StashAugustine posted:

We've blamed 9/11 on basically every country in the middle east except Saudi Arabia

JustFollowingOrder posted:

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Al! posted:

is this the guy who is threatening to sue the forums for 1st amdendment violations?

Xaris posted:

lol yeah

i thought it was unoriginal name so i wasnt gunna snitch

crepeface posted:

idk but here's a guy that's still around:







edit: bonus!

yellowcar posted:

How long will it take to capture Baghdad? 2 days
Will Saddam be killed? Yes
Total Iraqi civillian casualties: 500 dead
Total military casualties Iraq: 3000 dead
Total military casualties U.S.: 15 dead
Will the Iraqi army regulars hold the lines? No
Will the Republican Guard fight to the end? No
Will chem/bio weapons be used on invading troops?: Yes
Will Saddam launch attacks on the Kurds? Yes
Will Saddam launch attacks on Israel? No
-If yes; will Isreal retaliate harshly? Yes
Will Saddam sacrifice Baghdad (gas/nuke it)? No
Will the Kurds make a grab for independence? Yes
Will Iran do anything silly like try for land? Yes
Will Saddam burn the oil fields? Yes
How long will the US be occupying Iraq? ~15 years
Will the Iraq war catalyze increased terrorism in America?No
In the long run, will this war be good or bad for the world? Good

We have to look at what those civilian casualties are- just because they're civilian doesn't make them innocent! Lets take a look at a few possibilities:

1) A civilian walking down the street to market gets killed by a cruise missile fired at the market.

2) A civilian asleep in their house is killed when their house is targetting by a smart bomb and blown up.

OK, these two are regrettable innocents being killed- but since the US doesn't make a habit of targetting markets or houses, they're very small in number!

3) A civilian working at a chemical weapon factory gets killed when the chemical weapon plant is bombed.

4) A civilian security guard at a weapons depot is killed when the weapons explode.

5) A civilian contractor repairing a tank is killed by a MOAB dropped on the unit.

6) A civilian engineer is killed when the military command center he works at is destroyed.

7) A civilian delivering snackiecakes to the baghdad bunker vending machines eats a 5,000lb bunker buster.

etc, etc. The list goes on. My point is that there are a lot of civilians directly supporting the military that aren't exactly "innocent" and would be mire rightly counted among the military casualties than civilian. I'm a civilian and work for the US military, but I acknowledge I'm also a valid military target because of what I do. And I think the vast majority of civilian casualties in this campaign will not be innocent.

Zeroisanumber posted:

This was Grover, btw. He of the famous Groverhaus.

Vomik posted:

are you saying that wasn't a joke post? I always thought it was lol

are you gonna tell me that barack obama growing as tall as an oak tree post is real too??

Vomik posted:

are you saying that wasn't a joke post? I always thought it was lol

are you gonna tell me that barack obama growing as tall as an oak tree post is real too??

Zeroisanumber posted:

but he was actually quite normal when he talked about other stuff.

indigi posted:

you know about the house he built right

F Stop Fitzgerald posted:

A Bakers Cousin posted:

i remember reading a lot of grover posting in GiP and i recall him always being a wierdo

ScrubLeague posted:

i got a 3 day ban from reddit for posting "happy 20th anniversary of the invasion of iraq, death to america" in the shitpost thread for last night's baseball game lol

A Bakers Cousin posted:

i was probably the most troopest of the goon troops lol

AnimeIsTrash posted:

i think you all mean major grover

Zeroisanumber posted:

I was 12 when the Gulf War kicked off. From then on it was a drum beat in popular and political culture that Saddam was a bad guy who led a brutal government which murdered and oppressed his people. Literally had movies where he was the Big Bad. It was conventional wisdom across the political spectrum that he was cheating on the weapon inspections and had stashes of gas hidden somewhere. Then 9/11 happened and everyone lost their loving mind. Invading Iraq got this sense of inevitability about it, Like even if Saddam wasn't responsible (and a lot of people were fooled into thinking that he did) he was still a bad guy and after 9/11 we couldn't just let bad guys hang around out there because then 9/11 part deux might happen.

In my case I was frightened, angry, and the media that I was consuming (NYT, WaPost, CNN) were full-on pounding the war drums. Falling for it was one of the biggest mistakes of my life, not that my opposition would've changed anything.

Weka posted:

What's wrong with her?

SplitSoul posted:

Former Austrian Foreign Minister who was recently on the Board of Directors for Rosneft and blogged for RT. She's also said some nasty poo poo about refugees and was really popular with the FPÖ nazis for that reason. Putin attended her wedding.

Zeroisanumber posted:

I wouldn't really be jazzed to have Putin at my wedding but if Xi showed up I would know that I was doing a good job at life.

fanfic insert posted:

its kind of extremely funny that the US preemptively declared war on the netherlands just in case they'd get in their head they could accuse americans of war crimes in iraq and everyone in europe just grumbled about it for a little bit and then never mentioned it again

Zeroisanumber posted:

I wouldn't really be jazzed to have Putin at my wedding but if Xi showed up I would know that I was doing a good job at life.

F Stop Fitzgerald posted:

big dong wanter posted:

I would hope putin shows up to my wedding, after all I'm getting married to him

SplitSoul posted:

Former Austrian Foreign Minister who was recently on the Board of Directors for Rosneft and blogged for RT. She's also said some nasty poo poo about refugees and was really popular with the FPÖ nazis for that reason. Putin attended her wedding.

yellowcar posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-5eFkq6XEs

crepeface posted:

short of the russia stuff, it just sounds like any other euro elite. what level of nasty poo poo did she say? like was it PM of italy bad or ukranians talking about roma bad?

quote:

On the issue of refugees, migration, and integration she was also accused of serving stereotypes. At the height of the refugee crisis in 2015, Kneissl pointed out that most of them are economic migrants and that asylum seekers are "80 percent" young men between the ages of 20 and 30. In September 2015, she said on public television that one of the reasons for the revolts in the Arab world was "these many young men", "testosterone-controlled", "who no longer managed to get a wife today" because they have neither work nor their own home, and thus could not achieve "status as a man in a traditional society".