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I don't really post in DnD anymore but I do lurk sometimes for DC soap opera info and I find the threads a lot easier to parse these days. There are far fewer slap fights and even when moderation seems heavy handed it generally feels evenly heavy handed so there are far fewer cries for revision. All in all, very readable Edit: vvvvvvi thanks for the kind words but I'm not coming back. Cpt_Obvious fucked around with this message at 01:20 on Mar 27, 2023 |
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At this juncture, one of the actions needed is to actively re-solicit the groups of educated users that were driven out of the forum over the past 6 or so years. The lawyers, the scientists, the people who used to make discussion viable in greater detail. Per Bar Ran Dun's comment, we now face an active negative stereotype of DnD, continuously reinforced elsewhere, whenever there's an attempt to have someone from anywhere else on SA participate.Koos Group posted:We already have a rule that sources require some explanation if they're being used to make an argument. As well as one that users must not misrepresent the source. We do read sources when a user is reported for this, which you should know. What Cinci and I are proposing is more along the lines of not letting sources make your argument for you, but only using them as a "see also" sort of reference, or a citation for a fact. No, you do not, and you know you don't. You have a "guideline" that isn't predictably enforced, and I do know it's not predictably enforced. Koos Group posted:I'm not sure I understand the analogy to austerity. The reason that standards implied by D&D's three rules are called guidelines rather than rules is to emphasize that they aren't exhaustive. If you act in bad faith, the rule you're breaking is the one to not impede discussion. And there are other ways you could break this rule that aren't enumerated, as well. The guidelines are simply the most common things that come up. It's not an analogy to austerity; it's an invitation to sabotage, working backwards from wanting to do less. The "guidelines" have never served as the floor for moderation. The mods have been very explicit about finding ways to not apply those guidelines- and in practice, because some require more work than others, the ones requiring the most thought get applied least, and have the most explicit statements of a policy of nonenforcement. The paradox of tolerance continues. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 01:12 on Mar 27, 2023 |
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Discendo Vox posted:At this juncture, one of the actions needed is to actively re-solicit the groups of educated users that were driven out of the forum over the past 6 or so years. The lawyers, the scientists, the people who used to make discussion viable in greater detail. Per Bar Ran Dun's comment, we now face an active negative stereotype of DnD, continuously reinforced elsewhere, whenever there's an attempt to have someone from anywhere else on SA participate. I strongly agree with this.
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Turgid Flagella posted:Lib and let died. Please do not insult cranky, cantankerous assholes by referring to yourself as one.
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SpiritOfLenin posted:I'm gonna pipe up and say that really aggressive modding for the Ukraine thread specifically is a good thing. Having a low tolerance for shitposts, clancychat etc. in that thread is fine - if you want to post stuff like that, there are other subforums' Ukraine-threads that have that. Probably there is the occasional post that maybe didn't need a sixer, but like, who the gently caress cares about sixers? While you could say the Ukraine thread modding is pretty strict, it's a solid thread and overall I think it works well. I prefer how Cinci lets people know there getting too off topic before hitting mod buttons. YMMV.
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Discendo Vox posted:No, you do not, and you know you don't. You have a "guideline" that isn't predictably enforced, and I do know it's not predictably enforced. That's just life though. I am not just talking about the sub-forum but the wider world in general. Each thread has its own subculture going on and it's not going to be fair for everyone at all times, especially when it is volunteer work. I mean unless I feel like eating a probe (and honestly who cares), I just accept the fact that the resident chuckleheads in the Ukraine thread will randomly start making GBS threads on IR theory in bad faith, and if I respond I am the one eating the probe. Cest la vie. Though if you are willing to fight hard enough for a particular thread, you can actually clean it up. The China thread has been actually very good since the last time we had a meltdown with the worst offenders having been ejected.
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The China thread is also rarely posted in and frequently it is just one poster for weeks at a time. Really, this seems like a good overview of the situation in D&D as a whole, less posting more of it being for a smaller audience of, I'll say "dedicated", readers and it being less about chats with politics and more about showing how bright you are. If that is what is wanted then great, but be aware that is what is happening. Edit:spelling Josef bugman fucked around with this message at 09:25 on Mar 27, 2023 |
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Josef bugman posted:The China thread is also rarely posted in and frequently it is just one poster for weeks at a time. Anyone who wants to chat about China does it in GBS or CSPAM depending on what and how they want to chat about it. I think that's as much a reason for the quiet threads as anything else. You can find a more casual thread in other places.
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Some of the China posting died down due to accusations of racism if one questioned the official Chinese Government line on things.
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Josef bugman posted:The China thread is also rarely posted in and frequently it is just one poster for weeks at a time. there's an anti posting agenda, plain and simple
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While this is open I have a few small pieces if feedback. -Proof by contradiction is a standard logical argument so it's strange that a debate forum bans this and punishes people for doing it (characterized as "arguing indirectly" or "argument by innuendo") -You shouldn't get probated for "assuming bad faith" if you merely point out a mistake someone is making, like strawmanning your argument. Strawmanning can, and often is, done unintentionally through misunderstanding, saying "hey X is a strawman my argument is Y" shouldn't be treated as an accusation of bad faith. -Related to that, people shouldn't be punished for accidentally misunderstanding someone's argument if they take the correction gracefully: "Hey X is a strawman my argument is Y" "Oh sorry in the case here's my argument against Y" Doesn't seem like it needs any mod buttons, misunderstandings happen. It's really only a problem if someone's a dick about it and is like "no your argument is X and you're wrong!!!" -Is sarcasm allowed or not, this rule is enforced especially inconsistently and seems to just come down to which side of the discussion the person moderating the thread comes down on. Which is partly human nature, a sarcastic quip from someone I agree with is clever and funny, a quip from someone I don't agree with is glib and unserious and annoying, I get that sure. But like either ban it and go zero-tolerance or don't. Punishing it selectively is just going to drive out differences of opinion because people with unpopular views get tired of being mocked while getting punished if they respond in kind.
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MikeC posted:and if I respond I am the one eating the probe. MikeC posted:Just FYI, the twitter dude you are quoting is a Cato institute researcher. They are borderline isolationist in their FP thinking. They heavily argue against intervention and adventurism and it is through this lens they view the Russo-Ukrainian war. I'll assume this was a good-faith question. Most IR analysts of the realist school also do not view this war in isolation, especially US-based analysts who view this conflict as just one of many issues that need to be managed in order for the United States to maintain its hegemonic grip in the world that is growing evermore multipolar. Within this framework, Ukrainian territorial integrity is of minimal consequence to the United States. Unlike the bipolar world of the post-war era, proxy wars against *the* rival center of power are no longer zero-sum games. Since the emergence of China as a player with Great Power ambitions, any decrease in stability or power projection of the Russian state to protect its traditional spheres of influence necessarily results in the ability of Beijing to incorporate these regions into its own. This expansion is no longer theoretical with China emerging as Central Asia's security guarantor in the most recent SCO meeting held in Samarkand which saw Putin politically isolated and playing second fiddle with many CTSO countries that nominally rely on Russia as the guarantor and arbiter of security issues in the region. MikeC posted:Without access to classified materials, no one (including Twitter OSINT) can make a useful assessment of who is winning or who is more likely to retain an edge in the coming months. All outsiders can do is observe what has happened before and come up with a plausible scenario that fits the facts and behavior we have seen so far. Over the past 10 months with what we have witnessed the most likely assessment that can be made is that both the Ukrainians and the Russians are no longer capable of major offensive activities on the level that would either see the sudden liberation of Ukrainian territory or their sudden collapse.
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Is picking out the fairly inoffensive I'm not demanding an answer, this is a question for you guys to think about
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VitalSigns posted:Is picking out the fairly inoffensive It is posting at people, and it's what the “sarcasm” probations that you gripe about are for, and so on and so forth. As far as the war thread is concerned, however, I have a zero-tolerance approach to inter-poster and inter-forum drama, and it is great modding on the back end. The last time our war thread has been on the agenda of anyone in the mod forum was when I got modded, nearly a year ago, which you can't really say as summarily about other threads.
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Why even have a feedback thread if you're going to characterize people as "griping" for providing feedback you asked for. Don't have the thread then if some mild criticism and questioning is "griping" to you. Anyways if you think those probes make for good discussion okay, seems penny ante stuff to me but I don't read that thread so maybe it's necessary or something. It's not really related to my feedback about "sarcasm", where as I said the issue is the very inconsistent enforcement, I could probably check the last pages of a bunch of threads and find plenty of sarcasm, and as I showed above reporting it is pretty much pointless, as even reports on very obvious rule-breaking get ignored, much less subjective stuff like whether a post is too sarcastic. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 09:48 on Mar 27, 2023 |
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VitalSigns posted:Why even have a feedback thread if you're going to characterize people as "griping" for providing feedback you asked for. Don't have the thread then if some mild criticism and questioning is "griping" to you. Am I not allowed to say that you complain when you've written a complaint? Also, no comment on “people” meaning “the 200 probations goon”.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Am I not allowed to say that you complain when you've written a complaint? Also, no comment on “people” meaning “the 200 probations goon”. Ok I'm going to chalk this up to a language barrier because "griping" has a very negative connotation compared to "complaining". A complaint can be a neutral description, saying someone is "griping" never is. So no offense taken if you only meant "complain"
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VitalSigns posted:Anyways if you think those probes make for good discussion okay, seems penny ante stuff to me but I don't read that thread so maybe it's necessary or something. Catching your edit now, I don’t think that they actively promote a good discussion per se, if we dial into probations for posting at the thread or at the individual goons in it. They do tend to discourage holy crusade style of posts, however, which in my view of the war thread is a benefit that outweighs potentially bruising an informative poster or two with a sixer, both for the internal vibe of it and for its external perception.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:As I have suggested multiple times both to you, to other people in the gassed thread, and here - all you need to get me to ignore your thread is to name it more appropriately, e.g., “I want to talk about AI”. Do not name it after a specific, real-world thing, such as OpenAI ChatGPT or Google Bard, and the only reason I’ll have to read it then is if someone reports a post there, and I’m the mod clearing the queue at that moment. I'm sorry but I feel this is an incredibly anal distinction. I'm a huge fan of weasel words but topics are living and breathing things and the margins are where discovery happens and my own personal views have been challenged. I have to agree with a general theme in that while I appreciate strict moderation, I do think there is too heavy-handed moderation. I suspect posters in threads would rather debate and discuss (even if the topic isn't completely on point and not going in circles) than someone getting a sixer, threadbanned, etc. That being said I do appreciate cracking down on people who post in bad faith. Since the whole Ukraine war has taken off that's been on the rise and it's beyond tedious at this point. Edit: https://forums.somethingawful.com/banlist.php?userid=230261#frompost530754006 Though this seems like an example of....not? I'd have to be explained to how it's a bad faith post. Nelson Mandingo fucked around with this message at 12:23 on Mar 27, 2023 |
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Yeah bad shoot on that one Cinci edit: Especially as it seems the poster was going from exactly the type of words words in quotes as news updates you've said you want to discourage to a more analytical and asking questions way of sharing notable events fez_machine fucked around with this message at 14:05 on Mar 27, 2023 |
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Discendo Vox posted:At this juncture, one of the actions needed is to actively re-solicit the groups of educated users that were driven out of the forum over the past 6 or so years. Thorn Wishes Talon posted:I strongly agree with this. That's 3 'ayes' for clemency for experts - the admins can email me when they've rolled back the ban on my main
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Please purge cinci from moderation as he has no understanding of how people communicate and stifles anything that he deems unworthy. Between him and Vox this place is an evaporating puddle that gets saltier and saltier with each passing day. Loosen the rules, let people post and discuss. Moderation should be loose guard rails to prevent people from being too big of an rear end in a top hat, not because you don't like what they are saying. Stop trying to have a space where only the Poindexterest Poindexters get to determine what is discussed and how.
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Josef bugman posted:The China thread is also rarely posted in and frequently it is just one poster for weeks at a time. Which I think is a fine thing. If there is nothing of great interest for anyone to discuss on China then the thread can lie fallow. If there is a want or desire for low (not a negative) level chatter on it, other sub forums have the appropriate place for it.
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It's fine to have a pointdexter politics forum when there's other places to casually chat about politics even if that means threads lie fallow
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It should be completely fine to have casual discourse in D&D.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:It should be completely fine to have casual discourse in D&D. There are many places that do have more casual discourse in D&D like the country threads, the chat thread (and maybe USCE? I don't know I don't read it). Can you make a compelling argument why D&D needs to be a place like GBS or CSPAM? And why posting in those places is less preferable than D&D for casually discussing politics?
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silence_kit posted:Pretty obvious example: if you read USPol, it is loaded with low content rants and posts about how Republicans, rich people, corporations are evil, and so on. The rants aren't really made against any particular thing someone has said, are often loaded with exaggerations and falsehoods, etc. No one enforces the forum rules here because huge numbers of posters in USPol use the thread as an outlet to vent about how much they hate The Bad Men. Do you have some specific examples of this? For me personally, I have been trying over the last ~6 months to do the bulk of moderating via posting in threads and not probes. I think I still have less than 10 probes in the last year. I also usually give everyone a pass on their first white noise or minor rule violations in USCE when discussing an ongoing event to keep conversation flowing without disrupting everything because of a single joke post or white noise post. I wish more people differing views would post and I generally try to encourage that by explicitly not probating based on ideology and rather based on arguments. The few people i have probed are generally people I agree with on 99% of issues. If there are some examples that you think are egregious where I haven't been vying to that standard, then please let me know. It would definitely be useful to me both personally and to see examples of the stuff that caused your perception. The posts you cited below are mostly just examples of people not being punished for minor questions or the occasional white noise post. Part of the goal was to give a little bit of breathing room on developing/current events for everyone. Do you have any examples where a conservative view was punished just for being a conservative view? That is something I would consider a problem and would want to take a look at. Breathing room for breaking and ongoing event discussion should apply to everyone. TheDisreputableDog posted:As one of the few right-leaning posters here, I feel this problem is better than I ever remember it being. Obviously you shouldn’t go out of your way to poke the beehive, but I feel like I have leeway to make unpopular points without waiting for the other shoe to drop. Mod activism seems to be at an all time low, and I want to say I appreciate that. Thanks for the feedback. I've been trying to allow for this sort of thing, so it is good to see someone noticing. As for the last paragraph, I think you're right and that it could be toned down a little. But, some people speculating how an event will unfold or what impact it will have isn't necessarily a bad thing. It usually helps when someone gives their assumptions and others can critique it. I try to go out of my way to give context and critique posts that I agree with, but may have been made with some incorrect assumptions in mind because A) I want everyone to be living in the same reality when it comes to facts and B) It helps sharpen everyone's arguments and challenges their assumptions. Heck Yes! Loam! posted:It should be completely fine to have casual discourse in D&D. I think USCE is generally very good for casual discourse. There are frequent effort posts and posts by subject matter experts, but the bulk of posts are just average people asking questions and discussing what is going on. There's almost no punishments for minor rule violations. Casual discourse if going to be different for everyone and I don't think just responding "lol" or empty quoting is really discourse, but you can have a discussion without being a subject matter expert or writing a 10,000 word essay. I'd encourage you to try posting and see if it fits your definition. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 14:35 on Mar 27, 2023 |
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Please purge cinci from moderation as he has no understanding of how people communicate and stifles anything that he deems unworthy. This mostly started with Koos and the huge rule changes that came with him, it almost feels intentional to just drive people away from D&D.
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Nelson Mandingo posted:Edit: https://forums.somethingawful.com/banlist.php?userid=230261#frompost530754006 Though this seems like an example of....not? I'd have to be explained to how it's a bad faith post. fez_machine posted:Yeah bad shoot on that one Cinci That is Catpetter, a goon wider known for posting so much SYQ from the D&D war thread in the C-SPAM war thread that Jeffrey began to personally ban them every time they did so. To try to stem this creative crisis, I assume, they’ve since invested quite a bit of effort into what appears to be a “look at me doing lib poo poo and all these dumb libs tolerating it and interacting with it credulously” routine. Which is to say that I measure their specific posts against the totality of their post history as I’ve experienced it. There could be alternative arrangements here, but the most interesting alternative to me would be to issue a thread ban, since they’ve been a bit too plugged into thread-related drama to ever come off as a candid thread participant to me. cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 14:35 on Mar 27, 2023 |
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Please purge cinci from moderation as he has no understanding of how people communicate and stifles anything that he deems unworthy. Agreed with this, notably purging Cinci. They are not good at moderating. They are needlessly antagonistic and do not handle criticism well (at all, really). They are good at being in charge of messy poo poo the other mods don't want to deal with, which is why they're a mod. But if the ostensible purpose of a feedback thread is to solicit user ideas on how to improve DnD: remove cinci's star.
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Judgy Fucker posted:Agreed with this, notably purging Cinci. They are not good at moderating. They are needlessly antagonistic and do not handle criticism well (at all, really). They are good at being in charge of messy poo poo the other mods don't want to deal with, which is why they're a mod. But if the ostensible purpose of a feedback thread is to solicit user ideas on how to improve DnD: remove cinci's star. In the interests of giving feedback, I disagree. Cinci's approach has worked well in the D&D Ukraine thread and before that in the Eastern Europe thread. I especially appreciate this given how much of a drama trap discussion of the war in Ukraine has been on the other subforums. Maybe it doesn't work so well elsewhere, but I personally haven't seen him be particularly of line.
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fez_machine posted:There are many places that do have more casual discourse in D&D like the country threads, the chat thread (and maybe USCE? I don't know I don't read it). It's not actually unlike them though. It just narrows the allowed shitposting to a specific ideological range.
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Aegis posted:In the interests of giving feedback, I disagree. Cinci's approach has worked well in the D&D Ukraine thread and before that in the Eastern Europe thread. I especially appreciate this given how much of a drama trap discussion of the war in Ukraine has been on the other subforums. The way they've handled the thread from becoming a drama trap is to forbid discussion of certain topics that are absolutely relevant to discussing the War that Cinci and most thread regulars don't want to read about. MikeC upthread, for example, mentioned how IR theory is verboten--I would figure academic discussions as to the causes of war would be germane to talking about a given war. There's a list of other, purportedly "boring" topics that are off-limits, including the "History of NATO, its relationship with the USSR and the ex-USSR states up until February 24, 2022." That topic isn't boring, it's just something cinci and some others don't want to talk about (I have my beliefs on why that is, but will refrain from elaborating here to keep this from being too much posting about posters). There's nothing left to debate or discuss in the thread, it's essentially an RSS of the war. I also understand I'm impotently pissing in the wind on this. I'm just sore because not one, but two posters told me to die back when the war started over this post I made, both of whom received whopping 6ers for doing so. The mod responsible for those is no longer a DnD mod, thankfully, but the whole experience surrounding discussing the war in DnD has been pretty foul. But as you mentioned, Aegis, the War thread is drama-free, even if it's a terrible space to actually discuss the War. edit: corrected which post I made that led others to wish death on me. Judgy Fucker fucked around with this message at 16:19 on Mar 27, 2023 |
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I think D&D is going well overall. There seem to be less slapfighting/shitposting/white noise posting in general compared to the past couple years, making it easier to read. Keep up the good work!
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socialsecurity posted:Some of the China posting died down due to accusations of racism if one questioned the official Chinese Government line on things. Just to be clear, accusations of racism were because of posts that claimed all Chinese citizens acted as foreign agents of the Chinese government and decried the spreading of Chinese culture and tolerance as a perfidious Chinese government plot. quote:Essentially, the Chinese government wants all of their citizens abroad to act as agents of China. A Chinese citizen is a soldier for the Chinese nation. That sounds like it could backfire in dangerous ways. (Emphasis mine.) Just totally bananas racist stuff, full on Italian dictator "illiberal" rhetoric. Mods did nothing, instead choosing to probe the people arguing against posts like this. Luckily, the moderation team has changed since. Very strange indeed that the news of Xi negotiating peace in the middle east got basically 0 attention in the China thread Edit: the neatest trick of the post was to blame the Chinese government for racism against Chinese people. Very funny stuff, glad to see it posted in a very normal and cool thread. Cpt_Obvious fucked around with this message at 16:33 on Mar 27, 2023 |
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Judgy Fucker posted:Agreed with this, notably purging Cinci. They are not good at moderating. They are needlessly antagonistic and do not handle criticism well (at all, really). They are good at being in charge of messy poo poo the other mods don't want to deal with, which is why they're a mod. But if the ostensible purpose of a feedback thread is to solicit user ideas on how to improve DnD: remove cinci's star. I'll toss in another vote in support of this. I have often seen Cinci making mod choices that I agree with and support, such as closing the ChatGPT thread after it blew up, but I also see them being needlessly antagonistic and biased, seeming to threaten posters not for breaking rules, but for disagreeing with them and/or being wrong/uneducated. Such as, again, in the ChatGPT thread: cinci zoo sniper posted:The fact that a crazy person could have a crazy take on statistics isn't really adding legitimacy to the angle of refusing to understand how the thing works. While I cannot stop such a crazy person from having such a crazy take, I can and will stop them from platforming it in D&D as an idea with an implicit educational value. I agree there is value to try to bring back experts and treat them well, but I also think there is value to allowing uninformed newcomers and flawed perspectives into a discussion, especially if they bring common misconceptions; clearing up those misconceptions is one of the reasons why experts are valuable in the first place. cinci zoo sniper posted:(...) we will not be having a general purpose thread about ChatGPT engaging in substantial anthropomorphization of the software. If you want to make such posts in D&D, you will need to create a thread that leaves no doubt that the thread is about some system of belief, or to debate you personally, rather than about the factual nature of ChatGPT. Cinci also tried to force the ChatGPT thread to contain itself only to the factual, technical functioning of the model, but that only inflamed the existing tensions in the thread. This isn't SH/SC. There's room for debate of conceptual topics, here. Nothing in the OP defined it in the way Cinci was framing it. (I know I posted earlier that I supported Cinci's treatment of the ChatGPT thread, and while I still believe closing it was a good move, and personally disagree with many of KillHour's posts & beliefs, I have changed my overall position as a result of posts in this thread) XboxPants fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Mar 27, 2023 |
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Judgy Fucker posted:The way they've handled the thread from becoming a drama trap is to forbid discussion of certain topics that are absolutely relevant to discussing the War that Cinci and most thread regulars don't want to read about. MikeC upthread, for example, mentioned how IR theory is verboten--I would figure academic discussions as to the causes of war would be germane to talking about a given war. There's a list of other, purportedly "boring" topics that are off-limits, including the "History of NATO, its relationship with the USSR and the ex-USSR states up until February 24, 2022." That topic isn't boring, it's just something cinci and some others don't want to talk about (I have my beliefs on why that is, but will refrain from elaborating here to keep this from being too much posting about posters). There's nothing left to debate or discuss in the thread, it's essentially an RSS of the war. I'm sorry you've had bad experiences, but I strongly disagree. The D&D Ukraine thread is generally quite active and has been kept very readable. I am not aware of anything stopping you from posting a new thread if you want to talk about things that are out-of-bounds.
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Aegis posted:I'm sorry you've had bad experiences, but I strongly disagree. The D&D Ukraine thread is generally quite active and has been kept very readable. I am not aware of anything stopping you from posting a new thread if you want to talk about things that are out-of-bounds. The thing that would be stopping me is the capricious moderation by CZS. Thank you for your cordiality, genuinely.
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Maybe it's time for d&d to become "d" & "d" - consolidate all threads down to one of two thread tags ("debate" and "discuss") respectively; using the Ukraine thread as an example one thread can be for lively, scholarly debate on the merits of arming Nazis to own The Other Empire and one can be a feel-good, vibes only thread to discuss and report on the ongoing Azov rebellion against That Other Empire
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