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skeleton warrior posted:
Zava is more than weird he's domineering and he overshadows Ted, a thing that happens quite literally in the episode. Also for folks who don't follow football, Zava is very much based on Zlatan Ibrahimovich, who's a very colorful guy with a bunch of manic quotes, also a penchant for acrobatic goals.
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) in the sense of being demanding and prickly and refusing to ever share and while he’s doing that to Jamie he’s mostly just weird and off in his own head space. Maybe it’ll ramp up as the season goes on and the newness of him wears off, but right now it seems like he and the team fit together decently. 
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Shelley's negative football tactical wizardry stopping Richmond's single star player is a classic football plot, especially what with Shelley being a Jose Mourinho kind of guy, can easily see Zava getting injured due to some ethically questionable rough housing and this throws Richmond's season into chaos.
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Mar 30, 2023 13:53
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It will be satisfying when Nate returns to richmond and saves them from relegation on the final game of the season, imo.
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Apr 12, 2023 20:33
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The whole total football thing at the end was a bit hard to parse, was it just another joke at Ted's ignorance about football or was it meant to signify that although Ted is clueless he has managed to conceive football on the same level of famous revolutionary football genius (and obviously Ajax Amsterdam legend) Johann Cruyff, it didn't feel like just an empty joke to me and it does come as a juxtaposition to Roy and Beard constantly suggesting rigid old school positional tactics, so I guess we're set up for Ted showing a degree of competency (by applying a tactic which is famously not suitable for mediocre teams nor is it a style that can just be easily adopted without intense drilling, but, i mean, lol football realism who cares) for the final parts of the season.
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LividLiquid posted:I was super aware that it was the biggest league in the world, but teams having way more fans outside of their city than American sports leagues do (and in that case I don't mean across the world, just in America) is what's new and fascinating here. People pick teams for silly arbitrary reasons and the code of sports necessitates that you don't switch unless there's some really good reason, like your team suddenly sucking because the club was bought by an american owner who knows less about football than Ted Lasso is not a good enough reason. Personally I follow Chelsea because they had a really good team on Pro Evolution Soccer 2006 and that's kind of what got me into football. Mmm, Shevchenko and Drogba, what a partnership.
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Phenotype posted:Well, it makes sense here because we don't have a soccer scene of our own. But why do, say, people in Italy want to watch the English Premier League instead of the Italian Supreme Division? Does the Premier League tend to draw the higher-caliber players from all over Europe due to capitalism or something? Or is it typical for fans to follow more than one national league? Because the premier league is a more competitive league with bigger household names, due to TV deals and billionaire owners the 20th placed premier league team has much bigger revenue than say, the 4th placed team in Spain or Italy, they say that the most profitable competition in football is actually the play-offs from the championship (english 2nd division) to the premier league because you're guranteed to make something like 200 million pounds even if you get relegated following season, no other league can compete, the competition comes from particularly big clubs in the other top leagues that have a long tradition of success and a lot of money, but often they also struggle, Barcelona nearly imploded financially this year, Bayern Munich were annihilated by Manchester City in the Champions League, etc. So ultimately, people watch the PL because it's kind of like the only league where you have recognizable football stars playing for teams outside the top 3 and where almost any match is going to be highly competitive. And also the premier league is just a touch more violent than most other top leagues, and that helps.
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the thing with the show is that it's really hard to get what they're going for irt to how fantastic and detached the whole thing is from pretty much any underlying reality, Nathan might be mopey for a few days but anyone who coached a premier league to second place will have his pick of career options for the rest of his life, like his arc is silly, even coaching a second division team would be a great job for a guy who was a kitman two years ago and really he'd have his pick, if he'd offer himself to polish national team that hire him in an instant and pay him a million dollars to work two months every year. I know this has been discussed itt with regards to the show underplaying how big the premier league is when it's convenient to do so, but Nate was like, a national celebrity, the wonder kid, he was super successful, are we really supposed to take it that falling out with Rupert will be catastrophic for him? doesn't he have an agent?
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May 17, 2023 22:22
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I got the feeling that it was a PR company whose sole asset was actually Keeley's celebrity status? but then it turns out that they were just kind of a front cause Jack wanted to get into her pants which to be honest is kind of almost exactly the same thing? what's to stop Keeley for bringing her clients to Richmond games like she always did? Like she's a celebrity, a model that dates footballers, well connected to billionaires who own premier league teams, it's the same thing with Nate really, her company existing in the first place is testament to how successful she is, she can pretty much just keep at it, the plot really barely makes any sense, doing PR for Richmond would by itself be enough to sustain a small agency without the need for any external funding. the universe of the show is the weirdest, really.
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May 18, 2023 12:16
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It will never die as long as you have billionaire owned teams missing out on champions league football because they had a lovely season.
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Leicester city won the premier league two seasons after winning promotion, nobody remembers Claudio Ranieri as one of the most legendary coaches in the history of the game despite this stupendous achievement
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I basically only watched five minutes of the finale but I got a hunch it will only reinforce my pre-conceived notions to anyway yeah, I think this show was riding on the notion that isn't it nice to see some positivity in TV and we basically got the american YA football fantasy version of a sports rom-com where every character is some variation of Ned Flanders, so yeah sure whatever it was fun for a bit and there were moments where it actually had things going for it that made you want to stick around just to experience the likable characters but for whatever reason season 3 is just a complete failure in execution and it really lays bare all the faults the show always had, this season really had nothing going for it other than the highschool sports tv moments with the dressing room and little character gags with the established characters. So really, I don't know, it's obvious Sudeikis is a dumb dumb that thought that his dumb jokes are what carried the show and made people so enthused about it, I don't know. whatever. Like the whole 'conflict' with Nathan was resolved by episode three of this season when it was obvious that Nathan himself had a turn of heart, that's just bad TV, you can't have everyone be a positive cheerful good guy and have your sole villain understand he actually acted like a dick and show how tormented he is for 8 episodes before he just apologizes and hits the reset button, like what the gently caress. And this is without mentioning realism or verisimilitude or even the fact that the show operated on cartoon logic cause honestly that's something the show kind of embraces, I'm just asking, if the show doesn't have exciting sports drama, any meaningful plots or conflicts or any willingness to deal with 'serious' topics with any measure of depth than what does it have going for it? the levity? the silly jokes? the flanders thing? I mean sure, cool, good for them to getting people to stick around for three seasons of that, I guess.
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Really this entire show is Ben Stiller's Dodgeball but without being an intentional genre parody, the absurd humor like the pundits and broadcasters constantly saying inappropriate things is a staple of sports parodies but where most sports parodies 'commit' this show doesn't, we're supposed to take the dramatic moments seriously not as parodies, it's really weird. the show has the conceits of a genre parody while also kind of expecting you to view it as heart felt and sincere.
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Chamale posted:The finale was fine. Felt like it ticked all the boxes. It was worthwhile watching it. I really enjoyed this show, I think the third season suffered from the excessive runtimes, but it has a lot of strong characters and that helped carry it over the finish line. Messi once scored 93 goals in a year, so, things have happened.
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May 31, 2023 20:10
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Also this show pulled so many punches with Colin's coming out story, like first it takes the cowardly route of having him only come out to the team so not doing the whole 'first openly gay footballer' plotline that would have perhaps felt inappropriate with the whole fantasy cartoonishness of the show and the fact that in the real world as of the year 2023 no active premier league footballer has over come out as openly gay, and yet despite being too cowardly to actually tackle a perhaps meaningful topic that might have had some nuanced criticism against the premier league and english football culture in general we still get the kiss during the post match celebrations, because why not, isn't colin brave? isn't this character growth? isn't football for everyone?
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May 31, 2023 20:33
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You can't have a story with no drama or conflicts, the first season had the switcheroo as a plot device, Rebeca was the villain in a sense, beyond that once the show got famous for being that 'feel good show' it was decided that literally everyone in the show other than Rupert is just, well, a swell guy, and even Rupert is kind of a whanker dick womanizer but we've also seen that he has his moments, like killing the super-league, so... mmm yeay, on the final episode we discoer that Roy did grow but he's only 99% of the way there, I guess that's conflict.
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sporkstand posted:Was Zava based on any actual real-life footballer? Yes, Zlatan Ibrahimovic, who happened to retire from professional football yesterday at the age of 41.
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Jun 5, 2023 20:43
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but that's kind of the life of a celebrity past model whose current claim to fame is her various romcom tabloid filling relationships, she gets paid to be in places and talk to people, that's really one of the more realistic parts of the show.
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Jun 6, 2023 08:03
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The show's concept of a plot is really just kind of more like an improv comedian's notion of a 'bit' than what you usually see in professionally produced TV, like, there is no point in Ted's ex dating their counselor beyond the fact that it's "a thing", something you can write on the board, it's a bit, Ted is divorced, yes and his wife is dating the marriage counselor. It's just not a played comedically and the show at points tries to present these bits as like, conflicted character moments but they're all bits, they're just gags that play out on screen, and most of the 'bits' are really simple jokes, they must just play out across numerous episodes, like the whole Zorreux thing, it's all a set up for the commentator on the final episode going "It's about time!" when the guy wants to be called Zorro, and it's actually one of the more clever (and successful) jokes in the season given that it had gradual build up and that they even managed to tie that stupid 'Danny goes berserk when he plays for the national team' bit (and wtf, like, professional goalies get smashed in the face all the time, did Zorreux expect Danny to shoot a softball because they're teammates? it only makes sense as a gag), but really like, all the plots are like that.
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I think it's funny that a professional footballer would wear a mask he doesn't like. there's like a team of doctors and physios who'd fit him a proper mask, everyone plays with a black mask rather than the ugly transparent plastic thing, couldn't he just pick the one he likes? but at least it had payoff so, you know.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:One thing I wasn't sure of, would Rupert really have been in trouble of losing his team over a sexual harassment claim? I really doubt it, and also 'losing control of richmond in the divorce' is of course likewise quite far fetched and really only works in sitcom land, irl I only know of one situation where an owner was forced to sell a team and this was the very unusual case of Roman Abramovitch becoming a persona non-grata in the UK due to his ties with Putin, and even in THAT case he was forced to sell the team, it wasn't just stripped away from him or anything like that, the guy made bank, he probably never dreamt of making actual financial profit out of his toy team but he sold it for way more than he ever invested into it (and he was considered a big spender, at that), so like, Rupert being ousted for something like being in a relationship with his assistant would only conceivably happen if he wasn't the majority owner of the club and even in that case we still couldn't be forced to just relinquish his shares or anything like that and he sure strutted around in West Ham like he owns the place so, idkwtf, if the man is succesful enough to lose multiple premierleague teams in divorce settlements I really wouldn't worry too much about him, Rupert's gonna land on his feet, he's probably going to own multiple teams in the spinoff, heck they might let him just be the president of FIFA or something like that. emanresu tnuocca fucked around with this message at 19:39 on Jun 9, 2023 |
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Sash! posted:There's a huge difference, even if it doesn't make sense, between "he did something wrong or even illegal outside of the public eye" and "assaulted someone in front of thousands of witnesses." The important difference here is that West Ham in the show is privately owned, Rupert owns it, he's not some official in some sporting or academic organization which has some semblance of democracy or public oversight, it's his team, he owns it, under certain extreme conditions the club could be sanctioned to the point where Rupert is forced to sell it, which is what happened with Chelsea (the UK gov declared Chelsea to be a company with known ties to the Putin regime and that any dealing with the club must receive special approval from the UK government, all sponsor deals were suspended and the club couldn't sign new players or negotiate with the existing staff, they did get a special permit to participate in the premier league and other competitions though). I think for Americans who are used to teams basically being 'licensed franchises' that have a license to operate from the league governing body this is a bit strange because strangely enough american sports are hella socialist but in the UK and most of europe clubs are really just privately owned companies, the FA doesn't get to take the name 'West Ham' and give it to someone else or something like that, it's not theirs. emanresu tnuocca fucked around with this message at 15:32 on Jun 10, 2023 |
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Sometimes shows and movies make these musical\broadaway homages that are a genuine humorless attempt at a 'technical recreation', like they're genuinely trying to perform the song and dance routine faithfully to the best of their abilities, and whenever that happens it feels to me like it's very much being filmed because TV people are often huge fans of musicals and theater and they do it because it's well, a thing that theater nerds are uber in to, they are enamored by the challenge and think that "Hey, what if we worked really hard on the choreography???" is exciting for the viewers, like we'd go 'ooooh' by the sight of twenty manly men doing this thing, for me it's always kinda boring and fourth wall breaking because yeah obviously everyone on screen is a trained actor who had years of dance training and the such, obviously they're capable of pulling off a choreographed routine especially with the magic of video editing so, idk, I hope they had fun filming it, I guess that's what I'm saying.
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TraderStav posted:Nope, there's restrictions on players being able to field against a former club in a competition in the same season (like Champions League) I believe, but nothing for Managers. Not anymore, players used to be 'cup tied' in certain competitions but these rules were dropped a few years ago cause they sucked.
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ilmucche posted:Cup tied is still a thing for a bunch of competitions Ah well, I thought it was phased out in general but that was only UEFA competitions, the only place it really mattered anyway.
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