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Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


Pablo Bluth posted:

Honestly, I have a bunch of neighbours who like the stuff, and I find the smell absolutely rank. It's up their with the cat poo poo the neighbours also subject me to. Legalise it but only in return for breeding less obnoxiously stinky strains.

Yea weed does smell terrible. I'd not want it wafting into my house either, but I also wouldn't want someone playing loud music every night and that's legal.

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Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


Diet Crack posted:

Thing is most people aren't hanging out by your window blowing it in deliberately and I'm sure that if they're you're neighbours the mere act of being like 'hey could you like, go around the corner, it's coming in the window' would be enough. But no, gotta criminalise it more and lock everyone up to make the streets 'safe' again from loving weed of all things. Nevermind fixing the outrageous class system that exists in this country that probably drives people to using drugs in the loving first place.

I can't wait for the day the house of commons ceiling just loving collapses on the entire chamber and the fire and ambulance services take 12 hours to loving attend.

Yea the problem is that lovely neighbours can make your life hell, that's not drugs causing it it's them being poo poo.

I'm sure there's plenty of similar families where the parents can't get the kids to sleep due to noise or alcoholism and that's just "normal" or dealt with by the council if you're lucky.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


Incy posted:

None of this applies to Scotland or Wales as I don't know what happens there.

To follow on from MeinPanzer's description of what happens with a strike above, Universities are obliged to put on additional teaching so that the mandated teaching hour requirement and learning outcomes are met. Therefore it very much depends on what the strike caused the students to miss - done on a case by case bases.

If a student thinks they've been disadvantaged they can try to get a portion of their fees or other associated damages (eg the failure to secure a summer placement etc) back, either through the complaints process or legal action through contract. It's not automatic and will depend on the circumstances, and obviously Universities don't advertise this. Most of the cases here are settled before any court/the OIA are involved, but it requires a lot of effort and willpower by the student as the Universities will pretty much deny all damages in first instance. The real cost is that Universities will need to spend extra money to ensure that all students meet their learning outcomes, and this is at a pretty serious cost.

Research is much simpler, it's just delayed by the strike period which can cause the University to miss goals and so suffer contractual penalties. There's no change in staff costs (as the staff will have been on strike) but overheads etc. will just have an extra amount of days equal to the strike days, so the University is obliged to make up these costs.

The hardship fund has been a total shitshow and no one is quite sure why. It's supposedly cash rich but no one seems to be able to get any response at all out of it?

I would disagree that research is simpler. While universities would suffer penalties if deliverables are missed due to strike action, the indervidual researchers probably miss more because the contracts are so long term. Most research work is work academics do because they care about and are interested in the work primarily - It's something they get a personal return on, not just done to generate profit for the university.

So not doing any research work for a week, for example, won't impact a final report due in a years time - but it will mean the researcher doesn't get to investigate the subject as much as they'd like. And that may mean they miss out on papers, grants conference presentations etc - things that benefit the indervidual research more than the university as a whole.

The point of strike action is that employers profit more from your wage labour than they pay you, so coordinated withdrawal of labour damages the employer more than the employee. For universities, this is the case for teaching but not for research (hence them trying to shove more and more teaching onto academics and assuming they'll do research in their own time). The employee gets as much if not more out of research work than the university does, so striking academics not researching is more harmful to them than the organisation.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


This might be wrong but aren't cannaboloids only fat-soluble, unlike nicotine which is water soluble. And putting anything other than flavoured water in your vape is how you end up with popcorn lung and vaping which is actually dangerous to your health.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


This is a story as a reminder that the NHS is full of great people when you let it work.

Had stomach pain Tuesday/Wednesday, phoned up GP on Thursday morning and they had a telephone consultation for me later than morning. Describe my problems over the phone, GP asks if I can make it to her surgery by midday to check if it's appendicitis. I go in, she determines it's worth sending me to hospital and by 3pm the hospital has diagnosed me with appendicitis and puts me in for surgery. Due to other people needing surgery more urgently I get bumped to the next morning and have a painful night, but the (foreign) nurses are constantly checking my temperature and giving me pain relief overnight to try and help me cope. I go under the knife 10am next morning, have my appendix removed, and now am just waiting for the all-clear to go home.

I've been very lucky with how swiftly and kindly everyone has acted, but I shouldn't have to be lucky- this should just be how things work. The NHS first and foremost needs more staff and more staff consistency - any reforms to the structure of the NHS can only happen when there isn't a manpower crisis due to low pay.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


feedmegin posted:

I love this opinion that the Civll Service - the Civil Service! Sir Humphrey and co.! Literally the Establishment! are somehow bomb-throwing revolutionaries.

Well you see they all went to university at some point, so they are basically loonie left students because that's what all students are these days as the telegraph keeps telling me.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


Bobby Deluxe posted:

I'm more amazed the UK has the power to stop it, and micro / acti didn't just say "Fine, we'll not do business on your ridiculous little shithole then. Have fun without Excel."

Turns out States have power after all??? Someone tell Starmer.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


Pistol_Pete posted:

I dunno where Labour's lead is even coming from: the people who voted for them in 2019 are pissed-off and demoralized and the social conservatives that they're trying to woo are never ever going to stop seeing Labour as the party of woke looney leftist traitors. It's literally all riding on "Eh, let's give the other lot a go this time", which seems a pretty flimsy base for an election campaign.

Most of it is a utter collapse in the Tory vote share - roughly half of 2019 Tory voters are saying they don't know who they'll vote for next election now. Doesn't matter if you own vote share is static if half the other guys isn't turning up.

To be fair, this can win you a election - Boris Johnsons 2019 Victory Doesn't actually come from winning over "Red wall" voters despite how much the media goes on about them - Conservative votes went up by 5% at best.

What did happen is the labour vote share collapsed from the sustained media attack - Remainers to the Lib Dems, Brexitiers to the Brexit Party (remember them? And them being a tory front to let labour brexiters vote Tory without voting Tory).

I somehow doubt that we're seeing a similar sustained collapse in Tory votes, but we might be. If we're not Kier is going to have a sudden shock once election season starts and voters start taking pollsters seriously again.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


Mega Comrade posted:

I think some of it is generational divides. It's like how you had life long labour people willing to vote UKIP but they "would never vote Tory!"

A Tory skipping labour to vote green doesn't make much sense on paper, the current green manifesto is more left than labours. But people often don't vote logically or based on actual policy.

Yea it's nothing about local greens being secret ecofascists, it's about it being a "acceptable" non Labour vote. Caring for the environment isn't a bad thing to many Tories, especially the older ones who like the image of idyllic countryside farms and green fields instead of building. Whether the local Greens are on board with that matters less than what voters think they will do.

Kier Starmer giving them no reason to vote labour doesn't help either.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010



We're very good at keeping old people alive beyond when they'd normally pop off now, so I'd not be surprised to see him hit 85.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


Mega Comrade posted:

There was that case of the Goon joking about the Olympic torch or something years ago who got a knock on the door by the plod because if it. I've forgotten the exact details.

They'd also posted about their plans on FB (or some other social media) IIRC, which is much more likely how the plod tracked them down than this dead comedy forum. Someone looked into it at the time or shortly after, IIRC.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


keep punching joe posted:

I know how to fix asylum in the UK.

Speed up the claims process, rather than keeping people in limbo for years on end. If the home office wanted they could cut it down to months or weeks, then you don't need to worry about putting people in crumbling cruise ships or deporting them to Rwanda.

There is a huge backlog in claims because the home office challenge everyone, drag the process out for years, take it to court and then pull out at the last moment (because usually they would lose).

The home office is institutionally incompetent due to it's love of bureaucracy, this is well known.

The most honest assessment I've seen of this from government was when they introduced a new "high flyer" research visa to attract top talent to post brexit Britain, and they had to set up an entire parallel visa processing framework to the Home Offices because the home office is incapable of actually being fast and wanting to let people into the country.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


winegums posted:

That shadow cabinet list is just embarrassing. A who's who of burnouts and arseholes. The labour party should be presenting an energised hyper competent shadow cabinet ready to enter power with fantastic ideas and a clean slate. Instead they're clueless and mired in scandal before they leave the starting line

During the last decade, most centre-left social democract parties in Europe have collapsed in vote share, mostly due to their centreism and incompetence. Most notably the Socalist Party in France, but even the currently-governing SPD in Germany is only there as part of a 3-party coalition and are in equal competition with the Greens, rather than being a dominant partner.

For a brief period the Labour Party seemed to escape this fate, under Corbyn. However, now that any idea of hope or optimism has been purged from the Labour Party, I think Starmer will cause the same fate. He'll get into government, and be so disappointing and incompetent that he'll start the decline of the Labour party.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


big scary monsters posted:

That's really my most immediate concern about climate change. We're (most likely) not going to see the climate in northern Europe going to poo poo that badly in our lifetimes, but there are definitely going to be more and more displaced people from other regions and the question is how we deal with that. Militarised borders and concentration camps seems like a pretty plausible outcome right now. There are some hopeful outliers - in Germany and Sweden the public response to Syrians fleeing the war in 2015 (a war which was arguably an effect of climate change) was not too awful, refugees from Ukraine have been broadly seen in a sympathetic light across Europe. But then you look at the actual help offered even to the "good" refugees and the discourse about "economic migrants" and how that is apparently a bad thing and also anyone from certain countries isn't a real refugee and so on and it's all pretty grim.

While it's a very evocative image, inter-country migration is rare for a reason - travelling long distances is hard. Migration, when it happens, tends to at first be inter-country - rural to urban, usually in the context of climate risks. Climate change may ruin your land, but it doesn't destroy your government, and people very much tend to stick to what they know rather than gamble on the unknown. See the recent floods in Pakistan - absolutely apocalyptic to those flooded, but the response isn't "flee to India" or even "flee to Islamabad", as much as "rebuilt what we had, but poorer". Even when, as in the case of Syria, you do get large migrations due to violence (which may be climate change linked), they mostly stay local - of the roughly 12 million Syrian refugees, only ~ 1 million fled to europe - most relocated in Syria, or went to Turkey or Lebanon.

The future isn't swarms of indian climate migrants travelling half the way around the world to northern Europe, and that's just playing into conservative fantasies. The future is sprawling slums of New Delhi or Baghdad or Lagos as more and more people get pushed of their land by drought, with the linked economic crisis of reduced local output just as more imports are required to feed the population.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010



Sounds like it's more driven by indervidual personality conflicts than any greater political point.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


Guavanaut posted:

Eurovision, famous for only having English language songs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRva0YOVtcI

They make a fair point though, now that there's more native German and French speakers in the EU, the lingua inglese of the EU and similar institutions should probably shift more towards one of those.

I doubt it, mostly because it benefits everyone who isn't France or Germany for the EU common language to not be French/German. It's the language of mutual effort, where everyone has to put in effort to become a speaker.

We will probably see more of a linguistic drift towards a EU-english than is weird and picks up bits from european languages than the proper English way, but that happened to all our colonies already.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


Tsietisin posted:

One of the issues is that housing developers don't to build too many houses themselves either.

If they build too many, that might cause the price to go down. The Horror.

There needs to be publicly owned building companies that continously build new affordable housing for councils etc, because why would private firms build so many houses they undercut their future profits? It's obviously impossible under capitalism, or at least while we have large barriers to entry like the cost of land and planning permission.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


Gort posted:

Did this get discussed in here yet?

Leaked "draft policy platform that could form 2024 Labour manifesto"

Some good stuff in there, to the point where I'm having trouble believing Starmer would allow any of it to happen

I note that it's mostly based of NPF submissions, so I'd expect most of them to be "not accepted" by the NPF or watered down.

And lots of the more aspirational ones there require more money - while the listed tax reforms are good, but few in number. While also restating a commitment to "fiscal rules". Maybe Starmer plans to just make lots of uncosted pledges and rely on perception and the media being bad at maths to get him to office and do something with taxes, but I doubt it. More likely a bunch of aspirational and good policies get dropped either before or in government because bean counters at the Treasury say no.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


Mega Comrade posted:

Those tweets are ignoring that many other conditions share symptoms with ADHD and people do think they have it when they dont. The article even includes such a person who got no better after starting the prescription she was offered, and after them ignoring her seeking follow up advice (they had her money at that point) she left a negative review and they threatened legal action.

Private clinics would be no problem if they have good treatment, but that doesn't seem to be the case here.

'fake diagnosis ' is a bad name for the documentary though.

Yea, the issue is private clinics giving a ADHD diagnosis and stimulant proscriptions to anyone who pays them enough, then shrugging their shoulders and leaving the patient to deal with it alone. It's not really the issue that people might be getting LEGAL HIGHS from them (there's cheaper methods for that, and also drug prohibition is stupid) but that people convince themselves drugs will fix their problems, spend alot of money to get given them with no oversight, then take ADHD meds expecting it to fix their problems but just getting high and suffering unwanted side effects.

Now, you might argue it's a lesser evil to the overworked NHS mental health systems and their long lists for a referral to just give anyone who pays drugs and let them work out themselves if it helps (it's basically what we do with antidepressants but without the paying bit) but it's certainly not an ideal outcome and one it's right to investigate.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


smellmycheese posted:

So it’s clearly now going to come out that all the big UK businesses and organisations are also hotbeds of groping and nonceing.



Turns out Power corrupts, and running a organisation is power.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


Pistol_Pete posted:

The Telegraph are trying to make 'Woke Blob' a thing and I am so stoked for it:



In government for 13 years yet can't reshape institutional culture the way thatcher did. Good job, Conservatives.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


The Wicked ZOGA posted:

I need some advice on being a citizen. Is Citizens Advice any good or is it bad. Or does it depend?

Good but overworked, especially if you're dealing with the Home Office.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


Is this... an actual socialist policy from the Labour Party???

Labour plans to tackle housing crisis by forcing landowners to sell at lower prices

Given 75%-80% of the cost of building a house is the cost of getting the land for it, this actually might make affordable housing possible.

Link should avoid FT paywall, if not can copy text.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


OwlFancier posted:

It is still paywalled for me but would that not just be a big handout to property developers who could then simply sell the houses at the current rate? I don't think many people have the ability to just buy undeveloped land and then go through the rigamarole to get planning permissions and then contract someone to build them a house.

It's for councils doing compulsory purchase orders. Full text below


Financial Times posted:


Labour is drawing up plans that would force landowners to sell plots for a fraction of their potential market price in an effort to cut home-building costs in England, according to party officials. Lisa Nandy, shadow levelling-up secretary, intends to reform how land is valued when acquired by councils through “compulsory purchase orders” (CPOs), if Labour wins the next general election.

The Labour proposal for sweeping land reform would go far beyond recent government moves to allow ministers to make landowners sell their holdings more cheaply on limited occasions. Housebuilding is set to be one of the big themes of the next election, with Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer promising to massively increase construction to ease the country’s property crisis, while the Conservatives are more cautious. At present, many potential first-time buyers are unable to get on the housing ladder because of high prices. CPOs allow public bodies or local authorities to force property owners to sell if land is deemed essential for building homes or critical infrastructure.


Under the proposals, a future Labour government would introduce legislation allowing local authorities to buy land at a price that does not reflect the value of potential planning permissions. This would overwrite the 1961 Land Compensation Act, which prevents councils from buying plots for development at their agricultural value. At present, local authorities acquiring sites through CPOs must factor the “hope value” into the purchase price. This is the added value based on the expectation that land will gain planning permission in future. In recent decades, the gap between the value of agricultural land and fields with permission has widened dramatically.


Land worth £22,520 per hectare as agricultural land can on average be worth £6.2mn per hectare with permission — 275 times more — according to the Centre for Progressive Policy think-tank. “We want local areas to capture and benefit from a lot more of the uplift than they currently do when development occurs,” said one Labour aide. “We want to tilt the balance of power. It feels like the scales are tilted towards . . . landowners, we want to re-tilt it towards the communities that want to see more houses built,” the aide added. Labour maintains that the plan would bring England more in line with land valuation systems in Germany, France and the Netherlands.


The proposals are likely to anger some landowners, especially those with fields suitable for development. But Hugh Ellis, director of policy at the Town and Country Planning Association, a charity, said Britain’s “new towns” programme of the 1940s and 1950s had been successful because development corporations could buy vast tracts of land at agricultural value. He said Labour was “quite right” to look at potential reforms, arguing that property holders had enjoyed “an absolute licence to print money”. “Labour need to strike the right balance with landowners, giving them some kind of uplift but nowhere near the extent that we have seen over the last 15 years,” he said.


In 2018, a government review by Sir Oliver Letwin, a former cabinet minister, stopped short of recommending that authorities be allowed to buy up land at its agricultural price. The government launched a consultation in 2022 into capping or abolishing hope value. In April this year, it announced new powers allowing the levelling-up secretary to limit or suspend hope value compensation payments, on a scheme-by-scheme basis. That new rule is set to be introduced through an amendment to the levelling-up and regeneration bill. At the time, the department said the “scheme by scheme” approach would allow cases to be assessed in relation to the European Convention on Human Rights. The Department for Levelling Up, Housing and Communities said hope value payments could often increase costs for councils. “Our reforms will ensure the taxpayer gets best value for money, by removing ‘hope value’ where justified and in the public interest,” it said. “It will ultimately be for the secretary of state to decide whether a compulsory purchase order can be approved and if the removal of hope value is appropriate.”


Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


fuctifino posted:

This is an interesting approach. They aren't leaving the store with the goods, so technically aren't committing any crimes [Edit: Corrected a few posts down by Tsietisin]

https://twitter.com/BenClaimant/status/1663514036137336834

They are, since theft happens at the point you take intending to deprive. You just can't prove that intent until they walk out the door - otherwise they can claim they were going to put it back and you can't prove otherwise. Here, putting into the bins without paying is intent to deprive as surely as walking out the door with them is - and easier for staff to fix when told.

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Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


GhostofJohnMuir posted:

pardon me if i'm misremembering, i'm an american and may be mixing up players in british politics, but wasn't starmer vocally undermining corbyn during the last general election for not making an "undo brexit" plank the centerpiece of the party platform? and corbyn was taking heat from centrists in the party about secretly wanting brexit, and the issue split away a major chunk of the party and led to a massive rout at the polls? i have a strong impression this happened, but that makes this rhetoric shockingly brazen. what other conclusion could you draw but that he knowingly tanked the general election if he can so blithely dismiss the issue a mere 4 years later while many of the predicted consequences are coming to pass

He was important in pushing for a second referendum, which eventually was in Labours manifesto in 2019. There was plenty of hard core remainers who were upset that labour was doing anything other than unilaterally cancelling brexit who thought Kier was more trustworthy on brexit than Corbyn, and labours Brexit policy was muddled throughout 2019 because they needed to please both sides, which ended up with Labour bleeding votes both ways in 2019.

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