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BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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I grew up in Delaware and lived in Philly and, let me tell you, I'm not sure how anyone can tell the difference after a chemical spill. loving 30 years ago, if you flew into the Philadelphia airport, you'd get a good look at the Delaware river and it looked an oil slick on a wet road. Rainbow color swirls and all. It also loving stunk to high heaven. That river doesn't even resemble water and looks like you could walk on it.

I'm not downplaying the spill, just saying it's weird to suddenly think that NOW the river is polluted so let's make a COVID-19 toilet paper run on all the bottled water. It's been disgusting toxic sludge for as long as I can remember.

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BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.
So the Trump indictment is surely going to need its own thread, no?

When (if), he's found not guilty, I have to think this is only going to fortify his brand. At least among his base.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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Fritz the Horse posted:

I read somewhere that the trial for this would likely occur sometime in mid-2024, likely around summer time, so it'll be a whole Thing in the middle of the election. Defendants usually show up for their trials I believe? Hard to say how it all goes down.

Trump will demand the trial be televised, babble endlessly about the huge ratings and attempt to turn the entire thing into re-election campaign speech. He'll insist that the court has to play that Jan 6th song then stand up and recite the pledge before every proceeding.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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Post-indictment poll: Trump surges to largest-ever lead over DeSantis

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-indictment-poll-surges-lead-desantis-151150006.html

Good to know that being impeached 2x and being the first president in history to be indicted is one for the plus column. I guess one could argue that it's similar to Clinton's approval bounce after he was impeached but I think it's more along the lines that him Trump being charged is proof and validation of the deep state and all that poo poo. WHy are they so loyal and why do they love this person so much? A person who is incapable of love or loyalty and who throws under the bus then shits on everyone and anyone he's ever worked with the second they're no longer useful? Prior to that they were "brilliant" and just "the best people". But it's never Trump's judgement that's at fault. It's their character.

I think the slavish devotion from the Christian right is the one that gets me the most. THe thrice divorced adulterer who bangs porn stars is god's chosen hero for america.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

This is the third major study in the last year that analyzed 40 years of data and determined that any amount of alcohol is harmful to your health.

There are also not health benefits to drinking a moderate amount of red wine or beer, contrary to many popular assumptions.

Additionally, their findings were similar to others conducted by the WHO and the World Heart Federation that determined that even consuming 2 drinks per week has negative health impacts.

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1643538978014986240

Well, I'm dead then. NOw watch me live to be 95 years old with 25 I never wanted.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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Automata 10 Pack posted:

He’s so going to be our president. lol.

So anyways, Clarence Thomas has been taking bribes:

https://www.propublica.org/article/clarence-thomas-scotus-undisclosed-luxury-travel-gifts-crow

Will he see any repercussion? I mean, his wife was involved in the coup so uh.

poo poo, he won't even recuse himself if any of those people who paid for that poo poo wind up in his court.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

The IRS announced that, with the $80 billion in new funding they received from the IRA, they will be overhauling the entire agency.

Their plan includes:

- Hiring 30,000 new employees to work customer service jobs and 57,000 employees to reduce attrition and double the agency's staff.

- The new staff will also be used to increase audits of businesses and the wealthy by 10x to about 4.5% to 5% from the current 0.4% (with an additional goal of 20% of filings reporting greater than $400,000 in income receiving manual reviews - not full audits that require additional participation from the filer).

- Debuting a pilot program to allow people to file their taxes online through the IRS website and have live customer support assist them in filing through secure online portals.

- Introducing their own free IRS tax prep software for the nearly 70% of people who qualify for free online filing.

- Introducing new document scanners, IT upgrades, and electronic record keeping systems.

The IRS is taking a big gamble doing this because Republicans have threatened to cut their budget and repeal the IRA funding. If they do, then they will run out of money for their IT upgrades by 2027 and be unable to complete them without new funds being appropriated.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/04/06/biden-irs-tax-audit-wealthy/

Not according to the RWM I monitor. They tell me that the IRS is loading up on auditors to go after people making $30,000 a year who gently caress up over $20 in jail and take their house, apartment, trailor, shed, tent van.

Seriously though I hope the customer service thing works because god drat, when I ran into some trouble after my divorce, getting anyone on the phone or even corresponding by mail was nigh impossible. Not kidding that I spent 3.5 hours on the phone once trying to straighten poo poo out where it just laid there on my coffee table on speaker.

BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 00:29 on Apr 7, 2023

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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Kalli posted:

Rather then rehash primary chat again, how about this, the Biden admin has seen how far red states have gone in criminalizing trans lives, and decided, hey maybe they had some good ides when they were pushing this last year before settling on kill all those groomer freaks:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/educ..._source=twitter

Between this and their push to re-enact much of Trump's immigration policies, just despicable, vile poo poo coming from this administration.

Again, you're listening to the wrong news. I have it on good authority that Biden is a far left radical socialist implementing a woke agenda in his quest to destroy America and that "we won't even have a country left" if he wins the next election. Seems I've heard this rhetoric somewhere before (Kerry, Obama, Hillary). Every candidate is the most radical left wing socialist who ever socialismed, no matter how centrist or milquetoast their voting record is or their policies are.

If the Democrats ran Joe Manchin or Sinema, we'd hear about how they "voted with Obama/Biden 98% of the time" as proof of how far left they are. I don't know if the right wing thinks that people like me simply adore Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton or if it's just a cheap way to frame the narrative but every time I get accused of being a left wing radical for voting Democrat I almost have to laugh. I vote for democrats because the alternative are literally fascists.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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is pepsi ok posted:

"Competent fascist" was always the wrong framing for DeSantis. It should be something more like "guy who appeals to the MAGA base but is still friendly to/controlled by the Republican establishment."

Which is turning out to be his undoing. He can only appeal to the MAGAs through his pre-planned stunts, but when you hear the guy actually talk it's clear that he's a donor-pleaser and a sniveling ladder climber. His attempts to triangulate a position where he pushes back on Trump's insults but never actually attacks him is the exact kind of weakness that the MAGA base hates.

Yeah, in his case, it's more like the same Trumpian stuff without the showbiz, cheesy marketing and...hoopla. Except that most of the GOP base not only loves all that stupid poo poo, but is going to require it going forward. To the MAGA base, Trump's impeachments and arrest are POSITIVE things, a little bit like rappers getting dinged by cops or going to jail. Republican Street Cred, if you will.

I still think that Desantis stands a decent chance of being the nominee, depending on the number of clowns in the primary, and that he can certainly win an election against Biden. No one is excited was excited about Joe Biden then, is now, or is going to be 2 years from now. I'd go as far as to say that Ron has a better chance in the general than Donald, but less of a chance in the primary, especially in a crowded field.

A lot of people who are saying that Desantis has no chance may have been the same ones saying Trump would never sniff the nomination, let alone beat Hillary. Things can change fast and I don't think that old rules apply anymore.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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Framboise posted:

It's this.

I've never been more apathetic about going to vote and I've been able to do so since 2008. I do it out of bitter obligation just so I feel like I have my say against the Republican in the election at that time, but also knowing that even if the Democrat wins, there isn't going to be any significant change for the better when all they do is cave to any amount of conservative bluster. Unlike me, though, a lot of Millennials have just given up. I know quite a few people who just don't bother voting anymore, especially here in Indiana where left voices literally never get heard.

This is why my hopes are higher about Gen Z reaching voting age. At the very least, they're not bitter and jaded yet, and I feel like there will be a significant leftward shift as boomers drop off.

So long as they're allowed to vote in the upcoming election.

This is where I am and, sadly, has been my experience since I've been eligible to vote.

The first ballot I ever cast was for Michael "how am I losing to this guy?" Dukakis and every single year it's felt like I'm voting for the lesser of two evils. The only candidates I was even mildly enthusiastic about were Al Gore and certainly Barrack Obama, who to me at the time, seemed transformative. Joke was on me. My appreciation for Gore was also more retroactive than in the moment as I learned more about him and aided by the ghoulish loving disaster of the GWB administration, where I wonder what might have been and how different the world might be had Gore won that one.

Maybe not as different as I like to think but, at a minimum, I don't think we get an Iraq war and we certainly would have gotten some earlier movement on climate change. I wonder too what the whole overall reaction to 9/11 might have been.

In the meantime, I find myself having trouble generating much passion for the likes of John Kerry, Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton so I can only imagine how much more lukewarm a younger voter might feel for the candidates the DNC keeps turning out.

SpeedFreek posted:

The general attitude I have seen is both parties suck or it wont affect me so I'm not voting, now that the dog has caught the car its been chasing there is plain as can be proof that at least one republican policy goal will negatively impact them or someone they care about. That's why many including myself thought the republicans would keep Roe V Wade while campaigning against it as a wedge issue, because they knew how much it would motivate people against them if they did get it struck down.

It's also due to the generational influence of RWM and talk radio. The true believers ARE the base now and even Republicans who know all that stuff is mostly bullshit have to play along and cater to them to even win a primary. I suppose that's what you meant by "caught the car". People like Jesse Helms used to be outliers and viewed as pariahs but now you've got MTG, Desantis, Santos, Boebert, etc. as the mainstream, culminating in Trump and his cult.

And the problem with younger, more liberal voters has always been that young people simply don't turn out to vote - so those figures suggesting that they are increasing participation are encouraging. Still, it's hard for me to imagine they're particular;y fired up about Sleepy Joe or Kamala Harris.

BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Apr 9, 2023

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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Main Paineframe posted:

This isn't true at all, though. The core of the Satanic Panic focused heavily on daycares and preschools. It was driven by a rising awareness of child abuse,[b] encouraged by a little industry of self-proclaimed abuse experts pushing into the relatively new and untested field of social work with extremely dubious theories and techniques, and played out against the backdrop of the new right-wing fundamentalist movement that had come together in the late 70s as a backlash against the progressivism of the era.

Uhhh...no? Not really. Or not at all as far as I remember.

I was a teenager in the 80's who played D&D and listened to a little bit of metal and I never ran up on anything from my friends' parents that may have worried about the poo poo Geraldo and morning talk show was on about that riled up housewife moms with the motivations that you're describing. I never once heard any adult/parent talk even once about those things, nor address the abuses of the catholic church or daycare and preschools at all for that matter. It was the imagery, song lyrics and poo poo like album covers or pictures that seemed provocative on TV for Concerned Mothers who had no idea what their kids read or listened to.

They were mostly on about artists like Ozzy Osbourne and Judas Priest (who were actually sued for a kid's suicide) and also a little bit up in arms about a long debunked suicide story about a kid who played D&D that was turned into a Tom Hanks TB movie called Mazes and Monsters. The whole thing was stupid. Demons and devils were in the D&D Monster Manual so, naturally, that led all us kids to devil worship and bands like Priest, Iron Maiden and a few others seemed "evil" to concerned moms. There were accusations of backwards masking and subliminal messages in the music. The PMRC became a thing once artists like Prince and Madonna raised the stakes on sexuality in music and a few metal bands got caught up in that net from a different angle.

But none of it was much centered around what you describe. At least the Satanic Panic part.

There was one story about a mass grave and some underground tunnels in a day care/pre school but that wasn't the driving force for most of what you're talking about. A few daytime talk shows did segments about Killer Kids that were supposedly motivated by Satan and the artists and movies they blamed for inspiring them.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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Yeah, I mean blaming "the media" or the "government" is just too nebulous and easy, I think, and the reason they're such convenient catch alls for "what's wrong with everything" is that they're the result of deep rooted systemic problems. Everything being profit driven and constantly for sale being one of them. Where nothing worth doing is worth doing unless someone makes it's for money. Corporations are similar to a certain extent and may be equally nebulous by some measure but they're more worthy of owning that bullseye because, essentially, they're the ones at the top of the pyramid/food chain driving loving everything. And I mean everything.

From what we see, what we buy, where (and how) we work, what laws get passed and who enforces them, what we value, what we're taught, how we're educated and for what reason, what gets built and where, and so forth. Conservatives worship them and treat them like overlords by calling them "job creators" that provide us all freedom but very few working for the median salary in this country really feel free, even if they convince themselves they are. You're "free" to devote 8-12 hours a day to doing their bidding or starve to death in the street.

And the blowback argument I always get from people who think this system is good is always that "it's better than most any other country" and, while they're not entirely wrong, it's frustrating to know that's where the bar is set

I don't know what the answer is but I think it starts with removing the profit motive from things people essentially need to loving live (food, shelter, water, healthcare, education). Not sure how we do that and pretty sure no one else does either.

BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 01:34 on Apr 13, 2023

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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beerinator posted:

The Trump Hotel a few blocks away has multiple kitchens in it. If they needed food, they could have gotten food. Trump just loves fast food and assumed college kids did too.

They do.

From all accounts, the athletes loving loved all that McDonalds food and RWM used that to defend Trump in a "what's so wrong about that? I don't see the problem here." sort of way. I heard a few people talking about it in this vein and I was always like "If you don't see why the President of the United States serving all that lovely food on White House china is funny, I don't know what to tell you".

The photo of it alone just reeked of low rent, white trash, bourjois hilarity - and Trump's proud, smug smile just made it even funnier - but the kids who were invited literally ate that poo poo up and didn't mind it at all.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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Yeah, I mean, this is a picture from a loving Onion article.

For some reason I've found myself lately pondering the 2024 election and I think I'm finally coming around to and facing the stark reality of the fact that, every single time, it's the lesser of two of evils and I'm always voting against someone more than voting for someone. I remember the first time I could vote being fairly excited to vote for Dukakis because, even back then and despite my extreme lack of political knowledge about much of anything, it was gently caress George Bush. Then I watched Dukakis get loving massacred and wondered exactly what it was that was so weird about ME that didn't jive with pretty much what seemed like all of society.

The only presidential candidate in my lifetime that I was genuinely excited for was Barack Obama, for a multitude of reasons, and that's exactly one out of ten. The older I get, the more checked out and apathetic I become; always resigned to voting to STOP something instead of creating anything and now, in 1.5 years, here I'll be again staring at Joe Biden and Donald Trump knowing this is never, ever going to change in my lifetime. I don't know what took me so long for it to really sink in and I'm not sure if it's by design or what but, god drat.

Every 4 years, in the richest and most powerful nation in the world, these are the best and brightest we can offer?

I think that no matter how this shakes out for Trump, he's going to come out of it stronger and with an even more dug in base of support than he had before. The idea of being actually tried with a crime, an whether he's convicted or not, is going to be seen as a positive for the crazies. It's either going to be validation of the Deep State and create more MTG's or, if Trump is found not guilty, looked at as the big, bad ultimate AMerican patriot emerging victorious against the loony libs.

:words: sorry

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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Gumball Gumption posted:


I think the lesser evil idea is cope because we don't want to talk about how limited the options are and how far the truth is from our national myth. It's not that the candidates are all evil. We absolutely get ones who try and a lot of Dems are "good enough" for whatever that means. I don't like Joe but it doesn't really matter if you do or not, it's that he's in the finals at all. It's that Joe Biden is supposed to have won a meritocracy. And Trump did before that. And really Obama and Bush. That's our best and brightest? That's the leader of the country where everyone can be president?

Well put.

Also, none of the best and brightest ever happen to be women, atheist, Jewish, gay, Hispanic, Asian, etc, but one time it was a black guy and that finally solved racism, according to the right. Plus we all saw how well they handled that. Barrack HUSSEIN Obama and his non existent birth certificate and poo poo.

I'll keep voting like I always do but I'm less and less enthusiastic about it and am getting tired of basically shoving my finger in a dike, hoping it will slow the rising tide of fascism.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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Velocity Raptor posted:

I know that right now the focus is on Thomas, but could this end up causing an investigation into all current sitting justices as well to make sure they're complaint?

Like, could Thomas have just hosed up the "good thing" the other justices had going?

Depends.

If it's an investigation or report about a Bush or Trump appointed judge, it's a fake news media witch hunt. And in Thomas' case, a perfect example to claim hypocritical racism. If it's a look into Sotomayor or Kagan, then it's a huge scandal connected to Hunter Biden's laptop, China, Venezuela and one Soros, George along with a huge story that The Media isn't talking about.

If any Jan 6th/fake election fraud issues reach the Supreme Court, Thomas should recuse himself because of Ginny but we know he won't.

I don't know what kind of gifts perks bribes other justices receive but any and all of them should knock that poo poo off. Except, what do you do? Appeal it to the Super Turbo Supreme Court? SCOTUS is the final line in the sand and, short of impeachment (which we already know how that might go), there's really not much you can do I don't think.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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WebDO posted:

Here's a crazy idea, instead of trying to impeach Thomas, why not, you know, just arrest him for his crimes? Let him remain a justice from prison who gives a gently caress. In fact, let them all keep their lifetime appointments, let me know how voting on fascist cases goes from prison.

Arrest him using who exactly and which judicial arm?

Plus I even doubt that what he's doing would be considered an arrestable offense to be honest. It's more of an ethics violation than a straight up crime, at least from what I know about what's going on. The person giving him gifts doesn't, as far as I know, have any impending cases in front of Thomas' court or anything like that but I may be wrong.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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Zwabu posted:

I would think that lying for years on your taxes about hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars in income must be a criminal offense?

Oh yeah. I forgot about the (possible) tax fraud thing if he didn't disclose those things.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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Pretty sweet that the people who are elected to enforce laws are allowed to essentially do insider trading in full view of the american public and no one ever wants to do anything about it. ANy elected government official should divest or place in a trust any and all stocks they sell or buy, period. Instead, we have a government that's allowed to pass laws which directly affect their investment portfolios with prior first hand knowledge of how that will impact the stock they own.

It's incredible.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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the_steve posted:

Yeah, this is exactly it.

Disney was able to put down roots in Florida and get away with what they have so far specifically because back in the Early Days, nobody could have possibly foreseen Disney becoming it's own world power. Florida probably thought they were the ones getting one over on Disney at the time.
By the time anyone realized how strong the Mouse had become, it was too late.

There would never be another state in the union that would give Disney more than a fraction of the control they currently enjoy in Florida, and they'd make drat sure to have some sort of failsafes in place to keep it that way.

FL resident here:

I don't think it is/was just Disney. Steel mills, car factories...Amazon's new werehouse had states and cities bidding for the "opportunity" and all the "new jobs". Sports team owners routinely shake down major cities for stadium development and taxpayer funding. It's not new.

Granted, probably none of those examples are on the SCALE of what Disney did/does in Florida, but that also includes the vast amount of income they bring into the state.

It's a weird hill for DeSantis to die on because "free market" and "corporations are people" and "party of small government". It's like Iowa going after Big Corn or maybe Texas loving around with oil companies and none of it really jibes with the stated GOP agenda. You can read about them head scratching over it and trying to conflate what Ron is doing with their hands off approach to business.

It's even weirder for me because I hate DeSantis as well as Disney.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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^^^True^^^

It's always weird to me that the GOP wants to let the free market speak except when they decide they don't like what it has to say. Actually not that weird since they do that with anything and everything.

Twincityhacker posted:

I'm probably one of the few people rooting for Disney, because even extremely tepid pushback against facist genocide is still pushback against facist genocide.

World Famous W posted:

i will never root for disney. most ill give is a "let them fight"

Yeah, I dunno. I'm kind of on the fence but slightly siding with The Mouse only because this is the GOP governor going after them solely because they're friendly to gay people and don't want them to burn in hell. If I'm adding it all up, Disney has done far more for my 12 year old son and been less detrimental to his development than Ron DeSantis has but, for me, it's like a playoff game or a Super Bowl with two teams I can't loving stand.

I lean towards Ron's motives being way more performative and devious than Disney's rather basic and easy to understand "accumulate as much profit as possible" motives over DeSantis' "gently caress these woke queers vote for me"

I also don't think that Disney is going to suffer much over climate change for a good while. It sounds like some posters in this thread think they're coastal but they're not.

BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Apr 29, 2023

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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Hieronymous Alloy posted:

It's very tempting and convenient and comforting to believe that because there weren't catastrophic consequences on Jan 6, there could not have been.

Believing that is how we make sure there are such consequences next time.

Agreed.

I started a January 6th thread that is now I think the Trump Legal Problem thread and it's astonishing to me how many posters here kind of blew the whole thing off and considered a huge joke, I guess going by the measure that they ultimately failed. But that whole day could have gone a whole lot loving worse and the fact that it didn't isn't entirely down to the fact that the insurrectionists were unorganized and generally stupid. A lot of it was dumb luck and some of it was that the targets were evacuated swiftly.

The motherfuckers overran and stormed the god damned capitol building with murder on their minds and thought they were re-enacting the revolutionary war. When some of them got caught and a lot of it looked as ugly as it was, they tried to say they were framed by Antifa or some poo poo. These MAGA's are an insane, fascist, authoritarian cult - straight up - and I don't think they're much of a laughing matter. I live in NE FLorida and I HEAR the things these people say and know the way they think. Folks openly talk about murdering Pelosi, Biden, etc. and how great it would be.

If anyone thinks that someone wouldn't have executed Nancy Pelosi or any other Democrat they got their hands on over a live stream that day, if given the chance, they're delusional and don't truly understand the true, hardened mindset of these maniacs.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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Blindeye posted:

Rehobeth beach and Ocean City in Maryland just south are honestly great. Hot but not as humid as beaches in the south, decent waves, broad, clean sandy beaches and water that isn't filled with seaweed like stuff farther up like the Jersey shore/NYC.

But it's not pretty, per se. Just a good beach if what you want to do is swim and tan.

Edit: Nebraska is pretty only if you like expanses of nothing but corn. Stock desktop-rear end state.

Having grown up in Delaware, this is, at most, partially true. Beach erosion has rendered the actual "beach" almost non existent and the ocean frequently reaches all the way to the boardwalk(s). Parking is abysmal and traffic is a nightmare. For the "Great Party Beach" crowd, the cops in OC and Rehobeth are notorious assholes and routinely gently caress with pretty much anyone. Both beaches are incredibly crowded also and getting to and from either of them is a pain in the rear end.

I had some good times there but the only time I had the most fun was when we had a cottage or a room right there close to a few things and were able to take the trolley thing to wherever we went on the "strip".

Judgy Fucker posted:

Do these people actually exist, though? I know they usually trot out a few people who claim to be as such as props for the town halls and debates but I've never once met someone in my life who has claimed that a debate swayed them one way or the other, and nothing I've experienced suggests these people exist in any kind of meaningful number*

But, my experiences aren't data, so if anyone does have data showing that an actually relevant number of voters do in fact make decisions based on one or more debates I'd love to see it.

*I do remember a number of people I knew being horrified at Palin's debate performance vs. Biden in '08, one exception

The biggest one I can remember was actually a vice presidential debate where Ross Perot was running as an Independent and his VP pick was Admiral James Stockdale who gave a performance so bizarre, incompetent and just plain dumb that it single handedly sank whatever chance Perot had to be competitive.

There have been a few "zingers" ans "moments" that caught on over the years that may have swayed some elections a bit but the thing is, all this poo poo is done on social media and internet websites now. No one needs to tune in to know what candidates think or to hear them lay a sick burn on their opponent. Hell, it's starting to happen already right now and anyone who cares already knows about it.

BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 22:53 on May 2, 2023

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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I don't think any of us really need a Biden v Trump debate, if I'm being honest, and I don't think it would really do either of them any favors. I can already imagine what a poo poo show like that would be and I kind of even doubt I'd watch it myself.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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I don't see how this is even remotely legal. It's the practical definition of insider trading and I think a politician could make some inroads campaigning against it

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/02/poli...rst%20Republic.

Democratic congresswoman sold First Republic stock and bought JPMorgan just before bank sale, financial disclosures show

quote:

Members of Congress are facing renewed scrutiny after a new disclosure report filed by Florida Democrat Lois Frankel revealed that she dumped First Republic Bank stock prior to its collapse and purchased JPMorgan stock before JPMorgan purchased First Republic.

According to a financial disclosure report filed on April 28, Frankel sold between $1,001 and $15,000 in First Republic stock on March 16 and then bought between $1,001 and $15,000 in JPMorgan stock on March 22.

Frankel told CNN that her “account is managed independently by a money manager who buys and sells stocks at his discretion.” Congresswoman Frankel is not facing any investigations.

The Daily Caller was first to report the news.

The 2012 STOCK Act made it illegal for members of Congress to knowingly trade, buy or sell stocks based on material information obtained in their official capacity as a member of Congress. The law also requires members of Congress file timely financial reports disclosing their trades.

Compliance with the law has been sporadic given the lack of enforcement mechanisms
. In one prominent instance, former Republican Senator Kelly Loeffler was the subject of an investigation after she sold millions of dollars in stock before the market collapsed in Spring 2020.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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brugroffil posted:

Boy, economists really seem to hate the idea of labor having any sort of power or growth at all.

Or any money whatsoever. It's always been frustrating to me over the last couple of years that, supposedly, the problem with the economy is that poor people somehow took all the money.

Wonder how RWM is gonna frame this, assuming they cover it at all. Fake news/statistics, Trump's policies taking hold after COVID, or red states slashing UEI and aid so it forced all those lazy fuckers back to work. Can we at least put to bed this "no one wants to work anymore" bullshit?

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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Mr.Booger posted:

Anecdotally, all the "lot's of Jobs" "great growth" "higher wages" stuff is economics puffery. I got laid off, and no one is paying near my old wage for similar work, most "jobs" I apply for are never filled even though they say it has been, its always still up as a req. The employers that are actually looking for someone are paying wages I made maybe 15 years ago at best. I was at a local store talking to the owner (a friend) and overheard multiple customers talking about their significant other or brother/sister/etc getting laid off in the last two months.

Every time I see "we made 50k more jobs" I wonder, are they full time, do they pay a living wage, or are they 10 bucks and hour, 12 hours a week, because that is what seems to be out there. Its absolutely disheartening that there is this narrative that feels so far from reality to so many.

This has entirely been my experience with the job market the last 8 years or so. My field was graphic design/printing/sign making and every job I worked or applied for wanted me to know and do more for less pay. So much so that I left the field entirely except for my freelance work.


Morrow posted:

So it's actually a subject of debate because a lot of macroeconomic models assume people don't spend all the money they make but instead save and borrow to even out spending over their lifetime! And then this assumption gets thrown on its head by non-Ricardian households that in fact don't save but spend everything as it comes in and make up nearly half of the US. It wasn't as big an issue in the past but the proportion of non-saving households has grown over the past few decades.

I've heard numerous reports about how people "paid off debt and increased their savings" from the stimulus money, and they weren't just talking about people who didn't really need the money. Then I hear other RWM bullshit about how people bought PS5's and TV's with that money while the government paid them not to work. Regardless, the main message seems to be that giving people $2000 over the course of two years generated all the inflation we have now. I don't know anyone who received extended UEI and the stimulus checks who went "wow, this is loving great!" Myself included.

To me, if giving everyone a $1000 annual raise is enough to gently caress up your economy, then something is wrong with your loving system because that makes zero sense to me.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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There's just hundreds of way more better reasons not to buy or drink Bud Light than this stupid thing.

Main one being it's complete piss water.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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Hieronymous Alloy posted:

It didn't "set off" anything. Right wing media relies on repeatedly engineering stupid rage bait poo poo like this.

If it weren't that it'd be something else.

And yet this is how RWM posits your average "radical left wing democrat"

That we're easily triggered, defensive about everything, can't suck it up snowflake, are so easily offended and, finally, leading into cancel culture. And now, cancel culture has come for the shittiest ALL AMERICAN beer even made. As a regular beer drinker, not sure how that dings me at all but it;s all just so weird and built off of projection.

It's like the reverse of the Chic Fil A or Hobby Lobby "boycotts" where all these yahoos would only eat or shop at those specific places and went out of their way to spend money there.

God drat, these people really hate gay sex or anything adjacent to it. I know exactly ONE trans person in my day to day experience - a coworker at my job - and, you know...even if I have to make some slight adjustments in the way I communicate and even if I don't entirely GET it (since I'm just a regular old white male), it's really no skin off my back or any kind of major infringement on my day to just adapt my pronouns and more or less just be polite and nice to Alex.

I rather old and I keep thinking about all these weird battles that conservatives have fought over my 5 decades. Interracial relationships, gay people men...all sorts of dumb poo poo. Men with long hair, people with tattoos, men with earrings, midnight showings of the Rocky Horror Picture Show, rock bands and artists engaging in gender bending, Madonna, Prince, Bowie, gangster rap...gay marriage.

All of it was the end of civilization as we know it and an affront to God that's all part of some weird fight built on personal hangups. And they call us triggered snowflakes who can't suck it up.

Remember Freedom Fries? D&D games leading to satanic worship? A black president? They're terrified of every loving thing.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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Young Freud posted:

Yeah, it's real funny how a lot of these right-wing grifters are just failed entertainers in some way. Ben Shapiro, failed screenwriter (it also explains why Daily Wire has a movie studio wing); Matt Walsh, failed radio shock jock (he jumped 3 markets in 3 years before getting popular with his right-wing blog); Steven Crowder, failed comedian; Candace Owens, failed actress; Michael Knowles, failed actor (his biggest part was being an extra on "The Knick").

I mean, it syncs up with failed painter Adolf Hitler.

How am I supposed to drink the world's shittiest beer on the 4th of July if I'm being constantly reminded that genders can be fluid and nebulous? What's THAT got ta do with the constitution and the flag and the veterans I pretend to care about?

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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Ither posted:

Why are chuds starting to push child labor?

I guarantee you some RWM talking head and a bunch of comments sections all over the internet are talking about this builds character and teaches important life lessons. There's no paper routes anymore so kids have to learnt he value of hard work somehow.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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FlamingLiberal posted:

It’s looking increasingly likely that Biden is going to cave on the debt ceiling

https://twitter.com/andrewgiambrone/status/1658113816872341506?s=46&t=BHs6Pl38GJXGN2Y4xeriNA

I'm honestly not surprised and would very VERY much like to live in a world where my two choices for the free world and the richest country on earth weren't Donald Trump and Joe loving Biden.

It's so strange.

No one, and I mean NOBODY, is fired up or enthused about an 86 year old Joe Biden. A LOT of people, but maybe not enough (yet), remain INCREDIBLY fired about Donald Trump, for reasons that mostly escape me. Let's say that Biden had to drop out for health reasons? A very realistic scenario.

Who is on the bench here representing me in any way at all? Bernie Sanders? Harris? I know that Warren catches a lot of poo poo here but she was the only candidate 3 or 8 years ago and more talking about breaking up these banks that are too big to fail and keep holding our entire economy hostage every time they gently caress up.

Is Donald Trump being a lying criminal fascist enough for Biden to win again? And are we excited about that? I wouldn't be shocked if the turnout for him dropped next year and, even if it doesn't, then what?

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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Riptor posted:

sanders is older than biden fyi

That's kind of what I meant.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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zoux posted:

His instinct is "kill anyone who says bad things about me" and since that's DeSantis, he's going after poo poo in DeSantis' lane. He's not a calculating operator, he has a sort of low cunning, but mostly he just yells about what he's mad about.

He's also real big on receiving credit for every and any god damned thing under the sun. IN all of human history, in record time and like no one has ever seen where many people are saying. Anything that happens to anyone ever is due to Trump. Unless it's a fuckup and then it was a coffee boy who at one point was one of the best and brightest greatest individuals. Right now, people are cheering for Dobbs at his town hall and poo poo so...

Also, Trump can definitely win again. I have no doubt. Not saying he will, of course, but he can.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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Jaxyon posted:

It's not that he's a good debater, it's he literally doesn't debate. For a debate you need two people to agree to debate, but Trump just talks his word salad and anger.

Yeah, it's more like the fact that Trump debates like a child, and any adult will tell you can't win an argument or even have a meaningful discussion with a kid who's entire strategy is "I called it, no takebacks, my Uncle works at Nintendo , and I totally did do my homework even if the teacher says I didn't. I also got the highest grade in the class but they said I got a 'c'. The test questions were wrong. Mrs. Gallagher hates me and picks on me all the time but not the other kids".

Then calls the other kids and the teacher losers and liars, all while interrupting you the entire time. You're not going to "win" this argument. You just have to send him to his room without his ice cream and diet coke.

Gyges posted:

The problem isn't that you can't own Trump on TV. It's that you can't own him within the bounds of acceptable political discourse for debates/interviews. You have to be willing to ignore his childish petulance and then continue when he storms off or starts calling you names. Just keep hammering at the topic he is currently Trump Galloping until he throws a fit, and then ask how an 80 year old can't keep himself from behaving like a toddler.


Kind of what Gyges touched on here.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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Judgy Fucker posted:


They shouldn’t be but the televised debates we’ve become accustomed to over the last 50 years are dying and will soon be dead. Very little upside to them that you can control and lots of ways to hurt yourself in the horse race.

I think debates are moving more and more towards something resembling the Jerry Springer Show than anything really useful or informative. In about 10 or 20 years, candidates will be expected to start throwing chairs at each other over bleeped out curse words while the audience chants USA USA USA!

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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Hieronymous Alloy posted:

The concept of a debate is undergirded by the axiom that candidates are competing based on policies, which is no longer really valid.

Yeah it's mostly canned answers with a bit of trying to squeeze in a sick burn/soundbite so the audience can go "oooooo-ooooooooo" and you can get in the news. A lot of times you can even tell when an opponent sets someone up by saying something the other guy was waiting for and hoping they'd say and then there's this total ownage response ready to go. Except usually they gently caress it up, rush it and it comes off stiff and rehearsed, which it is.

Trump doesn't really do this because I don't think he plans anything so, in his case, it's a whole other level of inanity because he's just spewing garbage non stop and he drowns his opponent in a barrage of poo poo missles.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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DeSantis thinks that his avenue is being the adult in the room who can occasionally act civil but doesn't understand that GOP voters don't give a loving poo poo about that. The large majority of them still believe that the election was stolen. I think Ron has a chance based solely on the fact that a lot of Republicans view Florida as a model state and a blueprint for the country. PLus, he might get some backing from the old money crowd who really fund these campaigns and hate Donald Trump that see him as useful in that sense.

Problem is, the lunatics have taken over the party and several of them even hold office.

I'll give the GOP this much: they know what they want and have two big name candidates they're absolutely fanatical about. The Democrats have Biden, Jack and poo poo.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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PhazonLink posted:



why is graphic design for modern stuff kinda terrible inn the modern age?

It's not emphasized and is increasingly done by non professionals; or even trained people at all. I was basically forced out of the industry due to lower compensation and an emphasis on clip art, templates and the assembly line/fast food approach to the job. A lot of it has to do with slow death of print as well. It takes more skill and knowledge to create for a printing press than a web page and especially a phone.

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BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/23/politics/dc-uhaul-crash-charges/index.html

U-Haul driver faces multiple charges after crashing into security barrier near White House in Lafayette Square, police say

quote:

A man crashed a U-Haul truck into a security barrier near the White House on Monday night in what authorities are investigating as a potentially intentional incident.

Sai Varshith Kandula, 19, of Chesterfield, Missouri, is in custody and facing multiple charges including threatening to kill or harm a president, vice president or family member, US Park Police said. The Secret Service said there were no injuries to any agency or White House personnel.

The truck crashed into security barriers on the north side of Lafayette Square at 16th Street just before 10 p.m. ET, the US Secret Service said. A preliminary investigation revealed the driver may have intentionally struck the barrier, the agency later said.

A Park Police officer was later seen taking inventory of the U-Haul truck, packing up several pieces of evidence. Among the items that appear to be from the truck are a flag of what appears to be a swastika, a black backpack and a roll of duct tape. The cargo area of the moving truck appeared empty.

Hearing and reading a lot of comments about how the flag was planted. I guess by Soros Soldiers or some poo poo

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