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Mustang posted:Look how many Americans live in soulless suburbs that could be anywhere in the US, they've probably never really experienced a "community" to value one in the first place. Or they're trapped in rural hellholes where the "community" is christians and trumpsuckers.
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Randalor posted:Please excuse me if I burst into laughter at the first few "Thoughts and Prayers" from politicians because of how darkly comical sending "thoughts and prayers" to a shooting at a CHRISTIAN school is. Listen, if God didn't help them during the shooting, sending more prayers their way sure as gently caress won't change anything. Shout louder, for surely he is a god! Maybe he's deep in thought, or distracted, or on a journey. Perhaps he is sleeping and must be roused!
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cr0y posted:Update: crashed A load of iron ore, 26 thousand tons more?
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cat botherer posted:https://twitter.com/SDonziger/status/1640428641762054144 Wait, so...two Trump judges, one of which is  dissented. That should mean it was struck down, because surely the three liberals didn't approve this, and 3+2 is 5 and thus a majority.Fart Amplifier posted:Murdering innocent kids is really not understandable O Daughter of Babylon, doomed to destruction, blessed is he who repays you as you have done to us. Blessed is he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.
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I dunno about this King Ralph reboot.
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Mar 29, 2023 23:38
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Sounds like the shooter was following Jehovah's commands just fine. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Mar 30, 2023 19:03
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Cut out everything delicious and fun in your life and you too can live long enough to watch New York sink into the boiling Atlantic. 
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Cimber posted:Yeah, democrats don't want to open pandora's box Which is why they, and we, are hopeless. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Didn't it also happen as the Steamed Hams meme was exploding, just to pile more evidence on the Fates being Simpsons fans?
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Koos Group posted:Do you have examples of when those solutions have been implemented, or proposed with mainstream acceptance? The camps along the southern border that were an Assault On Human Rights until team blue won, then they became It's Complicated.
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Also I "love" how the language of social justice gets deployed to protect shitheads. "You think someone shouldn't be a senator just because they're so dementia ridden they don't even know where they are?! Wow. Wow. First, ableist. Second, she is a woman, so: sexist. Do better, champ."
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Apr 19, 2023 18:29
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TheDisreputableDog posted:But certainly aborting female fetuses because you want a boy would be wrong? Would it?
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James Garfield posted:Youth turnout (and turnout in general) gets talked about way out of proportion to how much it matters, Democratic turnout wasn't as bad as in 2014 but the main reason 2022 went unexpectedly well is Trump voters voting for Democrats. Those Trump voters are going to be voting for Trump in 2024.
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Apr 25, 2023 19:59
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The popes only stole power once the Empire began to falter under relentless Muslim attack.
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Apr 25, 2023 21:26
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I'm not surprised that Bernie's not running (he's 82, he's already lost twice, he'd be against an incumbent in the primary), even if I would immediately have volunteered for his campaign if he had. But it does aggravate that feeling of hopelessness. Nobody currently can step into his place, the mainline options for Democrats are all godawful and the most optimistic outlook is "well maybe in 2036 we can get a decent candidate, assuming the republicans don't win any election between now and then and also the environment doesn't collapse". Urgh. zoux posted:Can you be more specific on that, what specifically did he do to destroy the national progressive movement. He did nothing. As he promised, of course: "Nothing will fundamentally change".
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Skex posted:Because if we can't stop them at the ballot box we're going to be fighting them in the streets   Ah, drat, streetfighting it is. If only I'd been more sanctimonious! (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Gumball Gumption posted:Yeah, from what I'm gathering it's leftist street fighters fault that the Democrats couldn't stop all 9 judges from signing a piece of paper that said "no oversight thank you". And also we must cheer for Joe Manchin and the Disney Corporation as the bulwarks protecting us from fascism.
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Yawgmoft posted:The amount we on the left bend over backwards to say "well I would never cheer for Disney/please don't misunderstand I hate Disney/gently caress Disney" is quite frankly tiring. They aren't doing anything wrong here, I feel no compunction to make me throttle my support for them as they smother President DeSantis in his crib. It's extremely important to always remember that corporations are not your friends. Otherwise you start saying stupid things like "Disney is standing up to fascist takeover" and forgetting that they're funding the fascists.
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The bigger reason is that Germany had to go through the Allies' allies to be able to fight the Soviets, so they never had the option. If Hitler could have somehow invaded the USSR without chewing up eastern Europe first, the capitalists would have backed him instead.
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Angry_Ed posted:Yeah he was so eager to fight the Soviets he signed a non-agression pact with them, complete with a Secret Protocol to carve up Eastern Europe between the two. And in return the USSR was only far too happy to engage in Anti-Semitic actions and help cause Genocide in Poland. Invading the USSR, destroying communism, and slaughtering everybody living there to resettle the land with Germans was the driving force of Nazism. Byzantine fucked around with this message at 18:13 on May 1, 2023 |
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Morrow posted:They were both horrific, totalitarian regimes that committed brutal crimes against their own population and against their neighbors so let's not spend time rehashing which was marginally worse or treated better by history. True, but it was still preferable for the British Empire to win over the Nazis.
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Blue Footed Booby posted:Is your contention that Britain and France would have been content to let Japan and Italy screw with their colonies, that fighting Japan and Italy wouldn't have eventually dragged in Germany, that Germany wouldn't have invaded France, or that none of these would have concerned the capitalists invested in those colonies (or France)? My contention is that it's wrong to see WW2 as the capitalists siding with commies over fascists, because they were attacked first, due to surrounding the fascists. It wasn't a decision made rationally or out of altruism, they didn't make the decision at all. Angry_Ed posted:So obviously Stalin was either dumb as poo poo or he somehow thought the guy who equated Bolsheviks and Jews was going to honor a deal. The USSR had spent five years trying to ally with the west against the Nazis. A French-Soviet agreement in 1935 was Hitler's justification for remilitarizng the Rhineland. The Soviets wanted to attack Germany to defend Czechoslovakia, but when the West decided on appeasement, the Soviets figured "if they'll sell out the Czechs, they'll sell us out too". Stalin was dumb as poo poo because he 1. had all his commanders shot and 2. sat there like a lemon because he thought Germany wouldn't be so stupid as to start a two-front war even when all his intelligence services and Britain's were reporting the Barbarossa buildup. And yes, he wanted former territories of the Russian Empire too.
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Mellow Seas posted:My friend Brendan is a really fun guy and you would be sad if he hated you, trust me. I'd also be sad after his work exploded my family.
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Skex posted:The Nazis were not defeated with words social pressure. They were defeated with tanks, planes, ships trucks and people with guns. Do you cheer for the Russian military since it killed Nazis 80 years ago?
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Skex posted:In fact the left really screwed up by not joining the military and law enforcement to counter the influence of the Fash in those institutions and the insistence of people like you demonizing anyone in those institutions only pushes those who may be sympathetic away. I like how you phrase it as a failing of the left here. The US military/law enforcement are not neutral parties that can be swayed to either side - they are inherently anti-leftist organizations that have been purging any pinko sympathizers from their ranks since before anybody in this thread was born. Leftists joining up to Change The System From Within just gets them killed like Pat Tillman.
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RBA Starblade posted:Weren't you the guy cheering on shooting children as God's will? How are you still here? No, I was mocking the religious fuckers' reaction of "that why we need god and bibble"/"thoughts and prayers"/etc by saying that the shooter's actions were in fact in line with the Bible's teachings. This is what the christians want, for people to do what their god commands, and Jehovah says it's a-ok to splatter the children of your oppressors. Byzantine fucked around with this message at 21:18 on May 7, 2023 |
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DeadlyMuffin posted:If the platform gets co-opted, why is that a bad thing? Because the Dems won't do it and will even actively kill attempts to do it, but they say the words in a platform or speech to get votes from people who think they will and siphon off popular energy.
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Main Paineframe posted:In terms of the current conversation, though, there are much better comparisons to make. Would you say that the Anglo-Polish defensive alliance made Nazi Germany feel threatened and provoked the invasion that followed? Because that's very similar to the argument that's being made right now about Ukraine and NATO. A neat historical connection: the French-Soviet pact of 1935 was explicitly referenced by Hitler as the reason to remilitarize the Rhineland. And appeasement was such a disaster that it made the Soviets go with forging a pact with Germany instead, because after the Allies sold out Czechoslovakia, Russia had no reason to believe they wouldn't sell them out too. I think people are stuck on America (or more generally the West) being Good. "Why didn't the Soviets believe that the British Empire would keep its word?" "Why does Russia feel threatened that the Anti-Russia Alliance headed by its biggest rival is pressing up against its borders?" "Don't they understand we're the Good Guys?" Inshallah, Putin's government will soon collapse and I support Ukraine's fight for independence. But I keep getting a weird sense in these discussions of Russia and Russians being an Evil nation that does Evil, in like a cosmic or religious sense. We've had Cuba blockaded for 60 years, but see that's Different from Russia attacking the small countries near it when they move out of its sphere of influence.
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Papercut posted:Not to speak for anyone else, but my read is that people are not arguing from the basis that the US is good, they're arguing that the premise that joining a defensive alliance is an act of aggression is absurd If Ukraine became a NATO member, wouldn't it host the American military, either as troops or official bases like Poland, Bulgaria and Estonia do? Would America let Mexico host Chinese soldiers and bases? If California had broken off in 1991 and was now cozying up to China, the US would invade no doubt. Or for one that's not a counterfactual, American missiles in Turkey is just protecting our defensive alliance buddies, Russian missiles in Cuba is 
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sweek0 posted:The current Democratic Party is really not all that different from any of the big European center left parties like Labour (UK), SPD (DE), or the Scandinavian parties. Looking at the left wing wave in South America I also don't see anyone actually enacting any policies anywhere near as progressive as what progressives/lefties on forums like this are looking for. People want to believe that somebody somewhere has figured out a better way of doing things. Unfortunately, the entire world is moving rightward so the parties in Europe we used to be able to point to as examples to follow are now no better than the Democrats, with things like universal healthcare only existing as legacies they haven't gotten around to privatizing yet.
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:Can you provide some evidence for this assertion? I have good friends in Canada and France and Scotland and none of them seem to share your opinion that universal health care is on the brink of being completely annihilated at any moment. It's not specifically "they're getting rid of universal healthcare RIGHT NOW", but like, take the French protests. For as much as I approve of them burning buildings down, it never actually stops anything. Ten years ago it was rebelling against raising the retirement age to 62, now it's rebelling against raising it to 64. Didn't stop it, the government just waits out the protests then does whatever it wanted to do (move rightward). Italy and Eastern Europe are literally going capital-f Fascist. A little bit of immigration and Sweden's now got a hard-right government with actual nazis as their second-largest party. Germany's given up on anything climate-related thanks to the Greens. Britain's Labour leader outright declared they're a centrist party now. If I've got the wrong impression, then I'd greatly appreciate being corrected, because it looks very hopeless all around.
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Seph posted:The entire point of my comment was to point out that Denmark, a country with incredibly robust social welfare system, has a retirement age of 67. There was a bit of derail when one poster insinuated that it's actually a right wing country, which I hope everyone can agree is absurd on its face. At no point was I making an argument that Denmark is a perfect leftist country, nor that it has leftist policies on every single subject. It's possible to be one of the most left countries in the world and still not have a socialist or communist economic structure. They are not mutually exclusive concepts. "One of the most left countries in the world" isn't a ringing endorsement when the whole world is hard right. It's like saying Italy was the 'most left' of the Axis Powers, or Biden is the 'most left' President in nearly a century. If Denmark and Sweden are squealing about how they must secure a future for their people because there's a tide of Others threatening to wash them away, then at best they're some kind of nationalist socialists.
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Racism as we know it developed alongside capitalism as the Europeans had to justify using slaves to work in their colonies in the Americas. Christians were absolutely not supposed to be enslaving Christians, but dammit, all these pagans keep dying of disease, how are we supposed to make any money?! I don't agree that they're inherently linked, but their shared history makes it very difficult to unravel the two, and it certainly can't be done by just electing a few minorities or promoting #girlboss CEOs (as can be seen by how many of those girlboss CEOs turned out to be exactly as exploitative as their male counterparts). Ultimately that's why I do lean more towards 'no war but class war' - a black capitalist is a capitalist first. Putting more diversity into the capitalist class won't improve anything for anyone except those specific individuals, because wealth overrides everything and wow, turns out Cosby, Obama, Harris and Chappelle will happily spin around and stomp on the people who are supposed to be "like them" according to idpol.
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The Romans didn't consider themselves part of "the white race" with their equals the Germanic tribes, destined to dominate "the slave races" of Africa. Roman slavery was widespread and often brutal, but it wasn't based on "everybody of this color is automatically a slave". Likewise there were no demands for birth certificates when guys from Africa or Arabia rose to become Emperors. In the medieval era, religion was the driver of conflict. The Ethiopians were treated as equals on the few occasions there was contact, Genghis Khan was hailed as a hero until people realized The persecutions of Jews were religious in nature, and the Crusades hammered into whoever was a heretic or infidel regardless of their skin color. I realize this seems like splitting hairs - what does it matter if the angry mob burning your house down is technically doing it because you worship god wrong, not because you're too brown. But I think it does matter because racism as we know it is not inherent to humanity. It is about 500 years old and it was conjured up so some rich people could get richer. It's not a demon unable to be exorcised, it is something we can beat.
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The persecutions of Jews from the Romans onward was based on religion, as were the Crusades (which were first kicked off by the Turks invading Byzantium, although they rapidly turned into attacking any heretics or heathens). Mellow Seas posted:I also think that if Black people didn't exist in America, if we didn't have this history of racial subjugation, then we would've invented them. That is to say, we would've readily invented bigotries. The "white" identity only exists in opposition to blackness, and would be happy to subdivide itself into a hierarchy in its absence. S The 'white identity' as we know it didn't exist before it was invented to support enslaving black people in the Americas. The Romans didn't see themselves as the same as the Germans, while in the medieval era Ethiopia was considered part of Christendom with no asterisks. I mean sure, if you define literally all violence as racist, then racism is inherent to humanity, but I don't feel that's a useful definition.
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