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Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Mass shooting at a Christian elementary school in Tennessee.

Please excuse me if I burst into laughter at the first few "Thoughts and Prayers" from politicians because of how darkly comical sending "thoughts and prayers" to a shooting at a CHRISTIAN school is. Listen, if God didn't help them during the shooting, sending more prayers their way sure as gently caress won't change anything.

Or will the narrative now change to "Well, it wasn't as bad as Uvalde, so we see no reason to do anything"?

Jesus Christ the 2nd amendment was the worst thing to come out of the US, and that's including the racism at this point.

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Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Zotix posted:

Has this been discussed yet? https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-ne-disney-new-reedy-creek-board-powerless-20230329-qalagcs4wjfe3iwkpzjsz2v4qm-story.html

It looks like Disney's district Reedy Creek signed over almost all of their responsibilities to Disney the day before the Florida house voted to put DeSatan in charge. The new 5 Republican board has almost no control except over Roads and basic infrastructure. Apparently this declaration is valid “21 years after the death of the last survivor of the descendants of King Charles III, king of England,” according to the document.

Am I the only one who finds it hilarious that they worded the declaration like something out of a curse from the fairy tales Disney kept making films for? Guess DeSantis will have to commit regicide if he wants to piss in Disney's cereal.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Mellow Seas posted:

Actually he wouldn’t have to commit any regicide, technically. He could just kill the rest of his family; Charles himself would just be style points. And as long as Charles is alive William and his kids aren’t regents, so it’s cool.

(This post is not an endorsement of killing any royals)

:goofy::"Curse you curse loopholes! Curse you!"

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Biden is still refusing to negotiate over the debt ceiling and McCarthy says that Republicans will just pass their own debt ceiling bill with all the cuts they want over and over until the Senate accepts and Biden signs it. McCarthy says they won't send a clean bill to raise the debt ceiling and will try to blame the Senate for a default until Biden agrees to negotiate or accepts their bill.

McCarthy had previously said that the House Republicans would not be offering their own specifics for spending cuts. McCarthy says this is proof that Republicans will not allow default and if a default occurs, then it is because the Senate and Biden did not accept their bill to raise the debt ceiling.

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1641522675926310915

Well, if this is what it takes to actually find out what they actually wanted for cuts...

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Have they started saying that persecuting Trump for what he did in the past is pointless because it was so long ago, but also persecute Hillary for her e-mails, yet? I've always "enjoyed" the cognitive dissonance of those two thoughts when they start spouting them back to back.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Oh, no, I meant at the protest today.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011




... yes, that was literally the post before mine and the exact tweet I was responding to. They're talking about Hunter Biden and genders, I was asking if they had started brining up Hillery's E-mails yet.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Automata 10 Pack posted:

He’s so going to be our president. lol.

So anyways, Clarence Thomas has been taking bribes:

https://www.propublica.org/article/clarence-thomas-scotus-undisclosed-luxury-travel-gifts-crow

Will he see any repercussion? I mean, his wife was involved in the coup so uh.

"In a 6-3 decision by the SCOTUS, not only is bribing Chief Justices fine, but it is now mandatory to bribe them".

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011




So how do they resolve this? One on one duel at dawn? Rap battle? Baseball game between judicial staff?

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Gyges posted:

She can't give up until McConnell does. At least not until a plucky young hero heals our government.

Besides, McConnell is almost certainly spending half his energy fighting for his life, and half fighting off Rick Scott's attempts to steal his power.


I feel like this is an insult to Skeksis. At least they're HONEST about wanting to sacrifice everything in the pursuit of their own interest, and are open about their backstabbing ways.

Though that would make the Democrats the urRu, a people that in theory are just as powerful, but proceed to do gently caress-all to actually stop the Skeksis until the very end and leave it up to a younger generation to actually do something, so yeah, it's an apt fit.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



I'm hoping/assuming that the WH just picked up all the burgers and used cellphones to place the orders. I mean, just say "Hey, we're having an office party on this day and want to order 200 big macs."

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Jaxyon posted:

If you want to win the primary you have to out-petty trump and that's tough because he's a natural bully and has been doing it on camera for decades

if you get past the primary, the "decorum-friendly fascist" can win the general but you won't get out of the primaries. I agree that trump will get the nom but lose the general.

Did anyone just try nettling him about his past failures constantly? Just constantly bring up his three bankruptcies at his casinos ("How the heck do you bankrupt casinos 3 times? Those are literally free money. A blind monkey could run one successfully!") Or his Trump Steaks and Trump Vodka ("I'm a big fan of your vodka. Works great for cleaning my floors. Which cleaning company did you use to make it?"). I know the Democrats would never stoop to that level because ~decorum~ but being petty bullies is the GOPs stock and trade.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

:words: about debt ceilings

Didn't all of this start because the Republicans were demanding that Biden make the cuts they wanted, without actually saying what they wanted cut and when explicitly asked what cuts they wanted, said the equivilant of "That's for us to know and you to find out (by making random cuts)"?

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



So... we should all be imitating that "Michael Jackson eating popcorn" gif then? Because this sounds like a clusterfuck.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Nenonen posted:

Uh... so about the Trump Tent Rehab Cities.

Putting aside what dystopian nightmare he is offering America, isn't this a little too close to Obama's FEMA camps that his supporters are so afraid of?

The idea of setting up a place for homeless people to get a chance to safely give them a chance to grapple with their addictions and get them under control, get back on their feet and give them a fresh start in life isn't necessarily a bad thing, but joined with the "Go to the camp or go to jail" and that It's, y'know, Trump suggesting this, makes me VERY concerned that Trump heard about Johnathan Swift's "A Modest Proposal" and we're going to see Trump brand Chili shortly after the "camp" opens.

Amd the sad part is, I'm not sure if I'm actually joking about that last part.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



ryde posted:

Yeah but you'd want actual houses or apartments. Or at the very least shelters or treatment facilities. Putting them in a tent city is a terrible idea (and not actually an improvement, given it's how most of them are living now).

Oh no doubt. At best a tent city would be a stopgap until a more permanent facility is built. I was just saying that the concept of the government doing literally anything to actually help the homeless isn't a bad idea, but considering this is Trump of all people proposing it, it's just as likely he saw a source of cheap meat labour.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Zamujasa posted:

the real question is if he can even get that turd passed or if it's as dead as the trees it's printed on

When do they have to pass it by before? Any bets on who will be the ones to vote against it? The "more moderate" Republicans for going too far, or the right-wing extremists who'll sink it out of spite/because they can/to own the libs?

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Considering DeSantis is being outsmarted by a rival who clearly announces everything they do in advance, I can only hope he officially runs for president so Florida can get a new governor in.

What happens when he stops being the governor, does a special election get held, does it pass to another official already in office, or does a temporary governor get appointed?

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



I'm honestly not even sure what DeSantis' endgoal even is right now. Hes picking a fight with his state's largest employer and using people who can't even be bothered to go to Disney's open meetings so they keep having "11th hour reveals" that were announced months prior, so I'm honestly curious what his chances of re-election are as Governor. He's too cowardly to actually announce he's running for president, and instead playing these "If I were going to run *wink*" games. Like, other than "to own the libs" and "piss off Florida's biggest employer", what is his actual endgame?

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

His chances of being re-elected Governor are 0% under current law. He is term-limited out and will leave office in early 2027 regardless of what happens.

Ah, so his end-goal is "Torch the place and leave it worse than when he started." So he is literally just a Disney villain in it for the lulz.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Mellow Seas posted:

Eh, I don't think Republicans are pushing anything on the level of "banning Democrats from poo poo," all of their stuff is targeted at specific out-groups. And identity-based bans are something that appeals to the Republican base. Maybe the left wing of the Democratic party would enjoy a GOP-ban stunt but it would turn off the “new base” of educated suburbanites, who used to lean Republican, and who do legitimately fear the party becoming too “extreme.” (And part of the reason that said educated suburbanites are going to the Democrats is because Republicans pull poo poo like this.)

Didn't a Republican senstor in Florida try to pass a bill that would ban the Florida Democrat party?

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Mellow Seas posted:

I mentioned that in my post…

Right, but you also said they're not trying to ban Democrats. Would you have preferred I just quote the bottom half in bold as well with a :thunk:? You can say that they would just be doing Democrats a favor, but it doesn't change the fact that they're actively trying to do the thing you said they're not doing while using weasel wording to avoid saying specifically that they're targeting Democrats. Just like how they used a suspiciously specific year for abolishing the Reedy Creek district to try to stick it to Disney.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Mellow Seas posted:

I’m not sure why you’re taking a tone with me. I think it was just sloppy communication, no weasel, no weasel. The original post was suggesting taking away rights from republicans, “ban them from [doing] poo poo” whereas the Florida bill (which is stupid, and absolutely not becoming law) just kind of bans the word “democrat”.

If you want to say they’re roughly equivalent things, yeah okay, I can buy that, they both fall under the general heading of “targeted towards members of a party.” But that doesn’t change that different things appeal to each party’s pool of potential voters and passing “republicans are poopyheads” bills has absolutely zero upside for them. Why would anybody think that it’s smart to emulate Republicans? They have terrible, unpopular ideas.

I wish I had your hopeful optimism that the bill that "just kind of bans the word "democrat"" won't be both immediately repeated in every other Republican-controlled state as soon as the one in Florida passes, and that they won't try to expand it out further from there. There's nothing stopping them from expanding it from "Party that has at any point supported slavery" to "A party who has executives who worked for a party supporting slavery" or "A party who's candidates ran for a party that supported slavery" (I don't know how many R elected officials were former Ds, but it wouldn't be the first time that Republicans brought forward bills that were immediately used against them).

I'm also not entirely sure the exact process behind forming a new party in a given state, but you can bet that the Republicans would do all they can to drag out the process to reduce the amount of time the new party has before the next election or two. And the party would have to be fully dissolved and reformed, otherwise you know the Republicans would just hammer on the "They support slavery and are trying to decieve you by changing their name" button (well, okay, they'll still do that, but Dems have a tendency to follow the rules and ~decorum~ as much as possible). If anyone talks about emulating the Republicans here, it's mostly just wishing the Dems would be willing to fight dirty in the slightest way rather than constantly being clowned on by Rs and going "Ah, but we have our principles and decorum, look, we tried to work with them." It's why Joe actually standing firm on the clean debt bill is so surprising/refreshing.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Mellow Seas posted:

Dude, it's not going to pass. It is not a serious legislative proposal, it's a dumb edgelord political stunt. There are a lot of reasons to be worried about our Democracy but "dumb weird bills banning political parties" are not one of them.

It's a "dumb edgelord political stunt" that's been introduced to the Florida Senate. Sure, it may not pass, but we are also in a reality where a Republican governor of a state is waging a political war against their biggest employer (and largest source of revenue, I think?), and just recently had a president who's entire method of operation was "dumb stunts".

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Charliegrs posted:

Laura Ingraham is still on Fox right? Pretty sure she's a barely closeted Nazi. She will probably get Tuckers spot.

I mean, they keep trying to close the closet door but it keeps hitting her outstretched arm.

She was the one that outright sieg heiled Trump during the 2016 election, right?

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Honestly, it may be easier to list the reasons he WASN'T fired for. Like being a reprehensible piece of poo poo overall. That seems to be a defining trait of all of Fox New's contributors, for instance.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



On the one hand, I would be very interested in seeing what happened if both Trump and Tucker ran for the Republican nomination for president. Would their supporters vote for their God-King Trump, or their "Truth" Speaker Tucker? How quickly would they run to straight-up Nazism in an attempt to outdo each other? Would there even be an attempt at having a mask on?

On the other hand, I imagine Tucker would also be riling up the base even further than Trump did, and considering his rhetoric, I can see him calling for outright violence at polling places. So I hope to God that he doesn't run.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011




I am honestly surprised it took this long considering how DeSantis was openly stating that the intent of the changes he had been making in Florida were specifically to punish Disney for speaking out against his anti-trans/anti-gay bills.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Maybe DeSantis just has a humiliation fetish. We shouldn't kinkshame someone just because they're openly engaging in their fetish in public so blatantly.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011




On the one hand, I do like seeing Dems push back against the "Democrats aren't being bipartisan" crap. On the other hand, who actually is still "bUt Bi-PaRtIsAnShIp!" at this point as opposed to people who say it to justify pulling the lever for Republicans?

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



So I wonder which state is going to welcome Disney World 2.0, and all that sweet, sweet tourism money it brings with it, with open arms?

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

:words: about the Dems actually doing something productive

I'm happy to see the Democrats actually willing to engage in legal skullduggery and underhanded measures so the Republicans don't just blow up the whole global economy. It's good to see them actually doing what's right rather than what's "legal" (even if everything they're doing is technically legal).

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



On the one hand, it sounds like it's very easy to grift in the cryptocoin space. On the other hand, I want literally nothing to do with Crypto or the massive amounts of resources it's taking to make pretend money.

cat botherer posted:

https://twitter.com/Forever_noir_/status/1653630995214618625
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/02/nyregion/subway-chokehold-death.html

A man had an episode of some kind on the subway, and some bystander put him in a chokehold until he died.

And he wasn't even charged with manslaughter, let alone outright murder.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



quote:

Manolatos of Wells Fargo sees it differently:

“I think the current level of wage growth is inflationary.”

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck you.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

McCarthy is (ever so slightly) edging from away from his demand that the White House and Senate pass the House bill to raise the debt ceiling and says he will raise the debt ceiling without being tied to a specific bill, but there has to be a "deal in principle" first. He says they need to have a deal by next week in order to meet the assumed deadline for default.

It's not a huge step back, but it is the first step back he has taken.

https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1655999215703662604

So I'm guessing his bigger doners started making some sternly-worded phonecalls to his office and what they would figuratively do to his political aspirations if thr debt limit wasn't raised?

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



It's honestly kind of impressive how blatant he's making his gift. If he had just put in random numbers below the filing amount, no one would have batted an eye.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Meatball posted:

All this talk about the 14th makes me think that the dems believe the Republicans are going to shoot the hostage and default on the debt.

Either that, or calling their "bluff"/reminding them that there are options outside of their horrible bill.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Joe Manchin is extremely unhappy with this news and has announced that he will oppose every single EPA nominee in protest until the administration backs down from the plan.

https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1656306566583205888

"Joe Manchin vows to do what he was going to do anyways. News at 11."

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



I've heard enough horror stories about PETA (and also considering how gleefully sadistic their "game parodies" tend to be) that I'm convinced that the majority of their staff are the sadists who grew up hurting animals and weren't allowed to work at actual pet shelters. Just stuff about poor living conditions for their animals in addition to their ridiculously high kill rate.

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Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



So is Pence actively trying to get the lowest amount of votes in history? Because I'm pretty sure almost every one of those points will drive away a large chunk of people.

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