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Taitale posted:I really think you are overstating the size of that faction given the poo poo they have swallowed this term in exchange for literally nothing. The deal they got this term is pretty much exactly what the faction I'm talking about wants. A couple of decent portfolios but otherwise the ability to criticise the government. Current situation is a great example of this deal working for the greens. If Shaw was in cabinet he'd have been outvoted and these climate policies would've been axed anyway, but then he'd have had to come out and try to sell it as a good thing to the media and the party.
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Content to Hover posted:Expect emails. How involved you get is entirely up to you, how much impact depends on your location, skills and effort. Donations help, practically one useful thing is to get unengaged friends to actually vote. But mostly you will get emails. Reslly appreciate the reply! I know my contributions are going to be miniscule in the grand scheme of things even if it just ends up with me helping out with door knocking and leaflet dropping. All my friends that are politically engaged are going to vote greens or top (lol). I'm in the Dunedin electorate and there seems to be a nice little momentum building at the moment already.
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exmarx posted:they'd have way more influence in cabinet Generally agree and ahead of the last election when my branch was discussing what our priorities were in potential coalition talks I pushed to prioritise roles in cabinet. No one really expected Labour to get a majority on their own, but they did so I actually think the deal they got this time (with no leverage!) was pretty good and preferable to having like a single seat in cabinet. Confusedslight posted:I'm in the Dunedin electorate and there seems to be a nice little momentum building at the moment already. Get involved in Francisco's campaign, he's a gc and will have good people helping. Door knocking is a fun and effective way to contribute!
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Mar 14, 2023 20:05
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I still don't quite understand why labour gave greens anything at all when they didn't need them.
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How does a party measure the effectiveness of their door knocking campaigns?
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klen dool posted:I still don't quite understand why labour gave greens anything at all when they didn't need them. Banking future goodwill, basically. You don't throw your allies out when you don't need them or they'll throw you out when you do.
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I see our communication guide has been sent to the press. Things TP doesn't have: Unified payroll system Unified admin Unified management A plan for any of the above Things TP does have: A 28 page document saying we can't call it TP
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klen dool posted:I still don't quite understand why labour gave greens anything at all when they didn't need them. Recognising competence mostly, they were both really complex roles that Labour didn't have the bandwidth for but supported and can take credit for now. In the case of James as climate minister it adds a buffer between them and some of the more tricky changes too. Ultimately they were pretty heavily ring-fenced roles, so there was almost no downside for Labour. James Shaw is also one of like, maybe four people in the country who understands the ETS well enough to write legislation like the ZCA.
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A less friendly way of looking at it is: because smaller parties tend to suffer in the next election after going in coalition with a bigger party. Labour may have hugged the Greens, with the intention of trying to smother them out.
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That would imply politicians thinking several years ahead which is pretty improbable imo
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Also, Jacinda was just a nice lady who wanted everyone to get along.
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I voted for act like 20ish years ago because I thought it would make a girl like me more remember that every time you think about the youth voting
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i have a coworker who is in his thirties and votes for national because his parents told him to when he got the vote.
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echinopsis posted:I voted for act like 20ish years ago because I thought it would make a girl like me more I voted for Greens for the exact same reason
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Did it work for either of you?
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echinopsis posted:I voted for act like 20ish years ago because I thought it would make a girl like me more I misread this as "my brain" posted:I voted for act like 20ish years ago because I thought it would make a girl, like me, more and I was like "more what? What did it make a girl like you more of?" and it was a very confusing time
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bike tory posted:Did it work for either of you? I'm still here, aren't I
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I'd be interested to see data about how many people vote the same way as their parents across various age groups. I voted Labour like my parents in my first election, not because they said "you should vote Labour", but because they'd brought me up with certain values which I still have. If my parents had brought me up with more right-wing values I'd almost certainly have voted National at least at first. It's nice to tell myself that my life experiences and cultural changes since then would have guided me left as I'd matured and started thinking for myself more but I don't know that for sure. If anything I drifted towards the economic centre for a bit in my early 30s (still never voted right of Labour for social reasons) before doubling back down onto the left and voting Green for the last few and the forseeable future.
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Pretty sure I've never voted the same as my folks, I think they did a better job exposing me to good people than they became themselves in retirement.
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Mar 15, 2023 10:00
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the first time my wife voted she did act + greens
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redleader posted:the first time my wife voted she did act + greens Everyone makes mistakes in their youth I guess
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by the way lol @ stuart nash
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Feels like just losing one portfolio but otherwise keeping your job is a slap on the wrist for what effectively sounds like corruption.
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my parents raised me so obv their judgment is suspect in general, so never voted Nats I voted for list candidate Bike Tory in my first election
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Nash insisting on making being homeless functionally illegal with his pet anti freedom camping legislation, in spite of mbie civil servants repeatedly telling him "this is a really bad idea" seems somewhat worse than this imo
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One of my little brothers voted ACT - basically angry at how government incompetence was loving with him at the time. I pointed out that he was living in the Hawkes Bay, "She'll be ri- aw faaack noooo" was the unofficial provincial motto. I'unno if I managed to convince him that it was an isolated incident, though.
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Can confirm I have been on one of the party lists sent out to every voter.
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I once voted for NZ first  to give myself credit winston did get in and gently caress things up for national somewhat
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Frankly, MMP is great and every vote not for the two primary parties is a good vote. Yes, even that weirdo extremist group that eats puppies. When Labour got a majority party I was happy that my 'anybody but National' agenda was being pandered to, but worried about the long-term effects of absolutely anyone getting a majority; two-party systems are bad and we don't want to mimic them.
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Good thing the media doesn't create that perception at all, that would be bad
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Wish somebody would introduce stv for electorate votes
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bobbilljim posted:I once voted for NZ first What have you done??
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https://www.psa.org.nz/our-voice/wake-up-mr-brown-your-libraries-need-paid-librarians-psa/ Apparently Brown wants to have Auckland libraries staffed by volunteers.
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He is trying to avoid raising rates with over 1.7 billion in incoming costs. Cutting social services such as libraries and the arts for a total of 23 million is the obvious solution. There is no way messing up libraries which are primarily used by old people who vote in local elections could possibly backfire.
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loving over libraries is unforgivable if you ask me. i mean he already sucked but yeah
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Content to Hover posted:He is trying to avoid raising rates with over 1.7 billion in incoming costs. Cutting social services such as libraries and the arts for a total of 23 million is the obvious solution. There is no way messing up libraries which are primarily used by old people who vote in local elections could possibly backfire. I'm starting to hate the man on a personal level
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He's speed running to becoming the most hated mayor in the country. Got to keep those golf courses though!
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Needs to say the n-word to keep pace though
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