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I mean, the meme here is that 'domestic surveillance is OK. Chinese Surveillance is not I guess', but um... Yeah, kinda. I mean, we can't really do poo poo about the PRISM program, and we also aren't (probably) going to develop social policy around it, so... Yes - domestic surveillance is more tolerable then Chinese surveillance. Also Toxic Mental posted:I hope they do because it sucks
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StrangersInTheNight posted:I'm more getting at the idea that the concept of China being treated by the US as a threat and a rival is less about what China has done to us, and more from the US realizing, far far too late, we've enriched China beyond them needing us anymore, and that is absolutely terrifying. The relationship here is enormously complicated and summing it up on a post on the Internet is not going to happen, but this is not 'China doesn't need us anymore'. I mean, there is an economical piece of this, but China is involved with a ton of domestic cooperate and political espionage, can be a problematic force in some trade agreements, and can be a thorn in the side of international politics. They have a warm enough relationship with Russia to not condemn the invasion of Ukraine in the UN and they have their fingers in a lot of other countries doing lovely things. There are a huge pile of things that makes the relationship between the US and China complicated and dicey. This it not some defense of the US or insisting that the US is doing only good things, but poo poo is very complex and there are OK-to-good reasons for the US to be wary of China.
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StrangersInTheNight posted:absolutely, there's a bunch of political reasons to hold them at arms-length which are more complex, I'm being reductive to point out they've never actually done anything to us and so there's also a hefty dose of propaganda in there, which can be seen in this thread with the 'business interests' chat No, dude. We did not 'make' them a rival. A lot of the source of this tension comes China's direct actions. Politically, the west isn't forcing them to support lovely regimes. Socially, the west isn't forcing them to implement draconian social programs, or conduct massive 're-education' efforts in camps. Economically, the west isn't forcing them to put Spyware that phones home to the CCP on literally every piece of hardware and software they release. Xi is a loving crazy sociopath, and while there is definitely some level of propaganda in the west at times, it's not like it needs a lot of help.
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