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gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

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So you're on a game show, right? And then Stalin tells you pick between three doors. There's grain behind one door, and there's nothing behind two of the doors. You pick a door, say, door 1, and then Stalin, who knows what's behind all of the doors, opens another door, say, door 3, just to show you that there's nothing behind door 3. Stalin then asks you if you want to switch your choice from door 1, to door 2. Do you?

Monty Hall-o-domor

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gradenko_2000
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https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1634090145132445698

the thread acknowledging what the Belgian government just recognized DEFINITELY happened

gradenko_2000
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9/11 definitely happened

gradenko_2000
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It's Always Hungry in Poltava

gradenko_2000
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https://twitter.com/JoshC0301/status/1636501613970956288?t=TrJh1rTgZ_j4cP3XQyXhJw&s=19

Lol

gradenko_2000
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gradenko_2000
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Stalin stays winning

gradenko_2000
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Frosted Flake posted:

Really, they have the problem of two competing audiences. Domestically, it's understood that the atrocities (and natural disasters) attributed to the Soviets were the Judeo-Bolsheviks' fault, and therefore the Holocaust was justified, but since they can't say that to western audiences, really the best they've produced is two unrelated (by their own explanations of cause and effect) bad things happened in a region. That's not really a coherent narrative.

The most obvious tell is that the Ukrainian and Baltic nationalists, so far as I am aware, never say that the Holocaust is a bad thing that happened to them, as a nation. The famine was done to Ukraine and Ukrainians, the Holocaust...just happened? I don't know, I'm curious how far the mask slips now that western liberals are enraptured with Eastern European blood and soil nationalism.

they're too invested in either of these narratives to really let them go

a sunk holo-cost fallacy

gradenko_2000
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https://twitter.com/NathanJRobinson/status/1638580838337060891?t=jJyaosbJmIhBzKm9fewUhg&s=19

gradenko_2000
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quote:

In the ongoing rivalry between the two powers, Stalin and his propagandists never missed a chance to slam the United States for its record on racial injustice, deploying the bitter phrase “А у вас негров линчуют” (“And you are lynching Negroes!”) whenever American diplomats criticized the USSR’s human rights abuses. This was, of course, a cynical ploy,

gradenko_2000
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Frosted Flake posted:

Stalin was better, for having both convictions and the will to see them through, than Bernie, Corbyn or Warren by every metric that counts except feeding Ukrainians.

quote:

Anyone who still uses the word 'tankie' or calls themselves a 'Democratic Socialist' should grow up and learn the lesson of Sanders and Corbyn: you can distance yourself from Communism and The Bad Socialists and Authoritarian Regimes, hollow out your politics to be as non-challenging as possible, squeeze yourself into the Overton window, play nice with imperialism, be the mildest of Social Democrats, etc, as much as you like—but if it looks for a moment like you might get near power, Capital will ratfuck you in a heartbeat all the same.

Consider yourself lucky that, unlike the left of the Global South, you have been taught this lesson bloodlessly, and you might get over the ideological equivalent of a pick-me complex. Or you could walk into the end of this political cul de sac forever like a broken Skyrim NPC I guess, that's cool too.

gradenko_2000
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https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1638880632523595776

it DEFINITELY happened

gradenko_2000
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I would like to state that I do not endorse nor support this view.

gradenko_2000
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lol this thread is about to take a hell of a swerve

gradenko_2000
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fanfic insert posted:

Stalin after eating all the grain: lol someone keeps eating all the grain, whats up with that? looking at you kulaks

Maybe I do have a moral aversion to surplus grain because here goes. You could have continued doing this forever if you weren't trying to pin the blame on the kulaks. I read the books by Robert Conquest and thought to myself "drat - who would be dumb enough to accuse Stalin of a genocide?" It seemed to good to be true from your perspective, and well, it was. Why the gently caress would you eat all the grain yourself? I know you are aware of the ongoing discussion about intent and culpability. The part that has gone unsaid is that I can look up when someone redirects grain shipments to themselves, and that's what you did here. You order the regional SSRs to do so and they are associated with your decrees.

gradenko_2000
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The avviedomor

gradenko_2000
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CRAZY KNUCKLES FAN posted:

Not exactly a neocon but wasn't Jim Cramer say he was a Trotskyite in college

He's destroyed more capital than most communists, I'd say he's doing a good job

gradenko_2000
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The Tiktokdomor

gradenko_2000
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https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/sta...ingawful.com%2F

It DEFINITELY happened

gradenko_2000
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The cholodomor

gradenko_2000
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Weka posted:

Nipponodomor, the ending of Japanese rule, which had many benefits for Taiwan.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-taiwan-china-idUSKCN0SJ03Y20151025

https://twitter.com/MissPavIichenko/status/1643055001105825792

gradenko_2000
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Weka posted:

Wasn't that Japan's contemporary claim, even if it was farcical?

yes. Japan made a lot of rhetorical bank from being able to claim that it was freeing peoples from the fetters of [American/British/Dutch] imperialism, and was instituting pan-Asianism, "Asia for the Asians", and so on

gradenko_2000
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gradenko_2000
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The holodomor extended universe

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gradenko_2000
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lobster shirt posted:

a reminder that the purpose of this thread is to affirm that the historical event in question happened

It definitely happened

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