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CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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Nooner posted:

I'm not reading the whole OP, whats the haps on saying the LOTR word, is that off the table still?

It's off the table. No bigotry and dehumanizing language

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CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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Scorched earth seems to be the only thing they are capable of

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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zone posted:

Question, where did you get Warhammer out of this?

Russia is having to negotiate with the Machine Spirits to bring back vintage tanks due to wiping out the stock of their new ones.

Also they had to put Putin on the Golden Chair to keep the mobnik warp open.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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frumpykvetchbot posted:

or the bloodsoaked toy horse,

or the sarcastic ЗА ДЕТЕЙ ("for the children") message scrawled on the rocket booster.

this was about a week after the russians bombed the Mariupol drama theater, which was marked as refuge with ДЕТЕЙ printed on the ground in large letters visible from high altitude.

Infuriating to remember.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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GRECOROMANGRABASS posted:

I just learned that Belarus and Russia both use the Ruble as currency. Is Belarus the reason the RUB hasn't collapsed in value completely? I remember Russia floundering to domestically produce formally imported goods and coming up with things like Thicc Lady Wine and it didn't seem to be an effort that would result in a sustainable economy..

Belarus is effectively a Russian satellite at this point, but a lot of this goes back to Belarus basically joining with Russia as a union state:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_State

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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Barudak posted:

The ruble is steady exactly how the Lebanese Pound is steady. There is an "official" exchange rate the government controls and it is completely out of sync with reality as experienced on the ground.

And Russia is no longer really reporting what they base the value on, so its safe to say its founded in myth by now.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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Panzeh posted:

Yeah, Lukashenko called in the Russian security services to deal with its unrest, and the devil's bargain was Belarus becoming a union state.

Yeah there really isn't any real separation of the two anymore. Russia has bases in Belarus, operates from Belarus, Lukashenko rules largely at Putin's whim.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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Set posted:

The Putin regime's goal in Ukraine is not only to occupy the land, but to exterminate anything Ukrainian. Everything from the population and history to culture, they work tirelessly behind the frontlines, in the lands they have violently stolen. This is both a well planned and organized effort, and more information on how this is happening keeps coming out. This specific article is mainly about what happened to to the Kherson Regional Art Museum during the Russian occupation. All art that was deemed worth something was stolen, while all that was left behind were paintings of Lenin and some statues that were deemed to heavy to lug around by the Russian troops. Check out the link for pictures of the unwanted Lenin paintings and a short video where you get shots of the, now rather empty, museum.

Author: Antti Kuronen
Release date: 19.02.23
Link to untranslated article: https://yle.fi/a/74-20018640

Yup, the goal is basically well stated: Ethnically Cleanse Ukrainians and, if not that, outright genocide of Ukrainians. Its practically straight Russian Lebensraum. Remember than when Crimea was annexed one of the first things they started to do was force out ethnic Crimeans and Ukrainians in favor of Russian transplants.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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Futanari Damacy posted:

Negotiations stop wars, not weapons.

:siren:Minsk 1 and Minsk 2 say hi. Knock it off. Final warning.:siren:

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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HonorableTB posted:

Yes, we're still dumb as hell

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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Lord Awkward posted:

"PoochPooch was defenestrated on the way back to his home oblast."

Ah good, the new Chainsaw Man arc where Putin merges with Pochita.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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KirbyKhan posted:

War is bad

Then why'd Putin start one? Let us know so we can truly enjoy your insightful trollposting!

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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Captain Fargle posted:

Everyone talks about how Russia has taken extreme losses trying to capture Bakhmut but nobody ever clarifies what qualifies as extreme. Do we have any actual idea numbers wise as to what they've thrown at it?

Given that Russia has largely been just throwing men into the slaughter, and has very little gains to show for it....its reasonable to assume a fair amount have been killed.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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Guys, don't engage please. They are probed, move on.

Philonius posted:

On the off-chance that you're not merely stirring the pot, here's why :

1. Russia's stated goal, repeated daily on their state TV, is the extinction of any notion of Ukranians as a separate people. Any peace deal that leaves Russia in control of part of Ukraine subjects the people in the occupied areas to more of the deprivations, from deportations, filtration camps, and the run of the mill abuse they subject their current domestic population to.

2. Any peace deal that leaves Russia in control of part of Ukraine would be rewarding Russia for their aggression. It needs to be clear to dictators the world over that conquest is not an option the rest of the world will tolerate.

And the big one:

3. Russia has shown itself to be, both in this conflict as well as in the past, as a completely unreliable entity. They have used a similar cease fire in their conflict in Chechnia to regroup and return later to finish the job. They have negotiated evactuation corridors for civilians only to promptly target them with artillery. Any peace deal with Russia that leaves them in control of any of the occupied territories won't be worth the paper it's written on. The notion of a negotiated peace that will satisfy Russia in the long term, giving them some concessions to end the bloodshed, is an illusion. Anyone advocating it is either naive or malicious.

They made the Minsk I and II agreements and then fully supported the Rebels in reneging the agreements. Russia doesn't want peace. It wants land. Anybody pretending Russia is even remotely interested in peace is fully ignoring their actions both here, in Georgia, Chechnya, and elsewhere.

Everytime they've made an agreement, they've just used to it open new fronts elsewhere or commit outright crimes against humanity. And now they've openly admitted their goal is both ethnic cleansing and genocide, you cannot pretend they want peace at all.

CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 20:33 on Mar 6, 2023

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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Flyinglemur posted:

Title of your sex tape

Best seller indeed.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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Runa posted:

How monstrous.

War is bad, and Russia is the warmongering party.

A peace settlement without Russia leaving all of Ukraine, including Donbas and Crimea, is not peace.

Yeah I think its the oddest take that people are pretending both that Ukraine wanted this war, delights in their cities being bombarded, AND should roll over and allow Russia to carry out its ethnic cleansing scheme. Especially after two failed cease fire agreements that resulted in further bloodshed prompted by Russia and its parties.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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Russia specifically is not exactly friendly to the Crimean Tatars:

quote:

In March 2014, the annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation unfolded, which was, in turn, declared illegal by the United Nations General Assembly (United Nations General Assembly Resolution 68/262) and which led to further deterioration of the rights of the Crimean Tatars. Even though the Russian Federation issued Decree No. 268 "On the Measures for the Rehabilitation of Armenian, Bulgarian, Greek, Crimean Tatar and German Peoples and the State Support of Their Revival and Development" on 21 April 2014,[96] in practice it has treated Crimean Tatars with far less care. The Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights issued a warning against the Kremlin in 2016 because it "intimidated, harassed and jailed Crimean Tatar representatives, often on dubious charges",[43] while the representative body the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar People was banned.[97]

The UN reported that of the over 10,000 people left Crimea after the annexation in 2014, most were Crimean Tatars,[98] which caused a further decline of their fragile community. Crimean Tatars stated several reasons for their departure, among them insecurity, fear, and intimidation from the new Russian authorities.[99] In its 2015 report, the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights warned that various human rights violations were recorded in Crimea, including the prevention of Crimean Tatars from marking the 71st anniversary of their deportation.[100]

So yeah. Ukraine was indifferent to the Tatars, but Russia is outright antagonistic to them

quote:

By 2004 the Crimean Tatars formed 12 per cent of the population of Crimea.[93] The return was fraught: with Russian nationalist protests in Crimea and clashes between locals and Crimean Tatars near Yalta, which needed army intervention. Local Soviet authorities were reluctant to help returnees with jobs or housing,[94] After the dissolution of the USSR, Crimea was part of Ukraine, but Kyiv gave limited support to Crimean Tatar settlers. Some 150,000 of the returnees were granted citizenship automatically under Ukraine's Citizenship Law of 1991, but 100,000 who returned after Ukraine declared independence faced several obstacles including a costly bureaucratic process.[95]

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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steinrokkan posted:

It would be kinda sad if Russia had to rely on informants to figure out if a public object is a military installation or a mall. More likely they don't care or they use doctored language for plausible deniability.

It wouldn't surprise me if he was under direct orders to label civilian shopping centers as military post facto.

Terror bombings is a Russian military tradition.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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freeasinbeer posted:

Or one part of his “chain of command” telling him to do that, and the folks that do targeting not checking of giving a poo poo.

Or dude was just a huge piece of poo poo.

This the same military that actively sought out and targeted hospitals and civilians in Syria. Its a feature of the system, not a bug.

When you've openly stated your goal is ethnic cleansing and genocide, any doubt goes out the window that this guy is just a fluke in the system, as if the theater bombing needed any more proof of that.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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Peace at all cost when the cost is human suffering and dignity is a false peace.

I think its safe to say you can ignore Kirbykhan since they have nothing but slogans to offer.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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Someone needs to play the VDV video for him and ask if that was the well trained and equipped army.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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Warbadger posted:

Ok, so we imagine they've got a legit big army fully equipped with the best gear and super well trained ninja operator types. Totally real and strong and that dude's friend.

And they aren't using it. Instead they throw mountains of irreplaceable equipment into important battles along with rear echelon troops to accomplish nothing while the ubermensch legion sits on its rear end. I guess waiting for the key moment when a breakthrough happens so they can... drive in against little resistance to occupy some territory up to the next line of contact?

Now imagine thinking this is smart.

"We're recruiting and slaughtering our population, which was already in a growth crisis, but trust us, the REAL army has yet to show its face. Lemme just dig around the toybox and see what equipment we have left..."

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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armpit_enjoyer posted:

And then your opponent draws that one final land they needed to cast In Garruk's Wake they've been holding since turn 1 and they rub in your loss the entire way home.

7 and two black, jesus yeah you'd have to really wait to play it.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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Funky See Funky Do posted:

The narrative now is in Russia's favour. They're not being beaten by Ukraine they're fighting a war against the entire West. That's not entirely untrue BUT the most important defeat Russia faced was at the beginning of the war when Ukraine alone stopped the Russian advance in its tracks with only fairly cheap western anti-tank weapons and the army they already had - which was almost entirely dated Russian equipment.

I don't think that narrative even sells in Russia, so I don't think this is true. Most Russians just want to ignore the war more than take sides.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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Deki posted:

It's their narrative but I wouldn't be bragging about losing because my much poorer, smaller opponent got the military equivalent of loose change from the couches of a bunch of nations that drew down their militaries in the post-Cold war era (also America)

NATO's main overwhelming advantages (airpower and force projection via navies and foreign bases) aren't even a factor in this since Ukraine hasn't been getting planes nor boats.

The sheer scale of what could be brought to bear in a fight vs what they're actually facing is immense.

This is really the crux of it: Russia hasn't even remotely faced NATO, but the fact that they struggle this bad against a small, recently raised army is a sure sign any conflict with NATO would not go well for their forces in the field.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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"If you don't like your guy, we can get rid of him for you"

Seriously this is dark poo poo.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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zone posted:

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1633384708544274432
Guys I found the "well equipped army" Prigozhin was boasting about near the tank monument. :laffo:

....is that a rototiller without the tiller attached?

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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a podcast for cats posted:

Yep, pretty much. I think the term was "motoblock": https://moto-lux.com.ua/en/motobloki-zubr/

edit: as far as improvised pre/post-apocalyptic means of transporting things, it's not that terrible of an option, imo

I'll be honest, that's pretty cool.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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spankmeister posted:

Putin literally has an FSO dude with a briefcase following him around everywhere he goes whose job is to collect his poo

I mean, to be fair, the US Secret Service does this too. This is common for world leaders.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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free hubcaps posted:

Word is most of the current russian defense budget is being spent on developing underpants-reinforcing technology

Which means its getting pilfered by some oligarch.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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Well Ukraine for one. They've slaughtered and decimated units that were supposed to stand up to NATO frontline troops. Yes, Ukraine's taken losses, but the ones they've inflicted on Russian main line forces are beyond what could've been expected.

The VDV was supposed to be able to taken and hold NATO strongpoints in a rush Westward. It was utterly crushed due to poor planning outside Kyiv. Multiple major armor and mechanized infantry units lost the bulk of their experienced and trained forces.

The idea that Russia would need to even contemplate a total mobilization to fight a small next door nation would've been incomprehensible prior to the Ukraine invasion.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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some plague rats posted:

I'm trying not to, thanks for the support.

Then what is your goal here? Either contribute, discuss, or lurk please. If you don't like a post report it.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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Toxic Mental posted:

Let's end the derail here, thanks folks.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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HonorableTB posted:

It's also my birthday :toot:

Mine as well, happy birthday friend.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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GBS is an appropriate place for puns unless we go too far out to pasture, then we'll rope you back.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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Rev. Bleech_ posted:

please don't start beef with GIP

Don't worry GiP was just enforcing discipline in the troops.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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zone posted:


His withering sarcasm never fails to be on point.

"We can't pile them up because they keep blowing up the piles!"

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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pro starcraft loser posted:

Russians referring to the Ukrainian troops as 'invaders' is really odd.

Its part of the whole "Ukrainian troops are really NATO and NATO invaded Ukraine to keep them from our sphere of influence" schtick.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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HonorableTB posted:

Lol I looked up this air base where it happened. They have loving civilian houses within 100m of the base, which AREN'T ON THE BASE LMAO





I can totally see this being some pissed off mobik that just got papers to report or something. But if I see any other sources I'll drop them here for sure

It also means they are probably not patrolling the flightline which is a major no-no in base security.

USAF bases always have someone nearby the flightline on guard and usually a Security Forces vehicles driving around the flightline at night.

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CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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weg posted:

This seems like it would be most effective as a psychological weapon. Thinking your opponents were that heavily armed would be terrifying. If you're going to be shooting that much from a light machine gun wouldn't you also likely be stationary? Seems kinda cumbersome.

Unless you paired it with a Jin-Roh style armor suit and made anime real.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marching_fire

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