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Lil Swamp Booger Baby
Aug 1, 1981

You Are A Elf posted:

Then you get to the second installment of the Three Mothers Trilogy (Inferno) and it's a slog. Great cinematography and very vibrant, but boring as hell. Someone on these boards long ago told me don't even bother with Mother of Tears because it's even more of a bore. I may watch it someday just to say that I completed the trilogy, but Suspiria is the only good one (I've seen), IMO.

A lot of giallo is insanely boring poo poo that just suddenly has crazy rear end poo poo happen inbetween the boring parts or gory stuff. Like Fulci's The Beyond is a movie that's 50% ownage and 50% trying to stay awake. There's a part where spiders attack some dude and it's legit like eight years long.

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Mumpy Puffinz
Aug 11, 2008
Nap Ghost

teen witch posted:

Realtalk that film rules and I have a soft spot for coked King

I love the stupid sting in it so so much (0:06)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGmRdm_oJFQ

coked up king rules
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_bC8fF6WZE&t=28s

bitterandtwisted
Sep 4, 2006




GolfHole posted:

i just saw the 1970's made-for-tv movie "duel" the other day about a guy vs a truck and it was really good

yeah it was great. I hear that director had an ok career afterwards.

Lil Swamp Booger Baby
Aug 1, 1981

Kiyoshi Kurosawa is quickly becoming one of my favorite directors for horror. Retribution is so loving good.

Mumpy Puffinz
Aug 11, 2008
Nap Ghost
The late 80's to the early 2000's had some great horror. The '70s had some great poo poo too.
can anyone tell me what the plotline of Hostel was? Some people went on vacation and got tortured

teen witch
Oct 9, 2012
Most early 2000s exxxxxtrrreeemmeeee horror sucks rear end but please dear god go see Jennifer’s Body, it’s far better than you’d think

Lil Swamp Booger Baby
Aug 1, 1981

Eli Roth is a massive dipshit

Pennywise the Frown
May 10, 2010

Upset Trowel

GolfHole posted:

i just saw the 1970's made-for-tv movie "duel" the other day about a guy vs a truck and it was really good

Never heard of it but I just looked it up and Steven Spielberg did it.

Lil Swamp Booger Baby
Aug 1, 1981

The Steven Spielberg film Juul

Pennywise the Frown
May 10, 2010

Upset Trowel

teen witch posted:

Most early 2000s exxxxxtrrreeemmeeee horror sucks rear end but please dear god go see Jennifer’s Body, it’s far better than you’d think

:hmmyes:

We watched this in one of the annual SA Scream Streams one year and I remember it being way better than I thought it'd be. Which I thought would be terrible.

Lil Swamp Booger Baby posted:

Eli Roth is a massive dipshit


:hmmyes:

Mumpy Puffinz
Aug 11, 2008
Nap Ghost

Pennywise the Frown posted:

Never heard of it but I just looked it up and Steven Spielberg did it.

it was before Jaws, don't expect too much. Love it for what it is

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug
That period where every evil thing was a long black hair face covering girl wearing white, a nun, or just a thin old lady, was poo poo.

Pennywise the Frown
May 10, 2010

Upset Trowel

happyhippy posted:

That period where every evil thing was a black haired girl wearing white, a nun, or just a thin old lady, was poo poo.

The 2000s were pretty awful for horror. There were a few good ones but the fads created were just terrible. The young girl thing, found footage, shaky cam, INTENSE loving cheap rear end jump scares, just so many things that got soooooooooooooooooooooooo overused.

teen witch
Oct 9, 2012

Pennywise the Frown posted:

:hmmyes:

We watched this in one of the annual SA Scream Streams one year and I remember it being way better than I thought it'd be. Which I thought would be terrible.

:hmmyes:

It sucks because when it came out the marketing totally hosed it over

https://www.indiewire.com/2018/12/karyn-kusama-jennifers-body-marketing-misogynistic-1202026860/amp/ posted:

Kusama revealed to Buzzfeed one especially disturbing marketing idea for the movie was to have Fox host an amateur porn site to promote the film. The studio released a poster for the movie with a scantily clad Fox and the tagline, “She’s got a taste for bad boys,” which promoted Kusama and Cody to tap Fox and ask for the reasoning behind the decision to market the film this way.

“The email wasn’t even grammatically correct,” Cody said about the studio’s reply. “The response said, ‘Jennifer sexy, she steal your boyfriend.’ As if a caveman had written it. So that’s what we were dealing with.”

“In those conversations, I was like, ‘Oh, OK, we are seeing either we made a movie that they see completely differently, or what’s in front of them is something they don’t want to see,'” Kusama said. “And at the time it was awful, but now I’m realizing this is evident of the world at large.”

Waffle!
Aug 6, 2004

I Feel Pretty!


Lil Swamp Booger Baby posted:

Eli Roth is a massive dipshit

I saw Cabin Fever at the theater and I'm still mad about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30CExwoUyVQ

teen witch
Oct 9, 2012

Pennywise the Frown posted:

The 2000s were pretty awful for horror. There were a few good ones but the fads created were just terrible. The young girl thing, found footage, shaky cam, INTENSE loving cheap rear end jump scares, just so many things that got soooooooooooooooooooooooo overused.

Zombies or exorcisms

that’s it that’s the genre

Mumpy Puffinz
Aug 11, 2008
Nap Ghost

happyhippy posted:

That period where every evil thing was a long black hair face covering girl wearing white, a nun, or just a thin old lady, was poo poo.

that weird few years where hollywood thought they could just copy Japanese horror movies in the late 1990s to early 2000s. Yeah, The Ring was ok, didn't like the rest

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

Lil Swamp Booger Baby posted:

Eli Roth is a massive dipshit
Roth, Zack Snyder, and Michael Bay are living proof that you can be a frat boy meathead type and still find massive success in creative fields.

Ari Aster is what happens when you send a Freshman up a few grades before he's ready. All the technical mastery is there, his influences are clear, but he completely lacks experience and it's visible. Not looking forward to Jokeroni Jabroni or whatever his next bullshit is. Hereditary is the first movie I ever saw where every single scene was amazing and yet it didn't make for a good movie.

Also whomever owns the Scream franchise really wants that new one to be a hit. Haven't seen it promoted that hard since the 90s.

teen witch posted:

Most early 2000s exxxxxtrrreeemmeeee horror sucks rear end but please dear god go see Jennifer’s Body, it’s far better than you’d think
It really is. It's too glossy but it's the rare horror movie that gets to address the exploitation of women from a female perspective, and the actors are better than you think.

Lil Swamp Booger Baby posted:

A lot of giallo is insanely boring poo poo that just suddenly has crazy rear end poo poo happen inbetween the boring parts or gory stuff. Like Fulci's The Beyond is a movie that's 50% ownage and 50% trying to stay awake. There's a part where spiders attack some dude and it's legit like eight years long.
Facts. Giallo is fun but you get the impression you're really supposed to just be loving your date with it in the background most of the time.

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug

BASED ON A TRUE STORY
MEANING ITS ALL TRUE
ALSO PG13

Pennywise the Frown
May 10, 2010

Upset Trowel

Waffle! posted:

I saw Cabin Fever at the theater and I'm still mad about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30CExwoUyVQ

I saw it too in the theater but don't remember it. I don't think I enjoyed it. I just wanted to see it because the cool kid from Boy Meets World was in it.

I had no idea Eli Roth did it. Makes sense.

Lil Swamp Booger Baby
Aug 1, 1981

That was also the period when American remakes of J-horror was at its peak. Stuff like The Ring were actually p good but lol at The Grudge or Dark Water.

Mumpy Puffinz
Aug 11, 2008
Nap Ghost

Pennywise the Frown posted:

The 2000s were pretty awful for horror. There were a few good ones but the fads created were just terrible. The young girl thing, found footage, shaky cam, INTENSE loving cheap rear end jump scares, just so many things that got soooooooooooooooooooooooo overused.

The Blaire Witch Project was so good it ruined it for everyone.

teen witch
Oct 9, 2012

rrreeeeeeeeeeeee

Mumpy Puffinz
Aug 11, 2008
Nap Ghost

happyhippy posted:

BASED ON A TRUE STORY
MEANING ITS ALL TRUE
ALSO PG13

lol. I remember someone telling me that Hostel was based on a true story

Colonel Cancer
Sep 26, 2015

Tune into the fireplace channel, you absolute buffoon
There's a pretty cool polish movie about a cop going undercover in world's creepiest monastery

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

Pennywise the Frown posted:

The 2000s were pretty awful for horror. There were a few good ones but the fads created were just terrible. The young girl thing, found footage, shaky cam, INTENSE loving cheap rear end jump scares, just so many things that got soooooooooooooooooooooooo overused.
I know way too many people who genuinely love Found Footage horror and I'm not knocking it but I genuinely don't get it. Is it really not possible to understand the emotions of a scenario unless it's as bland and unappealingly framed as the rest of your life?

teen witch posted:

It sucks because when it came out the marketing totally hosed it over
Oh yeah those assholes knew what they were doing. Coked-out California Good ol' Boys were handed a movie that had the explicit message "older guys predating on high school girls creates monsters" and you're surprised they tanked it? They didn't want to risk ruining the next "crop."

happyhippy posted:

BASED ON A TRUE STORY
MEANING ITS ALL TRUE
ALSO PG13
I'm glad it only took me until like Forrest Gump (e.g: I was under 10 years old) to realize that "Based on a True Story" is nonsense every single time.

Pennywise the Frown
May 10, 2010

Upset Trowel

teen witch posted:

Zombies or exorcisms

that’s it that’s the genre

omg the loving zombie craze. That poo poo drove me up the wall. I hate zombies now. Anytime I see anything "zombie" I just roll my eyes.

I just did a search. https://www.imdb.com/list/ls052440967/

2000 - 2009 Zombie/Living Dead Movies

462 titles

I like exorcism movies but the vast majority sucks. The Exorcism of Emily Rose was nice but that was basically a court room drama.

Mumpy Puffinz
Aug 11, 2008
Nap Ghost

mind the walrus posted:

I know way too many people who genuinely love Found Footage horror and I'm not knocking it but I genuinely don't get it. Is it really not possible to understand the emotions of a scenario unless it's as bland and unappealingly framed as the rest of your life?

Oh yeah those assholes knew what they were doing. Coked-out California Good ol' Boys were handed a movie that had the explicit message "older guys predating on high school girls creates monsters" and you're surprised they tanked it? They didn't want to risk ruining the next "crop."

I'm glad it only took me until like Forrest Gump (e.g: I was under 10 years old) to realize that "Based on a True Story" is nonsense every single time.

Fargo had "Based on a true story" but it was all made up

Lil Swamp Booger Baby
Aug 1, 1981

Imo one of the worst things about modern horror is how much of it is just incredibly transparent commentary on mental illness. Stuff like Hereditary and Midsommer are really good, but it gets tiresome to always have these films approach it so obliquely instead of just, like, I don't know, doing something directly about mental illness that doesn't swathe it in layers of mystique and metaphor.

poo poo like Clean, Shaven just makes those kind of movies seem childish.

Mumpy Puffinz
Aug 11, 2008
Nap Ghost
the best horror movie in the last 20 years is Shaun of the Dead

Lil Swamp Booger Baby
Aug 1, 1981

mind the walrus posted:

I know way too many people who genuinely love Found Footage horror and I'm not knocking it but I genuinely don't get it. Is it really not possible to understand the emotions of a scenario unless it's as bland and unappealingly framed as the rest of your life?

I like some found footage stuff, [REC] is super good and so is Man Bites Dog, but there's a lot of faff that just use it for atmospherics instead of doing anything interesting with it. One Cut of the Dead is a really good example of how you can use the found footage trappings to make something dynamic and cool

Mumpy Puffinz
Aug 11, 2008
Nap Ghost

Lil Swamp Booger Baby posted:

I like some found footage stuff, [REC] is super good and so is Man Bites Dog, but there's a lot of faff that just use it for atmospherics instead of doing anything interesting with it. One Cut of the Dead is a really good example of how you can use the found footage trappings to make something dynamic and cool

it can absolutely be a great narrative device. Just needs a great editor to make it work.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

Lil Swamp Booger Baby posted:

Imo one of the worst things about modern horror is how much of it is just incredibly transparent commentary on mental illness. Stuff like Hereditary and Midsommer are really good, but it gets tiresome to always have these films approach it so obliquely instead of just, like, I don't know, doing something directly about mental illness that doesn't swathe it in layers of mystique and metaphor.

poo poo like Clean, Shaven just makes those kind of movies seem childish.

Because modern horror is ultimately childish. Several obvious factors:

  • Boomer parents were often quite neglectful of their children so both artists and audiences suffer a lot of arrested development.
  • Systemic dismantling of arts and civics programs, coupled with a jobs market that makes it far harder to be an independent adult at a young age.
  • The digital landscape minimized cinemas as a focal point for artistic expression in society and increased media exposure at the cost of media literacy and focus.
  • CGI and other production tools made it more possible to realize pretentious concepts with far less compromise and narrative problem-solving, leading to artists that are simultaneously more capable but less seasoned.

Pennywise the Frown
May 10, 2010

Upset Trowel

Mumpy Puffinz posted:

The Blaire Witch Project was so good it ruined it for everyone.

Yeah..... that was one of the worst movies I have ever seen in my entire life. I worked at a theater at the time and the rumors that all of that poo poo was real was so incredibly dumb.

teen witch
Oct 9, 2012

Pennywise the Frown posted:

Yeah..... that was one of the worst movies I have ever seen in my entire life. I worked at a theater at the time and the rumors that all of that poo poo was real was so incredibly dumb.

I was in the fourth grade, so it was drawing the little poppet thing or repeating the Freddy Krueger jump rope song nonstop

Mumpy Puffinz
Aug 11, 2008
Nap Ghost

mind the walrus posted:

Because modern horror is ultimately childish. Several obvious factors:

  • Boomer parents were often quite neglectful of their children so both artists and audiences suffer a lot of arrested development.
  • Systemic dismantling of arts and civics programs, coupled with a jobs market that makes it far harder to be an independent adult at a young age.
  • The digital landscape minimized cinemas as a focal point for artistic expression in society and increased media exposure at the cost of media literacy and focus.
  • CGI and other production tools made it more possible to realize pretentious concepts with far less compromise and narrative problem-solving, leading to artists that are simultaneously more capable but less seasoned.

but the best horror movie ever Evil Dead 2 has none of those things, and it has Bruce Campbell doing a flip, then cutting his own hand off with a chainsaw

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug

teen witch posted:

I was in the fourth grade, so it was drawing the little poppet thing or repeating the Freddy Krueger jump rope song nonstop

Was about same age, never saw any of the movies but was aware of the hype and checked out the tape covers at the videostore.
So I thought the knives were like Logan. I would cellotape kitchen knives to my fingers and jump around the house with them on.

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug

Mumpy Puffinz posted:

but the best horror movie ever Evil Dead 2 has none of those things, and it has Bruce Campbell doing a flip, then cutting his own hand off with a chainsaw

Evil Dead had boomer parents who didn't give a poo poo about the daughter who arrived after Bruce. Researching weird rear end things in the middle of nowhere.

Pennywise the Frown
May 10, 2010

Upset Trowel
I saw the very beginning of NOES 3 when I was 4. My friend from across the street was like "Hey, you wanna watch Freddy?" Sure, that sounds like a funny guy!

5 minutes later her mom came down screaming at her and I was running home crying. I remember my first ever nightmare that night.

I didn't sleep with my light off until I was 13. Everywhere I went.

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GolfHole
Feb 26, 2004

Pennywise the Frown posted:

Never heard of it but I just looked it up and Steven Spielberg did it.

the et guy??

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