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Tiny Bug Child posted:idk where you got anything about "honor" from but making sure your companies are getting good terms in international trade is a pretty basic function of a government and a situation where their market is completely closed to us while we kick back and let them at ours can only be seen as a failure. and this is completely aside from the horrible fact that social media has strategic implications now. see: that time secret US bases got geolocated cause Troops kept running laps with their fitbits, or all the russians that were posting poo poo on telegram and giving away positions till they started confiscating phones. "Strategic implications"  The reason the fossils in congress want to ban a social media site is a) they don't understand it (naturally) and b) they think it's 1963 and we're still in the middle of the Cold War.This honestly isn't directed at you: the hysteria over Tik Tok is reminiscent to me of 2003 and the lead up to Iraq. Same brain dead nationalism; just directed at the "inscrutable" Chinese instead of Middle Easterners. F_Shit_Fitzgerald fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Mar 16, 2023 |
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:"Strategic implications" oh yeah totally man. you can't actually DO anything with the massive data collection capabilities social media platforms afford their owners, the entire concept is just paranoid xenopCatholic Group Spends Millions on Dating App Data to Out Gay Priests
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Of course you can do a lot of damage with data collection capabilities of social media, and we desperately need (and won't get in our bought-and-paid for congress) a digital bill of rights so that our data belongs to us. Banning Tik Tok is selective outrage when they all collect data. It tells me a lot that we can't even get the official story straight on why we need to censor a platform (however stupid it might be) - foreign policy? American social media market share? Data collection? We just don't like Tik Tok? F_Shit_Fitzgerald fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Mar 16, 2023 |
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^^^^^^^ it’s because china is a rival bordering on being an enemy, dumbass.F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:Banning Tik Tok is selective outrage when they all collect data. Yeah but they aren’t all run and operated by hostile foreign powers. Most of them are based out of the Bay Area. The Bay Area can have my data.
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I don't want any of them to have my data, foreign power or dickhead SV techbro.
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the usa is so scared of china that it's kind of funny imo
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:I don't want any of them to have my data, foreign power or dickhead SV techbro. I want them to have your data.
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I don't want them to have your data either. Or tiny Bug Child's. Or anyone else's. That's why we need a digital bill of rights; not banning a website because of anti-China paranoia.
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:Of course you can do a lot of damage with data collection capabilities of social media, and we desperately need (and won't get in our bought-and-paid for congress) a digital bill of rights so that our data belongs to us. Somewhere deep within the Bytedance office complex, the liaison from the Ministry of State Security re-reads the headline in disbelief. It couldn't be true, yet it was. No longer would they be able to harvest American data; the capitalist pigdogs had finally passed a Digital Bill of Rights. Their data belonged to them now. He dashes his oversized army hat to the floor in anguish.
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Mar 16, 2023 21:40
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china has the worlds biggest posters.txt file
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I'm going to China in 10 days for 6 weeks. I wonder if something awful is banned. I never checked the last time I was there.
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Mar 16, 2023 21:41
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Forcefully close chips ahoy and nationalize the bakeries the people need to have their cookies
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Mar 16, 2023 21:41
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OMG what if China steals our data? hundreds of large US companies constantly leak consumers' data and the government does nothing
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Mar 16, 2023 21:42
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Yeah show me where if PRISM catches me saying Biden is a dummy I get banned from intercity travel and mysteriously refused an account by every bank I apply to pour encourager les autres
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Mar 16, 2023 21:43
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zuckerberg desperately wants tiktok to go away so he can push his platforms. first he wanted their recommendation algorithm but now he just wants it gone and he's very invested in this happening
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And apparently, we should care about American social media company market shares for reasons. It's exactly the same as W saying that we should fight terror in late 2001 by going to the mall 
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Tiny Bug Child posted:a situation where their market is completely closed to us while we kick back and let them at ours can only be seen as a failure. toxic masculinity really gets into everything, doesn't it. 'we should ban tiktok because not doing so makes us look like WEAK FAILURES'
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'China is ignoring us we can't let them one up us that way bro!!!!!!'
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:And apparently, we should care about American social media company market shares for reasons. So you’re the reason all the malls are closed. I’m not surprised. 
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our reputation on the world stage has been sullied by showing such craven, foul impotence as allowing a karaoke app the world mocks us as fools and yet we allow this travesty to continue!
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Mar 16, 2023 21:53
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Nigmaetcetera posted:So you’re the reason all the malls are closed. I’m not surprised. I am become death, destroyer of malls.
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StrangersInTheNight posted:toxic masculinity really gets into everything, doesn't it. 'we should ban tiktok because not doing so makes us look like WEAK FAILURES' the idea that the legitimate purposes of government include promoting the interests of your own country's businesses over those of your adversary's: Toxic Masculinity
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Mar 16, 2023 21:56
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kntfkr posted:I'm going to China in 10 days for 6 weeks. I wonder if something awful is banned. I never checked the last time I was there. You gonna get that dish where you eat the fish while its still alive
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Mar 16, 2023 21:57
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The idea that the government should give a poo poo about the interests of a business is pretty toxic, yes.
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DeadFatDuckFat posted:You gonna get that dish where you eat the fish while its still alive One time at a business meeting in Ningbo, this Kmart Australia buyer, who was a Chinese lady, ordered drunken shrimp and it was loving disgusting. So no. Gonna eat a lot of Miao bacon tho! 
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I in fact find hawk-like security obsessions hidden within 'pro-business' rhetoric very toxic yes
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I should download some porn to my phone before I forget.
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"TikTok is a threat to democracy and national security!" TikTok: 
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Animal-Mother posted:"TikTok is a threat to democracy and national security!" Cossack dancing, obvious Stalinists.
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kntfkr posted:One time at a business meeting in Ningbo, this Kmart Australia buyer, who was a Chinese lady, ordered drunken shrimp and it was loving disgusting. So no. Gonna eat a lot of Miao bacon tho! mmmm... bacon
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Ban TikTok and put all users on government watch lists imo.
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Nigmaetcetera posted:^^^^^^^ it’s because china is a rival bordering on being an enemy, dumbass. are they really though? wtf are they doing that's so insidious to America, specifically. they're a business rival but only because our current system depends on there being nations with a lower cost of living than us to make our goods, because we literally can't afford the goods we make for ourselves at the rates we get paid. and so we turned to china, and it used being in such a position to gain leverage and world power and somehow all of that leads us to here, this moment where our response is trying to ban tiktok for the second time with our conditions being that the Chinese can be involved in its administration but shouldn't own it/make money from it.
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StrangersInTheNight posted:are they really though? wtf are they doing that's so insidious to America, specifically. you might as well just ask "why don't all countries just get along and never have any wars or anything?" humans yo
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I'm more getting at the idea that the concept of China being treated by the US as a threat and a rival is less about what China has done to us, and more from the US realizing, far far too late, we've enriched China beyond them needing us anymore, and that is absolutely terrifying. so are they really a threat and a rival, or are they just no longer bound to us?
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also unfortunately that's not 'human nature', that's capitalism, which isn't inherent, it was created! and it's unsustainable! eventually you run out of places where the COL is lower, but that's a problem for your descendents to figure out, right?
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I don't give a poo poo dude
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StrangersInTheNight posted:I'm more getting at the idea that the concept of China being treated by the US as a threat and a rival is less about what China has done to us, and more from the US realizing, far far too late, we've enriched China beyond them needing us anymore, and that is absolutely terrifying. The relationship here is enormously complicated and summing it up on a post on the Internet is not going to happen, but this is not 'China doesn't need us anymore'. I mean, there is an economical piece of this, but China is involved with a ton of domestic cooperate and political espionage, can be a problematic force in some trade agreements, and can be a thorn in the side of international politics. They have a warm enough relationship with Russia to not condemn the invasion of Ukraine in the UN and they have their fingers in a lot of other countries doing lovely things. There are a huge pile of things that makes the relationship between the US and China complicated and dicey. This it not some defense of the US or insisting that the US is doing only good things, but poo poo is very complex and there are OK-to-good reasons for the US to be wary of China.
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absolutely, there's a bunch of political reasons to hold them at arms-length which are more complex, I'm being reductive to point out they've never actually done anything to us and so there's also a hefty dose of propaganda in there, which can be seen in this thread with the 'business interests' chat we made them a rival, and how much of an enemy they are has yet to be seen, and will in part be dictated by how we treat them on the world stage. It all feels like theatre, flexing to try and cow China, that's going to fail bc what reason do they have to give in?
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Nigmaetcetera posted:^^^^^^^ it’s because china is a rival bordering on being an enemy, dumbass. Are we assuming silicon valley tech companies aren't selling that data to everyone, including the Chinese government?
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