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Soylent Pudding
Jun 22, 2007

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Pot Smoke Phoenix posted:

...or Rupert Murdock throwing all of Fox News under the same bus? :)

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Jun 22, 2007

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orange juche posted:

So Murdoch's failson got daddy in trouble basically, and Rupert is like "gently caress you you idiot crotchspawn"

Lol.


Meanwhile Israel is going full fash as security services put the boot down harder on pro-democracy protestors in Tel Aviv than on settlers pogromming Palestinian towns.

Washington Post posted:

Israeli police violently crack down on protest over judicial overhaul

TEL AVIV — Israeli police launched a forceful crackdown Wednesday on thousands of protesters who were marching along a central highway in Tel Aviv calling for a halt to a rapidly advancing judiciary overhaul.

Police lobbed hundreds of stun grenades, fired water cannons and arrested at least 40 people in response to Wednesday’s “Day of Disruption,” in which flag-waving Israelis flooded the streets and blocked major thoroughfares in dozens of places across the country.

Eleven Israelis were hospitalized with injuries suffered during the violent confrontation with police, which escalated after protesters breached a barricade, shouting, “Shame!” Officers, many on horseback, scrambled to disperse the crowd, at times appearing to use indiscriminate force.

Three of the injured underwent surgery, including one man who lost his ear after being directly hit with a stun grenade. Such aggressive police tactics are rarely seen inside Israel and were more reminiscent of Israeli military operations in the West Bank, where soldiers are often heavy-handed with Palestinian civilians.

Wednesday’s escalation came after two months of anti-government protests in which tens of thousands have taken to the streets of Tel Aviv, Israel’s financial hub. They say the judicial overhaul being rushed through the Knesset by the country’s new right-wing government will weaken the Supreme Court, remove legal protections for minorities and allow Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to avoid prosecution in his ongoing corruption trial

As demonstrators marched through the streets shouting, “Democracy!” the Knesset preliminarily voted in favor of a bill to make it more difficult to declare Netanyahu unfit to serve as prime minister, and another to enforce the death penalty for convicted terrorists.

The scenes of officers wrestling peaceful protesters to the ground came as police faced mounting criticism for not doing more to hold Israeli settlers accountable for a violent weekend rampage in the West Bank.

At one point, protesters in Tel Aviv chanted, “Where were you in Huwara?” — the Palestinian town where, after a Palestinian shot and killed two Israeli brothers, hundreds of Israeli settlers attacked civilians at random, burning cars, businesses and homes, many with children inside. One Palestinian man was killed by a settler who shot him in the abdomen, the man’s family said.

“The right to protest is not the right to commit anarchy,” National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir said about the use of force by police in Tel Aviv on Wednesday, after days of refusing to condemn the settlers’ attacks against Palestinians.

Following Sunday’s rampage — dubbed a “pogrom” by several Israeli officials — Israeli police arrested 11 settlers. Police have released five of them, citing a lack of evidence, and are keeping three under house arrest; police are continuing to interrogate five others who were arrested late Tuesday, said Dean Elsdunne, an Israeli police spokesperson.

But many worry that violence by settlers will continue as long as they receive support — implicit or explicit — from the current government. Two of its most senior ministers, Bezalel Smotrich and Ben Gvir, responded to the killing of the Israeli brothers with promises of revenge. Smotrich called for the Israeli military to “strike at the Palestinian cities with tanks and helicopters, mercilessly, in a way that will send the message that the landlord has gone mad.”

“The teenagers who descended on the village knew that the security forces’ hands were tied. At most, they would be detained for a night or two. They are immune from the law,” wrote Nahum Barnea in the Israeli newspaper Yediot Ahronot. “The rampaging teenagers could see in [Smotrich and Ben Gvir] and their factions moral support for their acts.”

On Wednesday, Smotrich went further, telling a conference that he thinks “the village of Huwara needs to be wiped out. I think the state of Israel should do it.”

The judicial overhaul has revealed deep schisms in Israeli society at a time of mounting violence and instability. At least 62 Palestinians and 14 Israelis have died in the clashes since the start of the year.

As militancy grows among young Palestinians in the West Bank, and Israel increases the scope and volume of its military raids, the army now faces resistance from within, which experts say could threaten its ability to operate in the field. Veterans of the elite Israeli military intelligence unit, 8200, have joined a long list of those threatening to refuse to perform reserve service in protest of the judicial overhaul.

“We will not volunteer for a country that unilaterally changed the basic social contract with its citizens,” said a letter from 8200 published on the Israeli news outlet Walla earlier this week.


“Our new politics now includes people with messianic visions, in very high positions, who believe Armageddon-style chaos is something that could potentially lead to a better future,” said Yotam Margalit, a professor at Tel Aviv University’s school of political science. “And Netanyahu, who was always careful with the use of force, is now dependent on those people.”

In response to the crackdown in Tel Aviv and the rampage in Huwara, Netanyahu has issued statements backing his far-right ministers.

“I fully support National Security Minister Ben Gvir, the police commission and the Israel police officers, who are working against lawbreakers who are disrupting the daily lives of Israeli citizens,” Netanyahu said Wednesday.

Also while it's still incredibly deferential I never thought I'd see someplace like WaPo be this critical of Israel.

Soylent Pudding
Jun 22, 2007

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FrozenVent posted:

Oh no the NLRB has ruled against us.

[Pause]

Anyway start the paper trail about that location not being profitable.

The Starbucks in DC's union station voted to unionize and was immediately closed because, paraphrasing, "the homeless problem has caused security incidents so we must close for the safety of our workers."

The DC police in the area spoke out against that because they resented Starbucks implying they weren't doing their jobs and also because that was the coffee shop all the foot patrol officers got their coffee at.

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Jun 22, 2007

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I think Amtrak is actually trying to break the lease of the company that manages Union Station and in turn subleases to these places because Amtrak wants to remodel and modernize the place after decades of neglect and poor operational management.

DC in general is heavily suffering from the pivot to work from home and a general migration of office space to the exurbs where rents are way cheaper. The mayor caught a lot of flack for calling on Biden to end federal wfh but her full remarks were that all the empty office space is devastating local businessesnand the gov should either come back full time or sell off the excess capacity to someone who will actually use it.

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Jun 22, 2007

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Qtotonibudinibudet posted:

cry more american cities. you spent decades making yourselves an unlivable hellscape whose sole purpose is to funnel commuters into a center that serves $20 salad lunches to fuel a bunch of graft departments that don't actually provide the services that would make people want to, yknow, live there, not simply profit off people who are forced to work there because that's where the office is

i am all too happy to watch SF (which i figure is similar to DC in many ways) crater as the "commuters provide sales tax revenue but require no services" money faucet stops. hopefully it'll force american urbana to finally reshape itself

If you're gonna pull this "they deserve it" schtick, picking DC, a predominantly African American city allowed limited self determination at the mercy of Congress is a major yoikes.

Also at least before covid more workers commuted on metro from DC into the Virginia suburbs than the other way around.

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Jun 22, 2007

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goatsestretchgoals posted:

You don’t usually get dishonorable for an ND but lol an entire “clip”. I’m imagining that one scene from Full Metal Jacket but he makes eye contact while shooting his own foot until a too-loud *ping*.

https://twitter.com/dril/status/873264183281889281?s=20

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Jun 22, 2007

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Musk isn't going to get a visit from the Saudi bonesaw squad. It's rather gross the number of posts approaching gore fetishization that get made every time someone speculates about it happening.

Musk has security because very billionaire is worried about financially motivated kidnapping and also random stalkers. Musk also has security because of stimulant abuse induced paranoia. Musk doesn't have security because MBS is gonna murder him for losing money on twitter. MBS and Xi are willing to murder their domestic financial elite and unimportant foreigners to maintain power but the entire system of globalization relies on the idea that super rich foreign businessmen are personally safe. The US government is going to say some disapproving words when a journalist gets murdered but none of the people with money and influence are going to tolerate Western governments allowing one of their class to get murdered.

This also assumes that the Saudis are upset about losing money on Twitter and aren't happy that Musk ended up crippling it as a platform for fostering regime dissent.

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Jun 22, 2007

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Entering Clancychat, on the flip side we'll finally get to see how well Chinese MANPADS and anti-tank weapons work once they start flooding them to the cartels.

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Jun 22, 2007

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I saw the first tweet and thought it was about the cop city protests in Atlanta

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Jun 22, 2007

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joat mon posted:

Interestingly, no. GA+asphyxiation is a nonstarter for the same reasons facial impediment pointed out that the 'old' lethal injection method (which has an interesting and bittersweet backstory) isn't working anymore.
No company producing GA drugs wants their medical drugs to be associated with murdering people, even if it's state sanctioned.
On top of that, no licensed anesthesiologist is going to sign on for their medical job to be murdering people, even if it's state sanctioned.

There was some BBC documentary about a conservative MPs quest to find the most humane execution method. The last part of the episode was him being shocked when he suggested nitrogen asphyxiation to other capital punishment supporters and they got mad that it was too painless.

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Jun 22, 2007

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facialimpediment posted:

There's always a lot of death penalty debate about the costs associated, morality, "maybe they deserve it", deterrence, and etc.

I just can't get past the fact that per the innocence project, there have been 375 people exonerated by DNA evidence to date and 21 of those people were on death row.

That system's hosed.

We have multiple documented cases of innocent people being executed. Scalia (rot in piss) straight up said that that constitutionally speaking actual innocence isn't constitutional grounds to overturn a conviction achieved through due process.

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Jun 22, 2007

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bulletsponge13 posted:

Some estimates have 600k protesting.

That's gotta be a pretty significant chunk of the population.

Israeli's population is somewhere around 9 million. Not sure if that includes Palestinian's living under occupation. Tonight's protests are somewhere around 5-10% of the Israeli population I think.

Get hosed Bibi.

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Jun 22, 2007

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I'm just glad this happened under Biden. The administration is at least putting some pressure on Bibi to knock it off. Given the growing alliance between the ultra Orthodox settler movement and evangelicals Trump would be 100% on Bibi's side.

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Jun 22, 2007

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Mr. Nice! posted:

Is there a brief primer to the current situation with Bibi? From what I understand, he's been criminally charged with or is being investigated for corruption and was put in as prime minister again to stall said charges and is in the process of stacking the judiciary with sycophants that will close out said investigation?

I'm teaching all morning but I'll effort post this afternoon or during a break if no one beats me to it.

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Jun 22, 2007

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What are Bibi's reforms, why are they so bad, and why now? Netenyahu, facing corruption charges, managed to barely cobble together a governing coalition that would elect him prime minister. To do so he abandoned centrist parties and recruited support from the general extreme right wing, ultra Orthodox Jewish supremacist, and militant settler nexis. As prime minister Netenyahu is relatively safe from prosecution until he's out of power or the charges are dropped. The Israeli far right has always been angry at a supposed out of touch liberal deep state activist judges blocking the worst of their agenda in the name of human rights and due process. The proposed reforms give the governing coalition greater control over the judicial appointment process, strip the courts of power to overrule laws, essentially abolish many of the implied human rights recognized by the courts, and also remove much of the independence of the attorney general who is responsible for criminal investigation of sitting politicians. In short, these reforms remove the only meaningful check against the power of the most right wing parliament in Israeli history, would protect corrupt officials including Netenyahu, and would dramatically reduce the human rights protections of Palestinians, racial minorities, women, and non-orthodox Jews.

Disclaimer, I'm an American Jewish atheist who hates the occupation raised in a trad cath Christian Zionists (now QAnon) household. I'm also going to be using a lot of terms like ultraorthodox, settler, Zionist, and Jewish supremacist relatively interchangeably to describe a general nexus of absolutely vile and repugnant beliefs. I'm going to be glossing over a lot of nuance and important distinctions but this is going to be long enough as is.

The Israel Knesset, or parliament, is a single house and can pass almost anything by a simple majority. There isn't really an independent executive and true judicial review is a relatively recent phenomenon. Israel has no written constitution or bill of rights. The closest thing are the basic laws which are passed by the Knesset. These are passed by majority vote and and be amended by majority vote.

Israel appoints judges by ostensibly non-partisan means. Since the 50s judicial appointments have been made by a committee of Parliament members, sitting supreme court justices, and members of the legal community. Importantly Knesset members are a minority on the committee because the Knesset was explicitly seeking an apolitical process. By tradition one of the Knesset members on the committee comes from the opposition.

The Israeli supreme court was slowly asserting powers of judicial review. The 1992 basic laws gave the Supreme Court grounds to assert strong judicial review powers over the reasonableness of legislation and the grounds to elaborate an unwritten bill of rights based on the basic laws and international human rights law. This led to a series of landmark rulings expanding the courts ability to review IDF actions, overturning laws expropriating Palestinian land occupied by settlers, overturning segregationist laws affecting Israeli Arabs, overturning punitive laws aimed at African refugees, and overturning the de facto ultra-orthodox exemption from IDF conscription.

Naturally the Israeli right was infuriated at a cabal of unelected and unaccountable judges overturning democratically passed laws. They argued that the apolitical appointment system resulted in a self selecting cabal of liberal activist judges only allowing other liberal activists into the courts and that democratic accountability needed to be restored to the system. Thankfully I'm not the New York Times and I don't have to both-sides this. This is a load of bullshit from assholes upset that other people get to have human rights. I've also seen plausible arguments that that court has been moving rightward over the past decade just not as fast as the Israeli far right has been going whole hog extremist. (I know what I did there.)

It's worth pointing out that the Jewish community has been experiencing the same tensions and rapid polarization as everyone else. This is a vast oversimplification but it feels like right wing Jews are becoming more Orthodox, more anti-women and anti-LGBTQ, and more militantly Zionist. Meanwhile liberal Jews are becoming increasingly reform, more strongly supporting social and racial justice, speaking out more against the occupation, and more supportive of LGBTQ rights.

The ultraorthodox, settler, and Jewish supremacist groups have been writing off liberal American Jews and even liberal Israeli Jews as not real Jews. Instead they've been deepening their alliances with right wing American Jews, evangelicals, and Christian Zionists. In turn these Christian groups have pushed hard to support the Israeli rightwing and the settler movements.

This all came to a head in the recent elections. Israel was too polarized to form a governing coalition as the center hollowed out. Meanwhile Bibi was desperate to be prime minister to protect himself from looming corruption charges. After five rounds of indecisive elections, Bibi caved and invited a host of far right parties into his coalition to gain a slim majority. Despite Bibi's unpopularity the left and center parties couldn't get their poo poo together and form a majority coalition. The result is the most extreme right wing government in Israeli history.

With their majority, the far right is now empowered to push through their "reforms". In short they are changing the composition of the judicial appointment commission by giving the Knesset members a majority. The next couple of retirements from the court are liberals as well so they're poised to radically change its composition. They are stripping the Supreme court of much of its judicial review powers. They are also vastly weakening the powers and independence of the attorney general which would be responsible for prosecuting corruption charges against Bibi. They are also pushing through laws that would allow far right politicians ruled unfit to hold office to return to power.

If this goes through it will remove the only political institution standing between this far right government and an autocratic, theocratic fundamentalist regime. In one sense this is the same struggle against corrupt right wing authoritarians it seems every country is experiencing right now. Everyone knows this isn't going to stop with the Israeli supreme court. At its core Israel has always struggled with whether it wants to be cosmopolitan democracy with a vision of Judaism that supports human rights, including women's, queer, non Jewish, and Palestinian rights or a theocratic ethnostate governed by a strict ultraorthodox interpretation that considers the very idea of non Jews living in Eretz Israel a desecration of god's will.


That's why reservists are refusing to serve and tens of thousands are protesting in the streets. That's why the Israeli president is warning of civil war. It's not really just a question of how the judicial appointment committee should be appointed. It's the culmination of decades of division into an all out attack on the idea of liberal democracy in Israel, pitting two fundamentally incompatible ideas of what even constitutes Judaism and Jewishness against each other.

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Jun 22, 2007

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Tiny Timbs posted:

As goes cat turd so goes the world

If you don't follow any of the Elon threads it's worth noting that Elon's posts towards catturd2 on Twitter are the world's most pathetically divorced case of "notice me senpai"

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Jun 22, 2007

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Kesper North posted:

Late but here's the deal with Ben Gvir and the Israeli National Guard: Ben Gvir is as hard right a modern conservative Jewish zionist as it gets. He's the sort that believes they should use the IDF to bulldoze the entire West Bank and settle it immediately. Ben Gvir is leveraging Bibi's desperate position to take legitimate control of a state militia, since his citizen militia he ran was disbanded. If Ben Gvir succeeds, he will most likely use his new control of the National Guard to attempt to end the protests through use of force.

This is a massive understatement.

Ben-Gvir a piece of poo poo who openly kept in his living room a portrait of Baruch Goldstein, the terrorist who murdered 29 Palestinians in the Cave of Patriarchs massacre. Ben-Gvir was also convicted under Israeli anti-terorism laws for supporting the Kahanist (think Jewish ISIS) terrorist group Kach. The Israeli Knesset passed an anti-racism election law to outlaw the party. Kach was also a state department designated terrorist organization until it was removed during the Trump administration. It's still a specially designated entity though.

His current party is a Kahanist party and straight up theocratic fascist. He supports expelling "disloyal" Arabs from Israel, but has apologized for his stance during his Kach years when he called for deporting all Arabs. But he specifically called for deporting the leader of the Israeli Arabs party. He also called for the anti-zionist Neturei Karta* ultra-orthodox community to be deported "on a train." I'll let you guess why suggesting removing Jews by train is particularly vile.

Even AIPAC wants nothing to do with these fuckers. Or at least they didn't as of a year or so ago and I'm scared to look to see if that changed.

They also support full repeal of the Oslo Accords, total annexation of the West Bank, and essentially immunity from prosecution and unlimited rules of engagement for the IDF. They want Orthodox indoctrination in Israeli schools. The general ideology is that only Orthodox Jews should have citizen rights in Israel, that Israel should be a theocratic society adhering to strict Orthodox interpretation, and want to ban miscegenation in the form of Jewish interfaith relationships.

Ben-Gvir is also a provocateur and absolute poo poo-stirer. You may remember the protests and violence a few months ago at the temple mount? That was started by Ben-Gvir staging an official visit.

Also surprising no one he received a religious exemption from IDF service.


*Neturei Karta and an ultra-orthodox sect that is militantly anti-zionist. They believe that Israel can only be founded by the messiah. They further believe the messiah cannot return to found Israel if Israel already exists. So they call for the dismantling of Israel so that the Messiah can appear and found Israel.

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Jun 22, 2007

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Crab Dad posted:

I take it since the IDF doesn’t have any ultra orthodox members due to religious exemption they arnt completely onboard with this lunatic? Sounds like he has mostly non trained up partisan support?

The exemption was open to students studying full time at yesheva. Ultraorthodox could still choose to serve. I imagine some did. There are also plenty of right wing anti-Palestinian racists who aren't ultraorthodox. But overall I imagine the IDF and IDF reservists are less ultraorthodox than general Israeli society. This is my across the ocean view at least. I don't have hard numbers off hand. I would not put my hopes on "well if it comes to violence in the streets the democracy side will be better trained and organized".

When I did birthright a decade ago we stayed a few days at a kibbutz settlement in the occupied west bank. They had their own private security force walking around with assault rifles. Most were some degree of Orthodox but I wouldn't call the place ultraorthodox by any stretch. If I remember correctly at least a few of the security personnel I talked to served in the IDF. Also the trip organizers were really mad at me when I told the rest of the group we were in a west bank settlement.

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Jun 22, 2007

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Platystemon posted:

Where did the rest of the group think that they were? The Moon?

A kibbutz is just a type of commune. The previous one we stayed at was in Israel proper. They just told us we were at another Kibbutz "east of Jerusalem" until I pointed out the only thing east of Jerusalem is the west bank.

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Jun 22, 2007

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Apparently a Shin Bet counterterrorism team was able to track down and arrest several armed right wing instigators intending to cause violence against the Israeli pro democracy protestors.

I firmly wish the Israeli extreme right has even more fun being on the wrong side of the Israeli security services than the Palestinians have.

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Jun 22, 2007

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I always buy 44 real trees per holiday season. Artificial trees don't burn as well in the menorah.

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Jun 22, 2007

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At least the US has a highly trained and militarized police force more than capable of standing up to brutal cartel violence.

yes this is sarcasm

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Jun 22, 2007

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In general summary judgement is "if we interpret all the alleged facts most favorably for the other party, they still lose as a matter of law." Its not super common for the entire case to be decided by one. It's basically a way to whittle down the issues into what's a question of law, what's a question of fact, and resolve the questions of law before dealing with the outstanding questions of fact.

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Jun 22, 2007

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Mr. Nice! posted:

This is close but not exactly right. The big thing for summary is that there is no dispute of material fact and the issue can be decided as a matter of law. The first prong is why Dominion did not win on actual malice against both Fox Co. and Fox News and with the publishing portion for Fox Co.

Fox and Fox News were able to present different material facts on these topics, and a jury must decide who is correct when there are disputes of that nature.

I wrote that out super quick so thanks for clarifying.

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