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Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
https://twitter.com/kos_data/status/1630604130560405508?s=46&t=ARI_L-v32Oind1-d9B3a3Q

:scotland:

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Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
'Non-Aligned' and a conspicuous lack of country names suggests that all the black bits are anarchic Mad Max wastelands, which might go some small way towards explaining what the gently caress happened to Istanbul.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
lol, Jesus. I don't know that even the people who referred to New New Labour as 'continuity Change UK' meant it as literally as this.

https://twitter.com/flying_rodent/status/1631199220446158848?s=46&t=ARI_L-v32Oind1-d9B3a3Q

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Gonzo McFee posted:

It's just so normal that someone can leave their job in Civil Service to run a pub in 1980's Northern Ireland and then immediately resume your career in civil service and nobody will ask any questions about it.

Also, lol this just gives Johnson the ammo to say his getting chased out of Downing Street was an establishment stitch up.

Ayup.

https://twitter.com/jasongroves1/status/1631339561690308621?s=46&t=ARI_L-v32Oind1-d9B3a3Q

It's grimly fascinating to see whether and for how long Labour can keep their gaggle of corrupt, racist weirdos out of serious press scrutiny, because it's so obvious that once the Great Noticing starts, they'll disintegrate even faster than the Tories.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Marmaduke! posted:

Exactly, and by ignoring/encouraging/taking part in these behaviours under Corbyn he's absolutely setting himself up to receive exactly the same treatment when he steps out of line.

Starmer will never have a single problem with doing as he's told/as he believes his job responsibilities to be (I think we need to acknowledge that he's not just taking orders, he actually is Like That by default, not least because he used to be one of the guys giving orders) and toeing the Establishment line. The problems for him will arise when things next go to poo poo for the establishment and someone needs a scapegoat, or perhaps when the awful, soul-grinding machine he's devoted his life to causes him to blurt out something so monstrous that it causes organic, grassroots public outrage that the papers choose to spur on for sheer devilry.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Kill All Cops posted:

really cant decide who to vote for in this SNP leadership election; mr. scootergate, the wee free or the TERF

Yousaf seems like the best by a wide margin, if only because the other two are so powerfully poo poo. He's got Mhairi Black backing him, too.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
https://twitter.com/dsquareddigest/status/1631975750877302785?s=46&t=ARI_L-v32Oind1-d9B3a3Q

Always a good sign when your sensible centrist candidate is making the exact same sales pitch that Adolf Hitler did to businesspeople, especially when it's also copying the rhetoric of the prime minister who took only one month to implode the entire country's economy...

https://twitter.com/coyspeter/status/1631995871712739329?s=46&t=ARI_L-v32Oind1-d9B3a3Q

... and trying to hire a Civil Service spook who's one of the most senior and aggressive opponents of government transparency in the UK:

https://twitter.com/barelefter/status/1631439750786609153?s=46&t=ARI_L-v32Oind1-d9B3a3Q

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Guavanaut posted:

More seriously, it sounds like he was going for a "because of Tory misrule, the average British family will soon be worse off than the average Polish family, because Poland are growing their economy and Britain is shrinking theirs", and a bunch of bad faith actors have decided to claim this as anti-Polish racism.

Starmer could have made the point better, but the papers worried about 'Romanian hordes' 10 years ago do not give a poo poo about anti-Polonism and are just playing "aha, the real racist"

Eh, I think it's the other way around - since Starmer's continuity Cameron, a bunch of Eastern Europeans are nervous about him joining those papers in bashing them for cheap pops.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
Former head of the Social Mobility Commission somehow finding a way to post even weirder hot takes:

https://twitter.com/tabitasurge/status/1632441808666886151?s=46&t=ARI_L-v32Oind1-d9B3a3Q

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
https://twitter.com/praxiscast/status/1632647899740876802?s=46&t=ARI_L-v32Oind1-d9B3a3Q

Exciting innovations in facilitating councillor scam artistry.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Sir Sidney Poitier posted:

But further to my previous point about the tories having discovered that nothing matters and you can do or say anything, the very fact that Keith got through the interview and didn't answer the question could be viewed as a success. It shouldn't, but I bet he sees it that way and I bet it won't influence anyone either way.

Essentially, it's a test of the media's largesse. He made it clear that it's an awkward question that he doesn't want to talk about it, and so whether they choose to dig into it like hungry spaniels with an entire roast chicken is entirely down to how invested they are in monstering him are this particular moment in time.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
https://twitter.com/jewdas/status/1633060488387985412?s=46&t=ARI_L-v32Oind1-d9B3a3Q

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
Superb piece from the usually excellent Mic Wright on Charles Salvador (formerly Charles Bronson). Worth a read even if (perhaps especially if) you've never heard of him.

https://twitter.com/brokenbottleboy/status/1633087218905411584?s=46&t=ARI_L-v32Oind1-d9B3a3Q

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
https://twitter.com/iaculus/status/1633112698341801995?s=46&t=ARI_L-v32Oind1-d9B3a3Q

Labour really going in on being continuity fash.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
https://twitter.com/theipaper/status/1633180138765688833?s=46&t=ARI_L-v32Oind1-d9B3a3Q

Go on, thread, show me your best surprised faces.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
https://twitter.com/jrc1921/status/1633409065123475460?s=46&t=ARI_L-v32Oind1-d9B3a3Q

Labour Friends of Slavers.

At this point, I'm starting to feel genuine hostility to anyone still willing to canvass for the party, much as I would with anyone handing out BNP leaflets. Their ideology is straight-up anti-human.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
Genuinely still reeling from the fact that the government literally put out a poster saying 'we will legalise slavery' and the main opposition attacked them for being soft on immigration. That's it. That's seriously it. There genuinely is no bottom now. Fuckin' legalised slavery. They didn't even use any polite euphemisms. Just straight-up 'it's OK to enslave these people'.

https://twitter.com/rishisunak/status/1633158789103747072?s=46&t=ARI_L-v32Oind1-d9B3a3Q

Welcome to fascism. We're probably going to be here a while.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
Five years from the Brexit referendum to the government going 'buckle in, folks - we're legalising slavery' in an official press release. Holy poo poo.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Miftan posted:

Does Flint, MI have clean drinking water yet?

According to Wikipedia, they fixed it back in 2021. Not to let America off the hook, but I can't help but wonder how long a similarly massive infrastructure project would take in the modern UK. We just don't seem to do those at all any more.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Gonzo McFee posted:

There's a large proportion of Jewish people in British Media who's biggest objection to Fascist politics is being lumped in with Homosexuals and Roma.

Though I think it's fair to say that they're significantly outnumbered by gentile Zionists with the same views and an obsessive urge to police any actual Jews who don't share said views, as we saw with the Labour antisemitism mess.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

This tweet's now got me curious. There must be plenty of examples of Hitler and other Nazis going 'yes, we are actually, literally fascists', but I don't know where to even start looking for them.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

OwlFancier posted:

I don't think it would matter, nobody making that argument is interested in reality.

I was mainly curious for myself about how deeply they acknowledged their intellectual debt to Mussolini/embraced his ideology for themselves. They were fascist, sure, but did they see themselves as fascists in those exact words? I can believe that they did, but I don't have hard evidence.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

I think we'll only be able to judge whether she did by how meticulously-planned her funeral is.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Bobby Deluxe posted:

The quick response is usually "They arrested and executed people for being socialists [name], that doesn't make any loving sense."

Not mine, saw it on twitter ages ago, probably wouldn't be able to find it again.

Though that's not necessarily that convincing a counterargument when you've seen Trotskyite sects at work...

Really, the biggest argument against Nazism actually being socialist is looking up which government first coined the term 'privatisation'.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Apparently they did use it. Haven't checked the link on the tweet out yet as about to be busy.

https://twitter.com/barking_madbark/status/1633841048249323521?s=20

Ta. Found the transcript, and he really does make it 100% clear.

quote:

We are fully conscious of the fact that a second revolution, where the assumption of power occurred earlier than it did in our country, proceeded parallel with ours. The Fascist Revolution, too, yielded the same results. Complete identity exists between our two revolutions, not only as regards aims, but also as regards methods. Over and above this there is our friendship, which is more than cooperation with a purpose in view.

...

Wherever we look today, we see a bodyguard of chosen men to whom the German soldiers have been entrusted. They in their turn are the leaders of soldiers who are the best trained in the world, who are armed with the finest weapons on earth. Behind these soldiers and their leaders stands the German nation, the whole German people. In the midst of this people, forming its very core, is the National Socialist Movement which began its existence in this room 21 years ago,-this Movement the like of which does not exist in the democratic countries, this Movement whose only pendant is fascism. Nation and army, party and state are today one indivisible whole. No power in the world can loosen what is so firmly welded together.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Guavanaut posted:

The relevant parts:



So it's more of the same "no, we're National Socialists bro, we just want the exact same thing as the fascists by the exact same methods as the fascists and we're fully best buds with the fascists" Hitlerian BS.

But yes

it functionally doesn't matter whether Hitler called the movement fascism or not, because we shouldn't respect the judgment of Hitler on the matter.

I think he's going further than that - he's saying that Nazism is 100% fascist, in a way that gives Mussolini direct intellectual credit for all of his policies. He only separates the two as a token of respect.

In that light, I think Hitler is a good source on the subject, seeing as he states outright that he actually tried to make Nazism as fascist as possible.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Tesseraction posted:

h/t to our thread-exiled libdem for this but Jessflips read out Brianna Ghey's name in parliament and the fashfems are furious https://twitter.com/ThePosieParker/status/1633829695069523968

Actually going to give Phillips a bit of credit there for one of the bolder pieces of activism in a career that's largely been an exercise in narcissism. Acknowledging Brianna as a girl (and specifically as a victim of misogynistic violence) is certainly more than her party leader would ever do.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

crispix posted:

how did the SNP end up with such duds to choose between for leader

Put too many of their eggs in a Sturgeon-shaped basket.

Mmm... caviar.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

JoylessJester posted:

Basically, if you come forward and say 'hey I've been trafficked and am now a domestic slave / in a work gang / working for a drugs gang ' they will treat you as a criminal rather than a victim.

Or, to put it another way, the government is legalising the enslavement of illegal immigrants. We're a literal loving slave state now, folks.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

kingturnip posted:

That's almost certainly a libellous statement, too in case known knobhead James O'Brien fancies sueing someone.

Turns out he does!

https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1634888059337465857?s=46&t=ARI_L-v32Oind1-d9B3a3Q

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
https://twitter.com/mrsraven59/status/1634481662032760832?s=46&t=ARI_L-v32Oind1-d9B3a3Q

:stare:

Y'know, I'm starting to think the lady who once confessed that she managed to give herself permanent brain damage from the massive amounts of cocaine she consumed might have a teensy bit of a substance abuse problem.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

The Perfect Element posted:

Love how Labour's core press strategy is 'avoid upsetting racists at all costs'.

I think it's a sincere ideological position. Starmerism is extremely Blue Labour - and I don't mean that as an insult (even though it is one, and deservedly) but as a very specific description of a discrete ideological tendency. Making the party a safe place for bigots who might be up for a vaguely socialism-flavoured expansion of state power is an actual policy objective, not just a result of apathy and cowardice.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Failed Imagineer posted:

The original was one of the best posts to ever grace these forums

OK, now the board elders need to gift us with context.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
Save this tweet:

https://twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/1636670709354176512?s=46&t=ARI_L-v32Oind1-d9B3a3Q

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Mega Comrade posted:

Cadburys isn't amazing, but it does punch above its weight for the cost imo.

Not when Galaxy is typically sitting right next to it on the shelf, I'd say. That stuff is vastly superior, even if it's kind of mean that they do superior chocolate quality in the smallest blocks.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

The Wicked ZOGA posted:

What happened with that guy who called Jame SOB a nonce

Probably has a bunch of threatening letters from very expensive lawyers headed towards him in the mail.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

OwlFancier posted:

I really want to know what lino ham thinks being bi has to do with lesbians.

He's echoing the bigoted idea that bisexuals don't exist, and that they're just straight people appropriating gay people's spaces.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
https://twitter.com/roseschmits/status/1638867415265333248?s=46&t=ARI_L-v32Oind1-d9B3a3Q

I think we can safely say that Labour membership is now incompatible with supporting trans rights, yeah?

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

https://twitter.com/garydunion/status/1638929134087729154?s=46&t=ARI_L-v32Oind1-d9B3a3Q

Actually genuinely wild how far right the party is going.

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Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
https://twitter.com/bethmayashley/status/1638949470535557125?s=46&t=ARI_L-v32Oind1-d9B3a3Q

I... huh.

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