kind of expensive, but we're talking some relaxed 9-5 maintainance and iterating on an existing thing, and in this instance a thing that is pretty ubiquitous. it might have sold enough to pay for itself every quarter ever. and it for sure paid for itself the moment you weigh in keeping people in the fold and the potential for things shifting such that it becomes important (which it rather did, by way of ios, but a mac user getting into ios will have found very little friction being on an office workflow at any point).
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Sagebrush posted:most of these tech bubble technologies are perfectly valid and useful in their niches. the problem is they don't continue growing infinitely forever, which makes them worthless to the investors that drive all this idiocy. in 2010 you could say "ok thats all good, but what will next engine of growth once the digital media and smartphone/app markets mature and stabilize and consolidate" and the answer would be "well, there are so many interesting new technologies that might be the next big thing - vr/ar/metverse, robotics, drones, quantum computers, self-driving cars, 3d printing, internet of things, personal assistants, ai - that surely one or more of them will take off the way the pc (and internet and smartphone and etc) did in their day!" except that none of those have taken off. theyve all had huge amounts of r&d money poured into and they have almost no actual products with broad consumer or enterprise adaptation. tech has been a reliable moneymaker for investors for forty years now but unless another hit product category comes along the money people will direct their investment dollars into other fields (like green energy or medtech) and the tech industry will sharply contract for the first time in anyones living memory every time a previous boom (pc, internet) started to fade there was another boom (like smartphone apps) ready to replace it. but now that the streaming media and smartphone booms have run their course, where is that next big technology to glom onto? the chilling fact is that there doesnt seem to be one, that all the prospective next big things have fizzled (full self driving cars lol) which is why every single company is hopping onboard the "ai" hype train - because it is the last of the 2010s next big things that still seems to offer some kind of potential for big returns
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