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Yeah I still don't understand what happened, outside of CSPAM getting their way. The CSPAM Ukraine thread is exhausting because it's full of people whose position is that the US government is corrupt (yes) but the Russian govt should be taken at face value (what). The D&D thread is slow AF.
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EEKA GEEK posted:Bad faith is a fake idea to begin with. Sincerity has no impact on veracity But true things can absolutely be used by bad actors in manipulative and confusing ways. Cherry-picking is a term that exists for just such an occasion. For example, Putin invading Crimea and taking part of Ukraine, and then reacting to the Ukraine's subsequent building of arms afterwards (and the Ukrainian nationalist militias that action united) as if Ukraine is threatening them and thus have to take action for their preservation. Is it true Ukraine was arming up? Yeah because Russia decided to just shift a border and take part of the Ukraine in 2014. But if you just include the facts Ukraine was arming and it had nationalists, you can easily paint an argument for the larger and more powerful nation actually being the victim here and needing to attack the Ukraine in self-defense. StrangersInTheNight fucked around with this message at 00:14 on Mar 4, 2023 |
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EEKA GEEK posted:
See if you're coming down on the 'West's' goals vs Ukraine's then you're just stuck in American hyper-individualism where we are the center of everything. I got a bone to pick with leftisits who kneejerk the if it helps the West in any capacity it's automatically bad and to be rejected and thus reject the actual takes of the people involved. Like how folks would say for a while that criticism of Maduro was just bullshit Western anti-leftism until realizing Venezuelan leftists actually do not like him as he's much more authoritarian than Chavez and it's not just the West trying to depose of a communist leader planting stories that the people don't like him. Seeing a bunch of white Western people ignore the input of Venezuelan leftists online and condescendingly tell them about what's best for them, or worse accuse them of them of being CIA opps whose goal is to hurt their country(!!!) was wild and egotistical AF, so consider: maybe you don't actually know what's best for people halfway across the world, but are also centering your position as in the manner of the hero self that is central to vain Western hyper-individualism as a culture, which is why you're intent to cast yourself as someone who sees through the West's efforts to make this seem humanitarian as that is apparently your greatest concern - how it possibly benefits us, and how that it can be spun in the press. In the end, it's always about the US for you, inside of your brain. I'll take my probe. StrangersInTheNight fucked around with this message at 12:10 on Mar 4, 2023 |
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The ultimate goal for the west is not to help the people of Ukraine, but to hobble the people of Russia- in this so called great humanitarian crusade...