|
that's "master mid"
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2023 16:11
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 29, 2024 04:22 |
|
|
I legitimately don't think I've ever hated anything more than the "Goodbye Farewell" dance in that final episode. I don't want to meet the person that enjoyed that.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2023 16:27
|
|
|
I always saw it as Ted knew he wasn't a good soccer/futbol strategist and his strength as a American football coach was getting the most out of his team. He trusted his players and beard to do more on the strategy front so he decided to juice the talent and create an atmosphere.Caesar Saladin posted:I legitimately don't think I've ever hated anything more than the "Goodbye Farewell" dance in that final episode. I don't want to meet the person that enjoyed that. My wife loved it. I told her it felt unearned though I didn't mind the finale.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2023 16:29
|
|
|
Caesar Saladin posted:I legitimately don't think I've ever hated anything more than the "Goodbye Farewell" dance in that final episode. I don't want to meet the person that enjoyed that.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2023 16:34
|
|
|
One thing I wasn't sure of, would Rupert really have been in trouble of losing his team over a sexual harassment claim? In America it took a mask off moment of an owner referring to his players as slaves to even begin that discussion.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2023 18:00
|
|
|
Caesar Saladin posted:I legitimately don't think I've ever hated anything more than the "Goodbye Farewell" dance in that final episode. I don't want to meet the person that enjoyed that. I also hated it and found it weird. They're not a college team or something and Ted Lasso isn't their dad. They're grown rear end men being paid for a job lol
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2023 18:02
|
|
|
It would have made more sense for them to have performed a rendition of, "I want it that way"
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2023 18:49
|
|
|
Macdeo Lurjtux posted:One thing I wasn't sure of, would Rupert really have been in trouble of losing his team over a sexual harassment claim? If you're ownership, management, or coaching and you physically assault someone during a game, that's it. Woody Hayes, who had coached Ohio State for nearly 30 years and won multiple national championships, got fired into retirement from this https://youtu.be/wEVJyf0ft3I And that was in the 70s! When people cared even less than they do now about such things!
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2023 19:33
|
|
|
Macdeo Lurjtux posted:One thing I wasn't sure of, would Rupert really have been in trouble of losing his team over a sexual harassment claim? I really doubt it, and also 'losing control of richmond in the divorce' is of course likewise quite far fetched and really only works in sitcom land, irl I only know of one situation where an owner was forced to sell a team and this was the very unusual case of Roman Abramovitch becoming a persona non-grata in the UK due to his ties with Putin, and even in THAT case he was forced to sell the team, it wasn't just stripped away from him or anything like that, the guy made bank, he probably never dreamt of making actual financial profit out of his toy team but he sold it for way more than he ever invested into it (and he was considered a big spender, at that), so like, Rupert being ousted for something like being in a relationship with his assistant would only conceivably happen if he wasn't the majority owner of the club and even in that case we still couldn't be forced to just relinquish his shares or anything like that and he sure strutted around in West Ham like he owns the place so, idkwtf, if the man is succesful enough to lose multiple premierleague teams in divorce settlements I really wouldn't worry too much about him, Rupert's gonna land on his feet, he's probably going to own multiple teams in the spinoff, heck they might let him just be the president of FIFA or something like that. emanresu tnuocca fucked around with this message at 19:39 on Jun 9, 2023 |
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2023 19:34
|
|
|
Sash! posted:If you're ownership, management, or coaching and you physically assault someone during a game, that's it.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2023 19:40
|
|
|
A more contemporary example might be Jimmy Lake in 2021. Lake was suspended 1 game for swiping at a player, but was ultimately fired (perhaps for multiple reasons, still got paid out). Granted these instances are both a coach assaulting a student athlete, as opposed to an owner assaulting his similarly aged coach. Maybe I'm just being cynical, but the most I could imagine happening to him is a fine for something like, "denigrating the integrity of the game." If he isn't an majority share owner, it does seem more likely he could be voted out.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2023 22:13
|
|
|
the dickhead who is a majority owner of the Timbers and the Thorns (Portland soccer teams) was found out to have been covering up sexual assault and harassment as well as domestic abuse for 6 years and STILL hasn’t seen any consequences.
|
|
#
?
Jun 10, 2023 04:13
|
|
|
WWTW What Would Ted Want? Ted would want to see Beard, Roy, and Nate move on and succeed without him. Rebecca and Keely too. And Jamie. And Sam. Not to mention my boy Dani.* With that in mind, I'm ok with sequels. *Football is life deoju fucked around with this message at 05:19 on Jun 10, 2023 |
|
#
?
Jun 10, 2023 05:16
|
|
|
Caesar Saladin posted:I legitimately don't think I've ever hated anything more than the "Goodbye Farewell" dance in that final episode. I don't want to meet the person that enjoyed that. There's something specifically awful about it that comes down to a combination of the song choice (what works as a cheery performance by the Von Trapps to cover their escape doesn't feel like a moving or relevant statement of farewell towards Ted, but it does feel immediately awkward and twee to have grown adults singing about nurseries and cuckoos), the lack of fun or inventive choreography (they just march past Ted! It doesn't escalate in any way! If you absolutely must do this, wouldn't it be funnier if Roy reluctantly but bravely joins in at the climax?) and the strained, faraway smile on Isaac's face. Which I assume is in-character nerves rather than Kola Bokinni's soul actually leaving his body, but it still gives you the sense that we're watching a hostage situation. 
|
|
#
?
Jun 10, 2023 11:22
|
|
|
I'm fine with them continuing the show, I just hope the writing is a lot better if they do lol
|
|
#
?
Jun 10, 2023 11:32
|
|
|
Vegetable posted:You speak with so much certainty for someone using a totally irrelevant example There's a huge difference, even if it doesn't make sense, between "he did something wrong or even illegal outside of the public eye" and "assaulted someone in front of thousands of witnesses."
|
|
#
?
Jun 10, 2023 15:03
|
|
|
Sash! posted:There's a huge difference, even if it doesn't make sense, between "he did something wrong or even illegal outside of the public eye" and "assaulted someone in front of thousands of witnesses." The important difference here is that West Ham in the show is privately owned, Rupert owns it, he's not some official in some sporting or academic organization which has some semblance of democracy or public oversight, it's his team, he owns it, under certain extreme conditions the club could be sanctioned to the point where Rupert is forced to sell it, which is what happened with Chelsea (the UK gov declared Chelsea to be a company with known ties to the Putin regime and that any dealing with the club must receive special approval from the UK government, all sponsor deals were suspended and the club couldn't sign new players or negotiate with the existing staff, they did get a special permit to participate in the premier league and other competitions though). I think for Americans who are used to teams basically being 'licensed franchises' that have a license to operate from the league governing body this is a bit strange because strangely enough american sports are hella socialist but in the UK and most of europe clubs are really just privately owned companies, the FA doesn't get to take the name 'West Ham' and give it to someone else or something like that, it's not theirs. emanresu tnuocca fucked around with this message at 15:32 on Jun 10, 2023 |
|
#
?
Jun 10, 2023 15:26
|
|
|
emanresu tnuocca posted:The important difference here is that West Ham in the show is privately owned, Rupert owns it, he's not some official in some sporting or academic organization which has some semblance of democracy or public oversight, it's his team, he owns it, under certain extreme conditions the club could be sanctioned to the point where Rupert is forced to sell it, which is what happened with Chelsea (the UK gov declared Chelsea to be an company with known ties to the Putin regime and that any dealing with the club must receive special approval from the UK government, all sponsor deals were suspended and the club couldn't sign new players or negotiate with the existing staff, they did get a special permit to participate in the premier league and other competitions though). I chose to think of it that he was going to receive insane pressure from the fanbase to sell the club because of the accusations, moreso than any governing body taking it away from him. May not have been realistic, but let me move on and just enjoy it from there.
|
|
#
?
Jun 10, 2023 15:30
|
|
|
If not for us having seen Teds viewpoint when he thought he had invented Total Football, I could have seen the final episode reveal being that he spots the offside before anyone else, and it's because of course he knows all the rules of the game, he's coach for a team in one of the worlds biggest leagues and that he just put it on for the team because he didn't see his job as how to try and tell them to be better footballers, but to try and make them a better team of people.
|
|
#
?
Jun 10, 2023 15:35
|
|
|
grobbo posted:There's something specifically awful about it that comes down to a combination of the song choice (what works as a cheery performance by the Von Trapps to cover their escape doesn't feel like a moving or relevant statement of farewell towards Ted, but it does feel immediately awkward and twee to have grown adults singing about nurseries and cuckoos), the lack of fun or inventive choreography (they just march past Ted! It doesn't escalate in any way! If you absolutely must do this, wouldn't it be funnier if Roy reluctantly but bravely joins in at the climax?) and the strained, faraway smile on Isaac's face. This is almost exactly what pissed me off so much about the Family Guy reenactment of the scene. Just totally unimaginative and played straight, not used as any kind of satire, making you wonder if you're missing a joke. Here we are like 20 years later where doing the same thing again may as well just be a form of summer stock. Everybody does a Goodbye Farewell scene! It's tradition! Never mind what the original context was it was probably something stupid
|
|
#
?
Jun 10, 2023 18:25
|
|
|
Since it’s Ted Lasso adjacent, I wanted to let those in this thread who don’t follow soccer as much know that the Champion’s League Final, aka the Super Bowl of club soccer, is about to start between Manchester City and Inter Milan. Americans can watch it on regular old CBS.
|
|
#
?
Jun 10, 2023 19:57
|
|
|
Cpt. Mahatma Gandhi posted:Since it’s Ted Lasso adjacent, I wanted to let those in this thread who don’t follow soccer as much know that the Champion’s League Final, aka the Super Bowl of club soccer, is about to start between Manchester City and Inter Milan. Americans can watch it on regular old CBS. Turned it on, and a Man City dude is pretending to be hurt. Replay shows he didn't react to the guy kinda tapping him on the head until he knew he'd botched a touch and turned it over. ~~~The Beautiful Game~~~
|
|
#
?
Jun 10, 2023 20:07
|
|
|
Highlight of the match:
|
|
#
?
Jun 10, 2023 23:56
|
|
|
What really got me about the song was how the team jumped around screaming when ted said it was perfect. It could've been a nice sappy "thanks fellas" and the team giving him an emotional hug or whatever, but they all go off like children who opened an N64 on christmas. It seemed like a strange reaction to me
|
|
#
?
Jun 11, 2023 00:24
|
|
|
Sash! posted:There's a huge difference, even if it doesn't make sense, between "he did something wrong or even illegal outside of the public eye" and "assaulted someone in front of thousands of witnesses." Sports in America is often a weird space where assaulting people on field/court has no legal repercussions.
|
|
#
?
Jun 11, 2023 00:31
|
|
|
ilmucche posted:What really got me about the song was how the team jumped around screaming when ted said it was perfect. It could've been a nice sappy "thanks fellas" and the team giving him an emotional hug or whatever, but they all go off like children who opened an N64 on christmas. It seemed like a strange reaction to me It would’ve made more sense if they tied perfecting it to some strategy they were struggling with getting to click or something. The audience had no understanding why it was such a big deal to them if we’re not shown any struggle.
|
|
#
?
Jun 11, 2023 03:36
|
|
|
Yeah, they should have done the routine with all their dicks attached by strings
|
|
#
?
Jun 11, 2023 04:31
|
|
|
The strings tied to their dicks was really uncomfortable to watch. What the gently caress.
|
|
#
?
Jun 11, 2023 04:38
|
|
|
That scene had a real late The Office vibe where everything was just a cartoon
|
|
#
?
Jun 11, 2023 04:40
|
|
|
The strings around the balls gag was hilarious, whereas So Long, Farewell was so aggressively twee it made my skin crawl.
|
|
#
?
Jun 11, 2023 04:55
|
|
|
Sometimes shows and movies make these musical\broadaway homages that are a genuine humorless attempt at a 'technical recreation', like they're genuinely trying to perform the song and dance routine faithfully to the best of their abilities, and whenever that happens it feels to me like it's very much being filmed because TV people are often huge fans of musicals and theater and they do it because it's well, a thing that theater nerds are uber in to, they are enamored by the challenge and think that "Hey, what if we worked really hard on the choreography???" is exciting for the viewers, like we'd go 'ooooh' by the sight of twenty manly men doing this thing, for me it's always kinda boring and fourth wall breaking because yeah obviously everyone on screen is a trained actor who had years of dance training and the such, obviously they're capable of pulling off a choreographed routine especially with the magic of video editing so, idk, I hope they had fun filming it, I guess that's what I'm saying.
emanresu tnuocca fucked around with this message at 09:29 on Jun 11, 2023 |
|
#
?
Jun 11, 2023 05:06
|
|
|
My gripe with the show is that it claims to show how Ted Lasso & Co solve difficult situations by being nice, but in reality every situation is just resolved by the counterparty being a horrible person. Your ex-husband left you for a younger woman who will give him the child you never could? No need to process that, he's evil and cheats on his new wife too. Sports psychologists brings peer-reviewed science to your team and achieves results your folksy niceness can't? She breaks down and cries and you get to be her saviour. In a power-imbalanced relationship with the VC who is funding your PR company? No need to make any arrangements to protect your company, the VC will slutshame you, and your rich friend will fund you, which isn't a power imbalance or conflict of interest at all. Having difficulty navigating a divorce where your ex-wife has gotten together with her therapist? Therapist is an rear end in a top hat who doesn't like soccer, problem solved itself. Left the team your were kitmanning for and found yourself the manager of a rival sports club? Its owner is trying to corrupt you! Like in Indiana Jones, the main characters could just have done absolutely nothing, and the "villains" would have shot themselves in the foot and resolved the whole thing in our heroes' favor by themselves.
|
|
#
?
Jun 11, 2023 11:22
|
|
|
I just skipped over like 200 posts, how many different ways are there to say “season bad”. I am very impressed with you all
|
|
#
?
Jun 11, 2023 12:47
|
|
|
Escobarbarian posted:I just skipped over like 200 posts, how many different ways are there to say “season bad”. I am very impressed with you all It’s astounding how different the vibe is on Reddit for this show. Feels like a twilight zone episode.
|
|
#
?
Jun 11, 2023 14:09
|
|
|
Season 1 was good enough that I could imagine people looking past its faults. I won’t because S 2/3 was supremely garbage in a way few shows have achieved. Don’t even have a good comparison because I don’t remember the shows that turned this poorly in the course of a season or two, probably last show with this level of a drop off I can recall is Heroes which was the first time I ever noticed a show eschewing actual characterization for making characters Vessels of Plot Points. Plus it ran into the writers strike. Ted Lasso decided conflict and conflict resolution could just be ignored. It felt an ersatz show, maybe something written by ChatGPT
|
|
|
#
?
Jun 11, 2023 14:44
|
|
|
I just remembered how they took one of the better bits of Nate’s arc ie tearing the Believe sign down and turned it into a aww shucks look at how he suffered by having to hide the whole night moment. Like what even was the point of that? We already knew Nate was a petulant little poo poo who disrespected everything that brought him up to greatness. Him still being a dipshit was already baked in. And that somehow made Beard give him a second chance?
|
|
#
?
Jun 11, 2023 15:31
|
|
|
Bulky Bartokomous posted:Sports in America is often a weird space where assaulting people on field/court has no legal repercussions. That’s Europe. West Ham fans nearly blinded an opponent player with a vape like two days ago.
|
|
#
?
Jun 11, 2023 19:15
|
|
|
Was just thinking about if this was a real show, getting the Head Coach from your main rival's team a few games before the championship (or whatever) would be such a big deal for ya know, using everything he knows from coaching the team to defeat them. But of course that doesn't come up once. I don't know sports. Is there anything that would have (contractually/NDA, etc) prevented Nate from moving to a team like that mid-season for the reasons I stated above?
|
|
#
?
Jun 11, 2023 19:18
|
|
|
fullroundaction posted:Was just thinking about if this was a real show, getting the Head Coach from your main rival's team a few games before the championship (or whatever) would be such a big deal for ya know, using everything he knows from coaching the team to defeat them. But of course that doesn't come up once. Nope, there's restrictions on players being able to field against a former club in a competition in the same season (like Champions League) I believe, but nothing for Managers.
|
|
#
?
Jun 11, 2023 19:40
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 29, 2024 04:22 |
|
|
TraderStav posted:Nope, there's restrictions on players being able to field against a former club in a competition in the same season (like Champions League) I believe, but nothing for Managers. Not anymore, players used to be 'cup tied' in certain competitions but these rules were dropped a few years ago cause they sucked.
|
|
#
?
Jun 11, 2023 19:43
|
|