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New Girkin vs. Prigozhin dropped. https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1632328568398139395 https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1632413697523044354 As usual, Prigozhin has nothing concrete to offer except juvenile attempts at trolling.
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Mar 5, 2023 21:26
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Power Khan posted:My Bundeswehr friends tell me this is a good summary That was quite interesting.  Nice to be back
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Mar 5, 2023 21:26
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Thank you for bringing this back it's like 90% of my use of SA right now.
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Mar 5, 2023 21:28
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The_Franz posted:Russia also attempted a massive armored assault at Vuhledar that went spectacularly wrong with them losing a total of over 100 tanks and BTRs in one day. kidney diesies can come from just poo poo life style poo poo too(or your born with it like i was). it means he will probably on dyalisis and turn into a skeleton man. thing is he is a rich monster so i am sure he can "find and create" a match for transplant. so who knows.
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Mar 5, 2023 21:28
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Let's get some MAPS https://twitter.com/DefMon3/status/1632444406329638912?t=jz9hrEGTHvgaKkeO-aN1Ng&s=19 Overview and weather: https://twitter.com/DefMon3/status/1632444447136059393?t=Vx_YuDaKIQJhjhQa6HBfbA&s=19 https://twitter.com/DefMon3/status/1632444474348703744?t=5DCAgLiqGqGkRBcG7EPhkQ&s=19
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Mar 5, 2023 21:31
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HonorableTB posted:This is accurate. NAFO is pretty much a counterforce for Russian disinformation and propaganda. It's harder for things to stick if all their channels are clogged with cartoon dogs calling them idiots Yes. For as much as some people might find NAFO to be inappropriately irreverent or even annoying, the movement, such as it is, emerged naturally in response to Russian propaganda across social media and has done a lot to prevent pro-Russian narratives from taking hold outside of the most extreme and isolated online communities.
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Mar 5, 2023 21:32
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Mar 5, 2023 21:32
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NAFO is exactly what it needs to be. The annoyance is the point. Mocking an actual war criminal with cartoon dogs until he gets mad enough at them to actually call them out is perfect.
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Mar 5, 2023 21:34
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Btw, who are the dedicated thread iks? I don't see it mentioned in the op.
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Mar 5, 2023 21:35
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steinrokkan posted:Btw, who are the dedicated thread iks? I don't see it mentioned in the op. CommieGIR and Toxic Mental are the thread IKs. Also I will be here to handle things as needed as well as Tarquinn. karmacomediansa@gmail.com if you don't have plat and want to reach me about an issue
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Mar 5, 2023 21:37
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Karma Comedian posted:CommieGIR and Toxic Mental are the thread IKs. Also I will be here to handle things as needed as well as Tarquinn. ty to each of them for volunteering their time and energy for what is no doubt a pretty thankless task
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Mar 5, 2023 21:38
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https://twitter.com/BattlefieldUkr/status/1631795725850869760
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Mar 5, 2023 21:41
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Herstory Begins Now posted:ty to each of them for volunteering their time and energy for what is no doubt a pretty thankless task  I'm very curious to see how Russia goes about trying to sell Bakhmut as a huge game-changer when they finally take those few square km of bombed out rubble.
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Mar 5, 2023 21:41
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Herstory Begins Now posted:ty to each of them for volunteering their time and energy for what is no doubt a pretty thankless task Indeed.
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Mar 5, 2023 21:44
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So have the tanks arrived in Ukraine yet? Whats going on with that?
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Mar 5, 2023 21:45
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Hollismason posted:So have the tanks arrived in Ukraine yet? Whats going on with that? Regardless of when they arrive, Ukraine isn't going to deploy them until their next major offensive, probably in April.
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Mar 5, 2023 21:46
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tiaz posted:
Anyone that thinks capturing Bakhmut and Soledar and the nearby towns will be some gigantic "victory" for Russia will probably get extremely frustrated at finding out they have to repeat it all over again along the next defensive lines. And there's enough room to repeat this process as many times as needed. Remember that with the capture of Severodonetsk and Lysychansk last year the whole Russian offensive culminated, forming the conditions necessary for the Kharkiv and Kherson offensive.
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Mar 5, 2023 21:47
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:At least we have a thread to post in. Which is a pretty serious change from the previous answer. Can we just loving collectively do the right thing and follow the rules? I'm sure I'm going to be probated at some point for too much detail in an analysis. I'll use that opportunity to be more editorial and move on. i just want to say that this is an epic username/post combo
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Mar 5, 2023 21:49
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zone posted:Anyone that thinks capturing Bakhmut and Soledar and the nearby towns will be some gigantic "victory" for Russia will probably get extremely frustrated at finding out they have to repeat it all over again along the next defensive lines. And there's enough room to repeat this process as many times as needed. Remember that with the capture of Severodonetsk and Lysychansk last year the whole Russian offensive culminated, forming the conditions necessary for the Kharkiv and Kherson offensive. Much depends on how well the Ukrainian counter attack this Spring works out. If it leads to another large-scale Russian withdrawal on some front then this might be over in a nearish future (1-2 years or so). Otherwise it will be this, grind for small towns and minor cities until foreseeable future, until something in the Russian leadership changes, or western support implodes.
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Mar 5, 2023 21:50
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Hollismason posted:So have the tanks arrived in Ukraine yet? Whats going on with that? Tanks are arriving bit by bit, but the next major offensive will be in April onward depending on the weather conditions, however Ukraine might still decide to buy further time to accumulate more resources even if conditions seem favorable.
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Mar 5, 2023 21:51
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I agree that we should not be using the term orcs to describe russians because as we all know the orcs redeemed themselves during the warcraft3 campaign: reign of chaos (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Mar 5, 2023 21:52
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Xibanya posted:so whose balls are getting nuked this Tuesday? Always Willo567 In other news, Solovyov nearly got himself aced in Vuhledar: https://charter97.org/en/news/2023/3/5/538749/ article posted:The film crew was sent under artillery fire personally by the head of the Russian General Staff Valery Gerasimov.
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Mar 5, 2023 21:55
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I know it might be hard to believe, but there's something on fire today in russia https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1632475044273086467
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Mar 5, 2023 21:55
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Der Kyhe posted:Much depends on how well the Ukrainian counter attack this Spring works out. If it leads to another large-scale Russian withdrawal on some front then this might be over in a nearish future (1-2 years or so). The bottleneck for this war is russian materiel rather than their numbers of soldiers under arms. They're already resorting to making strange Frankenstein's monster type technicals, such as the MT-LB with the naval gun mounted on top. The rate of losses of tanks and IFVs don't even match their rate of restoration or production per year even if you only use Oryx's list of battlefield equipment losses. Within another year, I would find myself surprised if Russia has anything approaching an actual land army left.
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Mar 5, 2023 21:58
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Tai posted:You have to be very respectful when discussing russian conscripts raping and murdering ukrainian civilians and dumping their bodies in mass graves Pander posted:They didn't want to be there, raping and looting and murdering civilians. They were FORCED to. So have some empathy! Just a warning here for everyone - but don't post like this. This kind of posting got us shut down previously. I get that it's frustrating, but you can do better. Toxic Mental fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Mar 5, 2023 |
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Mar 5, 2023 22:02
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lifetime supply of Pocky posted:Sorry Toxic Mental, but the admins are loving idiots. This rule is stupid, and repeating it is stupid. Tai posted:You have to be very respectful when discussing russian conscripts raping and murdering ukrainian civilians and dumping their bodies in mass graves the really hosed up warcrimes, like bucha, have been committed by volunteer units. most have been identified at this point. the russian conscripts are largely, at the individual level, victims of the russian state's aggression about as much as the ukranian conscripts and civilians are. they're not making decisions about where they'll go or what they'll do, and if they refuse on the front, they'll likely be executed on the spot many of them are ethnic minorities who have been mobilized in a form of utilitarian ethnic cleansing being conducted by russia several entire villages and regions populated by various ethnic minorities in russia have been just about swept clean of 18-60 year old men, all essentially sentenced to death by the russian state with ukranian munitions being the method of execution The number of Russian casualties skyrocketing after the mobilization isn't only because of poor training and equipment. it's because a big chunk of them were drafted and sent into absorb bullets while also being an easy way for Russia to rid itself of various indigenous and minority groups - history will view this as a crime against humanity in itself I've got a friend who is working constantly trying to help friends in Russia escape conscription and flee the country - if they're not able to, would you cheer for their deaths too? I know this makes harder to see it as a "goodguy vs badguy" conflict where it's easy to feel good about all the badguys dying by seeing them as some inherently evil, dehumanized greenskinned construct; that is because it's not a "goodguy vs badguy" conflict. those don't exist. The closest example would be WWII - but did the people in Dresden and Tokyo deserve to be firebombed? Did the child soldiers drafted in the defense of Berlin 'have it coming' too? war has victims on both sides, always has, always will this is the reality of the situation - it's not good, it is war. you can't make it good. trying to create and frame a worldview that sees large groups of people dying violently as an objective good is bad. I'm not saying the Ukrainians are bad for defending themselves by whatever means necessary, they kinda have to. That being true however doesn't mean that many of Russia's conscripts aren't also victims in this situation. The terrible things that've been done by russian troops doesn't mean it's not loving gross to talk about people from a country of a hundred forty million like they're all murderous rapists if they couldn't dodge the draft. it's gross to not make the distinction, while cheering for their deaths equally, between people who've actually done or are doing horrible things, and people who were unlucky enough to be born in the same country and are too poor to escape conscription. please consider the point I'm trying to make here. if it makes you feel sad and conflicted, you understand it. its not a fun point to make, and I'm not trying to light the thread up, I just want to say that.
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Mar 5, 2023 22:04
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Athanatos posted:Also if you want discussion about how admins hosed it up forever or how things should be different, please come to the feedback forum here: https://forums.somethingawful.com/forumdisplay.php?forumid=686 You can make a new thread in there for issues. Use that space so we can fix things and hear you out and this thread can stay on topic. this forum is utter rear end for any form of discussion. thanks
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Mar 5, 2023 22:05
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Mar 5, 2023 22:06
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Prigozhin is making strange threats that I don't think he's really in the position to be making. https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1632148708748935168?s=20 That's quite the implied threat to Gerasimov and Shoigu. With Kadyrov recently poisoned (which is interesting because Kadyrov himself reported that one of his top generals had been poisoned recently, his own poisoning shouldn't be a surprise..), Prigozhin seems to be digging himself into a hole that may turn out to be a tunnel or his own grave, depending on how Bakhmut turns out. If Bakhmut doesn't fall to Wagner or the RUAF, Prigozhin's days are numbered Edit: christ prigozhin always talks like he's got a bunch of marbles in his mouth HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Mar 5, 2023 |
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Mar 5, 2023 22:07
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Herstory Begins Now posted:bycha wasn't conscript units and conscript weren't even legally allowed to be sent to war zones and the handful of times it happened it was a huge scandal. first 6 months of the war was entirely entirely volunteer army and PMCs doing the fighting. that's what i said, they were volunteers, i think you misread it
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Mar 5, 2023 22:08
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Athanatos posted:Also if you want discussion about how admins hosed it up forever or how things should be different, please come to the feedback forum here: https://forums.somethingawful.com/forumdisplay.php?forumid=686 You can make a new thread in there for issues. Use that space so we can fix things and hear you out and this thread can stay on topic. You have not done enough to make that space at all comfortable for bringing up problems. Now I'm not going to make a super big deal out of this because I just want to chill and enjoy reading this thread, but there's a reason people don't make use of that resource. The leadership of this site has not done enough to ensure that people feel comfortable bringing issues up in such a public space. On topic: lmfao kadyrov is gonna kick it and Chechnya is gonna fall apart again.
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Mar 5, 2023 22:09
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FirstnameLastname posted:that's what i said, they were volunteers, i think you misread it yeah, I misread it as volunteer militia (which is a thing russia uses a fair amount of), not as volunteer regular military
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Mar 5, 2023 22:09
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Are we allowed to dehumanize Russian soldiers and joke about them dying if we do it individually instead of en masse? For example, remember the pictures of that one General or whatever who's so fat he's practically spherical? Can we, say, debate the odds that he'll die of a heart attack on a toilet vs. the odds of dying of a heart attack while attempting to loot a toilet? Or can we perhaps come up with comical scenarios about how he'd have so much rear end hanging off either side of the toilet when he sits down that it's arguably inside him, and then he can't get it out and the poor mobiks have to come in and unbolt it from the floor and rush the General, toilet and all, to the nearest infirmary camp, where the doctors give him a bunch of Taco Bell and then point his butt toward Bakhmut and sure enough, soon the intestinal pressure shoots the toilet out like an artillery shell, but they forgot to account for the weight of the poop that was already in the toilet so the trajectory fell a little short and anyway that's how another A-50 got its radome crunched by a toilet falling from the sky? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Mar 5, 2023 22:09
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Power Khan posted:I know it might be hard to believe, but there's something on fire today in russia Honestly after all of this is over I'm curious finding out how much of these fires are intentional sabotage by Ukraine and it's assets, by internal dissidents, or just flat out industrial accidents. Nelson Mandingo fucked around with this message at 22:17 on Mar 5, 2023 |
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Mar 5, 2023 22:09
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HonorableTB posted:Prigozhin is making strange threats that I don't think he's really in the position to be making. lol He's really doing the "take my ball and going home" threat? I know he looks like a baby but god drat
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Mar 5, 2023 22:09
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FirstnameLastname posted:
this is an insanely, insanely bad and frankly offensive comparison it is extremely easy to not go to war right now and people who go are driven by money
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Mar 5, 2023 22:10
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fatherboxx posted:this is an insanely, insanely bad and frankly offensive comparison ? Do you think the recruiters are *asking* the people they're recruiting and sending out to fight? They literally don't have a choice. If you refuse conscription you go to prison - where you also get conscripted. Powered Descent posted:Are we allowed to dehumanize Russian soldiers and joke about them dying if we do it individually instead of en masse? iirc general orb wasn't actually a general and it was some border guard guy i don't personally have a problem with people celebrating actual bad people having bad stuff happen to them, e.g. when the official Russian Orthodox Missile Priest got hit with a missile? That was funny and he absolutely had it coming. They had all the choice in the world to not be that and chose to be that and that's what happens It's when people dehumanize/deathwoot faceless "conscript/mobiks/russians" who they don't know anything about, some of which might've never done a bad thing in their lives and were then forced into a dumb war, that it feels messed up. If you don't know anything about someone you shouldn't be glad they died, you know? Even the early "volunteer" conscripts that herstory mentioned, the very first waves many of them had a volunteer contract forced in their face the night before they were sent into combat, lots didn't even know they were invading Ukraine, and if they refused they got the poo poo beaten out of them. Basically assigning traits/value/motive to vast swathes of people is the root of it, it's a more complicated situation than goodguy/badguy and trying to see it as such requires dehumanizing a lot of people and is bad. I know the ukranians currently fighting them don't have the liberty to see things like that, because war psychologically requires the goodguy/badguy dehumanizing mentality. You can't shoot at people while acknowledging they think and feel the same stuff as you, and when your country's getting invaded by an army, you have to shoot at the invaders, the dehumanization comes with the territory. Doesn't make it good, but it just happens. People itt are not fighting in a war however and adopting that mindset is just gross if it's not required to survive - at the most extreme, it's where warcrimes come from, it's where japanese internment camps came from, it's where the Muslim Ban and poo poo come from. It's always bad to dehumanize large groups of people. When it's specific assholes for specific reasons though (e.g. Girkin, Solovyov, Prizhogin, Kadyrov, the troops that committed the bucha atrocities) that's just common sense and being accurate FirstnameLastname fucked around with this message at 22:50 on Mar 5, 2023 |
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Mar 5, 2023 22:15
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FirstnameLastname posted:? Yes You just ignore the mobilization draft notice and dont go Conscripts in the regular draft are not used in combat and not sent to Ukraine but are persuaded to sign service contracts
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Mar 5, 2023 22:16
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FirstnameLastname posted:? They have a choice whether or not to commit war crimes. "Just following orders" has a rather bad history as an argument.
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It's unfortunate about the mobiks but ultimately there's nothing we can do about them and they are, at the end of the day, the ground forces of the aggressor state participating in an illegal invasion during a war of imperialistic expansion. You can feel bad about the mobiks who don't have a choice, nobody's stopping you from feeling that way, but at the end of the day the Russian armed forces are - indeed - The Baddies. HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Mar 5, 2023 |
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