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I'll take things that will definitely end well for 400, Alex.
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habeasdorkus posted:Oh, I should have realized I'd have to come up to comms depth to get new orders. S120 would like to do that, then carry out the previously mentioned orders.  Done!  We'll have to be careful with our releases, there's a lot of civilian traffic around.  We get eyes on our first UAV.  Preliminary strike plans. First will be a radar strike followed up by a strike on the airbases. This should allow us some breathing room over western Turkey, open up the path to Ankara, and allow us to take out the industrial sites. Without these all gone we'll have Peace Onyx's on our tail the whole time.  TheGreat Evil King has an Izmir radar in MLRS range, this will save us some HARM's.  We also have a recon team, with C-4, who is headed for a RAT-31DL radar. That leaves us with a pair of radar's to strike, and of course a bunch of F-16's to fight through. But, if all goes well, it'll be able to strike all four bases and maybe even lob something at that Wedgetail. Plus we'll need some HARM's on standby for pop up SAM threats.  This is interesting, our AEW picked up a radar contact from a submarine mast.  Recon team is in position. It's time plan our strike!  So all of the Turkish air assets went for fuel at once... this could be used to our advantage if we can time the next refuel. Though they refueled pretty drat quick. Next post will be our strike planning and, hopefully, execution!
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Apr 4, 2023 23:36
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There are gonna be a lot of things going boom at once.
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habeasdorkus posted:There are gonna be a lot of things going boom at once. The main question is will be it be us going boom, or the targets.
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Apr 5, 2023 13:08
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Hopefully more of the latter than the former, but given how many forces are at play probably both. With all the commercial traffic in the region, how hard is it going to be for a sub to determine they've got a Turkish Navy or one of the oil exploration craft/platforms on radar and not some poor tramp freighter in the wrong place at the wrong time?
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Apr 5, 2023 14:56
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Don't worry, you can always blame it on the other guys later, and blue on purple is mostly fine because purple is pretty close to red already.
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Apr 5, 2023 15:13
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Its gonna be a nice demonstration of how uh, intense a modern peer air war would be.
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Apr 5, 2023 15:42
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Turkiye!!!!!!
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Dandywalken posted:Turkiye!!!!!! Türkiye
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Here we go! First off, as soon as I set the mission up and target Turkiye they are marked hostile. Which means once I unpause it's going to be the SAM PWNZONE over the Turkish coast. So I return them back to Unfriendly to prevent any unwanted violence. The north and middle airbase are big. So we'll break the strikes up a bit with our runway strikers up first. We only have 4 F-16's with anti-runway munitions so I'm going to task some JDAM's on the southern most runway. Not ideal, but you take what you can get.  0035 will be our ToT moment. In the south is GHOST flight with JDAM's. I also have a pair of F-4E Peace Icarus's (Icarii?) with LGB's. Risky, but I'd like to get more ordnance on that runway.  The central base will get hit by F-16's with JDAM's and also with anti runway bomblets.  Then in the north is another paired strike with several more escorts. I'm going to beef this up and also let loose our CAP.  We'll also have 4 HARM wielding F-16's on a SEAD patrol that will go up 4 minutes prior.  1 Minute prior to that we'll have a CAP that is roughly 2:1 what the Turks have in the air. This should blow us open a hole, get the SAM's emitting, and allow our strikers to hit the runways before they launch more.  Souda AB, on Crete, has a sizable striker group, but I'm going to save this for oil rig duty.  Speaking of oil... there's a refinery we'll strike too! We have a window, and I'm using a lot of assets, so we have to get in and bust up every drat thing we see. I add a couple of mop up flights for radars and then start the clock.  0137 finds a pair of Turkish F-16's making a line for my Pegasus drone.  RIP Redcock #2. There we go! It's PWNZONE time. I'm going to keep my strike target but why not let loose with some MLRS systems?  Already our F-16's are lighting up some Seahawks.  C-4 is the best four.  RedCock #1 suffers a similar fate as #2.  TheGreatEvilKing lets loose!  "Vanished"  TGEK also lets loose on a Fast Missile Craft. Which suffers mightily.  Our strikers rise to form up.  Some infantryman with a KOMET ATGM watches as TGEK's cluster munitions rain down on that poor ship. I can only imagine the mans glee. A second ship is just outside range, so we'll keep an eye on that one.  It's starting to get busy over the Aegean.  Down south we have a guided missile frigate heading straight for one of our patrol boats. I task them north and hopefully it'll send that Frigate into the S110 Glavkos.  Though it seems too late for our little friend. It also "vanished".   The CAP at one of our FOB's is about to engage a big pack of hostiles. I get it dudes, you're excited, but chill a bit eh?  Missiles away!  Though it looks like before they went pitbull our strikers evaded and lost lock, but I think the hostiles suffered the same fate.  These dudes just turn back around. gently caress yah.   Going evasive!  And back in they go, holy poo poo.  Now they are out of energy. They expended a ton to evade those first missiles but they are down low where the air is thick and heavy. Can they evade more?  Who's that firing? Big brother, Flight Demon32, with a 120C! These aren't F-16 BLK 30's, but fully kitted out Blk 52" Peace Xenia III's!  Go Dog66 Flight! Go!  Nose to nose he knocks out a bogey!  A moment later though he is struck by an AIM-9X.  His wingmate also bonks one on the nose. A second 9M finishes it and Dog66 Flight is RTB.  Just in time for another rolling batch of missiles. With any luck we drive them down low where our AAA can chew them up, or get them to land where our strikers can lock them down.  0200 finds us with tenuous control of the straits and a hefty package incoming. This should be entertaining.
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Apr 6, 2023 00:43
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Going pretty well so far!
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Apr 6, 2023 05:59
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I wish to sink a Turkish submarine plz Where was that mast contact?
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Apr 6, 2023 07:50
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Well, looks like shooting first really does work.
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paragon1 posted:Going pretty well so far! I think so too! It's refreshing to have an AO where not everyone has super long range laser like SAM systems. The new missile kinematics changes also make for some longer lasting fights. There is no way we'd have seen an engagement like above before those changes. BrotherJayne posted:I wish to sink a Turkish submarine plz South of the dogfight and east of TheGreatEvilKings artillery wagon. I'll see if I can vector you in on it.
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Apr 6, 2023 12:33
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This is a lot more damage than I usually do in these LPs.
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 Gervasius and Brother Jayne are closer to the excitement in the Med, than the excitement up north, so I steer them east.  What the hell is all of this?  Oh, Landing Ship Tanks. We're going to have to do something about that.  We also start getting some solid data on ground units. There's a lot, no surprise there.  We trade a Falcon for a Falcon. We're jammed by something, I don't see any jammers?  Search and Rescue! We have a pilot in the water and SAR helo's 22nm away. I think we're going to pick this one up!  We get two more bogeys coming up from Balikesir.  The SAR helo is up and bogeys are on an intercept. Two of our flights move to engage.  Hostile missiles up! Our flights move to go defensive. All of the missiles miss.  Oof! They strike the SAR helo. We splash both of the bandits without losing any of our Falcons. Both of these were with IRIS-T's too. (IR missile)  More Turkish CAP inbound, they've got a whole slew of missiles incoming. But so do we.  It's starting to get wild over Lesvos.  Splash another Falcon! Again with an IRIS-T. The AIM-120C's seem to be great at getting them to turn tail, but less good at connecting. Though our brawlers can use that time to get in close.  And another! But we trade one Falcon for it. This time to an AIM-9X right to the cockpit.  An IHAWK SAM pops up, I task a HARM F-16 bird onto it. The IHAWK is kind of derpy, but it can cause us to evade when missiles are in so we need to kill it.  HARM's away!  Look at that! A Mobile jammer.  Argh, our Escort was busy chasing a stupid drone and allowed hostiles to get on the rear end of our strikers.  By 0230 it is looking grim for our strikes.  Wut.  We get a good strike on the Runway though with 3 more JDAM's behind it.  And they do well too.  Awesome. We need a good hit about now.  Gradenko bails out over Gezirci Turkey.  Which, according to Google, has a pretty kickin' looking food court.  Our strike on Bandirma has failed. Worse, we seem to have trigger a TurkSwarm out of Ataturk Intl Airport.  Our strikers launch JDAM's on Balikesir and the Turkish F-16's are trying to loving gun them, at 0230 in the morning, at 25,000. What in the actual gently caress? Is that even possible?  We manage a strike, but not on the critical main runway. At the end of our strike we have one runway definitely down, one suffering minor damage, and a last untouched. Things will get challenging from here I think.
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Apr 7, 2023 00:39
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Hoooooooooo, boy.
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Apr 7, 2023 01:42
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That's the nice bit, the moment the plan goes almost perfect and just chips on one tiny corner and suddenly you start realizing that things really aren't okay anymore.
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Apr 7, 2023 02:50
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Shiiiiit
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Sooo...I might be mistaken, but, uh, huge Turkish raid in response to be expected?
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This kind of tracks to our experience in HG and in practice runs for other mission planning in other LPs. Shutting an airfield in CMO is difficult mostly because serious military airports have lots of runways and tarmacs and hangars and the amount of ordinance to close them or hit the right parked jets is surprising. If you knew an airfield was some single runway strip with two tarmac spaces it's so much easier because your payload is far more efficient and doesn't get spread around. Bigger airports need far more planes in the strike package and the results are often disappointing.
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That and you're poking the wasp nest. Re: "my" type 212: I strongly suspect that there are going to be a bunch of Turkish 209s in the waters south of Turkey, so fingers crossed
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Apr 8, 2023 17:37
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Just saw this and can't wait for the Hayard Gunnes redux, South East Asian boogaloo. If there are any assets left can I be inserted into something that's likely to die in a fire within the next hour. Out of interest, does CMANO model nukes?
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Apr 8, 2023 18:45
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Z the IVth posted:Just saw this and can't wait for the Hayard Gunnes redux, South East Asian boogaloo. Oh boy does it ever! Though unless it's a Cold War Gone Hot scenario, you don't really see it.
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Apr 8, 2023 19:40
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Yooper posted:Our strikers launch JDAM's on Balikesir and the Turkish F-16's are trying to loving gun them, at 0230 in the morning, at 25,000. What in the actual gently caress? Is that even possible? What percentage of fixed-wing air-to-air kills post-WWII are guns rather than missiles? I would assume a staggeringly small percentage of the whole.
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PurpleXVI posted:What percentage of fixed-wing air-to-air kills post-WWII are guns rather than missiles? I would assume a staggeringly small percentage of the whole. Many more than you might think. Korea had significant amounts of air combat and missiles were in their infancy and/or poo poo, so dogfighting aplenty. Vietnam saw a renewed effort in training air to air gunnery and dogfighting after missiles didn't pan out to be as effective as expected then, either. Arrath fucked around with this message at 00:16 on Apr 9, 2023 |
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That actually was way more successful than i expected - very well timed and planned to get through that force, even if we couldn't knock out all 3 runways. Do we have a location on the HVT ships or the S400s yet? And how long will it take them to put a force together to take Lesvos? I'd say we should just focus on hitting the research vessels and turtle up against the response, but I've never played this. Are they too well protected?
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E Depois do Adeus posted:That actually was way more successful than i expected - very well timed and planned to get through that force, even if we couldn't knock out all 3 runways. Do we have a location on the HVT ships or the S400s yet? And how long will it take them to put a force together to take Lesvos? I'd say we should just focus on hitting the research vessels and turtle up against the response, but I've never played this. Are they too well protected? I've located, or at least one, the HVT vessels. Negative on the S400, and I'm not sure we have the legs to bust through that defense again and try. I'm for holding the line and waiting for our Exocet strike to come alive and smuck the rigs / HVT.  Time for some BDA! We destroyed a refinery, and damaged another.  Cigli is down a runway, our last contact report shows some F-16's stuck on the ground too. This one was a success.  The LST group is relatively untouched. I'm not sure why, but my strikers did not engage these targets. My SEAD patrol also seems oddly passive. I've given them some tasking to hopefully burn up the HARM's on actual radars. So what's left?  There's a nice pack of F-4E's available, in 20 minutes we'll have like 8 more.  In three hours we'll have all of our M2K strikers. Both SCALP and Exocet. The SCALP is great, but is like a flying bathtub. It's also at 300 ft and 550 knots. We can do some terrain pathing, but my worry is look down radar.  A few F-16's survived, again with a ~3.5 hour ready time for some.  Finally up north is our JSOW strikers and some cap. The JSOW is going to be for something special. I just don't know what yet.  Our M2K's snag another F-16.  A slow motion dog fight evolves west of Lesvos.   We get a troubling radar return over southern Turkey. Attack helicopters.  And look who woke up. Cheese board. Grave stone. One of our S-400's. The troubling fact is it has a 200nm range. Now it has to be able to illuminate, so low flying stuff is safe-er. Sort of.  We get a good fix, looks like it is covering that fleet as well.  Look out Z the IVth! Vampires, likely sub launched.  4 of them. No 8 of them.  And, surprisingly, they either glide on by or are intercepted. Z survives a bit longer.  We send a few Harpoons of our own back towards the probable launch vessel. Dance Officer should appreciate that it is an ex-Dutch vessel. Surveying the scene now shows a sky mostly devoid of Turkish CAP. Did we both exhaust ourselves in that furball? I doubt it... But it sure looks like it would have been smooth sailing for our strikers had I sent up the cap first, and not as escorts.
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Thiseas 7, ready to roll! No matter how many losses we take we can just replace bits of the squadron and it will definitely remain the same squadron.
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Are we winning? I hope we're winning.
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Apr 11, 2023 02:28
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Thiseas 1, ready to rip and tear some tin cans! Let's win this conflict before the Turks get the bright idea to hit us with a strike package.
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How did I miss another Yooper LP!?
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If the whole war goes by without a contact, the entire crew is doing ouzo beerbongs
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How far are our subs from their targets? Wondering if we should risk moving slightly faster in order to get into the fray.
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Between this and the previous scenario I get the feeling that ships are meant to burble innocently along as the missiles go everywhere, having no real input on their fate. Would love to see a Taiwan scenario with a US carrier group dodging waves of ASMs like it's the IJN at Midway.
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habeasdorkus posted:How far are our subs from their targets? Wondering if we should risk moving slightly faster in order to get into the fray. Great question, I'll give an update and we'll look at range to targets at current speed. Z the IVth posted:Would love to see a Taiwan scenario with a US carrier group dodging waves of ASMs like it's the IJN at Midway. The big issue with Taiwan-China scenarios is the sheer size. Not only is there the masses of aircrafts with anti-ship missiles, but also the Chinese Navy ships with ASM's, and also the land based launchers, and the submarines. So in order to show a complete picture you have to deal with everything. Which means the BLUFOR needs a bunch of assets, and next thing you know you're modelling pasta water in the Tunisian desert. There are some absolutely massive south China sea scenarios, but I don't find them enjoyable.
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Yooper posted:Great question, I'll give an update and we'll look at range to targets at current speed. I'm sure there's one about the lone Malaysian submarine hunting for illegal trawlers in the Straits of Malacca.
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Yeah, something in the South China Sea or the Straits of Malacca would be very neat and also have plenty of neutral shipping that we'd have to avoid sinking while picking out our targets.
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habeasdorkus posted:How far are our subs from their targets? Wondering if we should risk moving slightly faster in order to get into the fray. So Purple XVI and HabeasDorkus are both in Harpoon range of targets. Habeas is 30nm away from the east most Drill Platform. PurpleXVI is about 40nm away from the western platform. Both Brother Jayne and Gervasius are about 60nm away from the fleet and there is minimal surface contacts so we'll speed them up.  In north one of our MLRS's moves into position and fires on a radar and Rapier SAM Platoon. Both have good effect on target.  More vampire's home in on our fleet. I've responded with additional Harpoons.    Whew! Good work Arrath! That was your P67.  Meanwhile our own Harpoons are suffering a similar fate and are being intercepted.  We go active!  RIP the F490 Gaziantep, a Perry class frigate. Known to the US Navy as the USS Clifton Sprague until 1997.  I tried a hail mary with an Exocet once I realized I could target ground contacts... and we wiped out a really capable 3d radar with some massive range. Unfortunately there's another radar north of Cyprus, but this will definitely degrade the capabilities. What do you guys think of the dotted trails? They show the tracks of movement over time, I think it gives a bit more info on course and such.  Found those helicopters!  And our own rescue helo eats some AIM-120's.    These kind of cool looking attack helicopters take out the rest of our radars there.  Goblin! And it's pinging with sonar too.  It's moving fast!  Ahh, it's hunting one of our patrol boats. And... they hosed it up. But maybe we can use this opportunity to sneak up into there baffles...  Meanwhile the most inept SA8 battalion ever can't hit poo poo.  RIP.  And suddenly a pair of Tigerfish Torpedo's strikes HabeasDorkus. There is no ASW assets nearby or ships, so it must have been another sub. HD was moving very slowly too...  Torpedo's away!  Strike! We have at least balanced the goblin tally.
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Woo I'm helping! Wow did that SA8 battery miss their shots badly enough that the attack helos turned around and blew them to poo poo? Talk about bad at your job.
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