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According to Nixonland, in the 60's Chicago officials actually did the math, and figured it'd take 5 tons of LSD to spike the city's water supply. Super villain plots are expensive in real life.
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Mellow Seas posted:I feel like this is the classic European arrogance of "well of course if we had a diverse population, my society would be cool about it and not close ranks around our dominant ethnicity." Many of your neighboring states have already demonstrated what a load of hooey that was. You have not been challenged by this aspect of human nature the same way the United States has. (Yes, this situation is a direct result of our history of subjugation and slaughter of non-whites, but everybody alive today already had that baked into their cake when they were born.) I'm sorry to butt in to an American conversation, but it might help you to know that Darkcrawler's nation just voted the reactionary, racist party as the second largest party in our parliamentary system in Finland. Turns out there's racists in Europe too!
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Apr 3, 2023 15:48
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DarkCrawler posted:And percentage of the population is...20%, BTW. Sure, but a naive approach to the "don't phone granny anymore" tactic would suggest that it should be less, no? And in a parliamentary system, those 20 percent add up! It's not like Cock got 51 percent, either.
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Apr 3, 2023 17:06
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DarkCrawler posted:Why should it be less? Like half the parties refuse entering a government with them outright, that is definitely a point for the "don't call granny" method rather than against it. And even if they get into government there are multiple obstacles for full space fascism unlike in the United States. I have never claimed that anything in my approach is meant to make these people dissappear, that is entirely a fabrication by people who are pissed off about calling their evil relative evil. But doesn't your "don't call granny" tactic kind of fly in the face of this? You (general you) would want more voter engagement, if we presume 20 percent are useless then there are those who are not. Right?
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Apr 3, 2023 18:29
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I can't find it now, but I remember a rather passionate opinion written by some evangelical pastor about how Trump was everything wrong with America and no right-minded, to them, religious person should vote for him. And then it turned out...!DarkCrawler posted:I'm not really sure what you are trying to say here. You're right, that was an awful post, I'm sorry. I suppose what I meant was that if roughly 40 percent of Finland votes for reactionary right-wing nonsense, what hope does America have? Of course you are correct that the US has fewer checks and balances, as it were, so their elections carry more weight.
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Apr 4, 2023 02:59
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:The Soviet Union reverted to enforced Russification and homophobia before Lenin was cold. The Freikorps didn’t do that, the westerners didn’t do that, the whites didn’t do that, homophobic and xenophobic Russians did. By your framing, this could be blamed on Stalin
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Apr 4, 2023 18:01
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Mecca-Benghazi posted:As an Asian, I'm glad you're all realizing that dairy and alcohol are terrible and have bad effects https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfgycAOT0KI Milk is great, thank you very much. And cheese, oh my!
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Apr 5, 2023 17:57
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DarkCrawler posted:When mine-related things gently caress up your energy and they're not even actually mining anything physical... Something something Gordon Gekko saying "greed is good", and if only that could be mined. But I suppose that's what capitalism is all about. Too bad about the environment.
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Apr 11, 2023 16:24
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Relatively minor news, but the 2024 DNC will in Chicago. Aww poop, the tweet already made the joke about 1968 I wanted to make. Good year though.
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Apr 11, 2023 21:33
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Clarste posted:Does the desalination process produce edible salt though? I adore the article title on the US government of all places on this subject, why ocean salty. That said, they report that the United States Government posted:The two ions that are present most often in seawater are chloride and sodium. These two make up over 90% of all dissolved ions in seawater. The concentration of salt in seawater (its salinity) is about 35 parts per thousand; in other words, about 3.5% of the weight of seawater comes from the dissolved salts. In a cubic mile of seawater, the weight of the salt (as sodium chloride) would be about 120 million tons. Sodium chloride is a fancy, chemical term for saying table salt.
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Apr 12, 2023 13:17
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Clarste posted:The fact that the ocean contains salt doesn't mean the desalination process produces salt. I mean, the traditional process of getting edible salt out of the ocean certainly doesn't produce drinkable water. We are not magically separating it into its component parts. There is a specific process which creates specific byproducts. Right, but that wasn't the question originally posed. The salts you get out of desalinization are "edible", as you put it, as the chemicals themselves. That the process doesn't produce table salt per se is a question left for the markets, or socialism, to solve. edit: I flubbed, and I'm sorry. I read your question more as "are they bringing plutonium salts out of sea water" type thing, when you were asking if these salts have commercial uses already. Rappaport fucked around with this message at 13:46 on Apr 12, 2023 |
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Would you kindly phrase that in a way that is accessible in the real wor-- You know what, I'm with Niles on this, that's a weird take, though I'm not familiar with killing the <foo> in one's head rhetoric's successes 
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Apr 23, 2023 17:01
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Bar Ran Dun posted:12 The next day as they were leaving Bethany, Jesus was hungry. 13 Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs. 14 Then he said to the tree, “May no one ever eat fruit from you again.” And his disciples heard him say it. Oh look, we're preaching random Bible quotes now! How about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8xU-gKK17A PS who is that dude in your avatar?
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Apr 25, 2023 20:23
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Bar Ran Dun posted:It’s not random. “people are starving and going homeless right now” being met with shrugs is Sorry about your avatar, I guess. Jesus lived in a time when a one-man-band could conceivably do something, but in a world of drones and police happy to shoot anyone who threatens capital? Unfortunately their guns have a fairly convenient point and click interface, if you will, and people like Jesus are powerless against that. The systems bear fruit for those who are on the receiving end, and those who are not are left to their own devices, meager as they are. There is no escaping the chains of capital.
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Apr 25, 2023 20:52
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Bar Ran Dun posted:At the time the gospels are being written down the Romans are killing everybody. Crucifying assloads of Jews. The siege of Masada is something happening around the same time 73-74. The destruction of the temple 70. That’s the context of the gospels being written down. You do realize that crucifying someone took at least a couple of soldiers doing the nailing and stuff? It was gruesome torture, but it's not like the casual mass murder afforded by guns available in America today. And to your other point, which probably fits better in another thread, Jesus was a no-body, it was the Popes who had trials with dead Popes as defendants who shaped Europe's history for a long, long time.
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Apr 25, 2023 21:19
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Byzantine posted:The popes only stole power once the Empire began to falter under relentless Muslim attack. Nickname post combo 
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Apr 25, 2023 21:34
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Bernie endorses Sleepy Joe, will not run for president in 2024 (link to AP news)quote:Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont said Tuesday that he would forgo another presidential bid of his own and instead endorse President Joe Biden’s reelection. Bolding mine. Vote blue no matter who, huh?
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Apr 26, 2023 10:17
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Bernie's real old, there's no talking around that, but the bit I bolded seemed disheartening on a different level. If he's saying no "progressives" should run against uncle Joe, he's still throwing around his weight as a progressive firebrand of yesteryear. Of course since uncle Joe is committed to running now, a primary challenger would be wasting their time I guess (since this isn't really 1968 levels of crazy just yet), but who are the Dems priming for 2028? Kamala is a disaster, and big-name senators like Bernie and Liz are olds.
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Apr 26, 2023 12:20
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DarkCrawler posted:Sure, but there isn't anything comparable to that either. At least American leftists should get to the point where they are actually contemplating banning their militant organization instead of whining about how they would ban them if they would try. Even the vacuous liberal equivalents had their own in Hindenburg times. I'm curious now, since you've evoked Hindenburg several times. He was the dude who died and let Adolf Hitler become both Führer and Reichskanzler, and he was still alive to see the so-called Enabling Act become law in Germany, letting Hitler destroy all parties that were not the NSDAP. Plus, the Nazis actually won the street fights of the 20's, in the sense that Germany became Nazi Germany. Why are the street-fighting reds of that era in particular an inspiration?
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Apr 30, 2023 15:42
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Baby Yoda says you have to go to church, or otherwise you are working for fascism? That's an... Interesting deduction.
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Apr 30, 2023 16:55
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That other thesis is reasonable, the Third Reich tried their best to form a new state religion and failed. I just found evoking Baby Yoda as funny, because I am a child. That said, an atheistic person can also be against fascism. The dialogue, such as it was, between Primo Levi and Jean Amery both had them questioning faith from different angles, but both were most definitely anti-fascist. Rappaport fucked around with this message at 17:12 on Apr 30, 2023 |
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Fell Fire posted:Fascism also arises in part from socialist and nationalist elements. This happened in both Italy and Germany, it's just that the more reactionary parts of the party won out. I'm going to get the thread historians on me for this, but this is also a simplified picture you're painting here. Hitler himself courted industrialists and other major business magnates, because he knew that in order for Germany to re-arm itself they needed, well, money and factories. Joseph Goebbels made a big choice in the late 1920's by breaking with the arguably "leftist" side of the NSDAP in the form of the Strasser brothers, largely because by that time Hitler was playing Goebbels's emotional insecurities like a fiddle. Then there was the SA, but I guess that's a coin-toss between whether they just wanted to have fist-fights and whether their ideas of revolution were more socialist or nationalist. The aim for Hitler, and through him the NSDAP as a political movement, was always war. It is bizarre to take at face value the socialist brand on their party label since the party itself never really believed in it. Hitler's Germany did extort a lot of money out of its "Aryan" population in the name of providing for the poorer "Aryan" segments, sure, but this was because the Nazi government saw that its single-mindedness towards re-armament and warfare was driving down consumer goods production and ultimately even food production. There's a separate argument to be had about Josif Stalin and his paranoia, I suppose, where the brand of socialism might apply more, but his mass murders tend to fall more under the label of authoritarianism than straight-up fascism.
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Name Change posted:There were some "socialists" in the Nazi Party (Ernst Röhm and the like), but they were always antisemitic fascists first and were slaughtered when they outlived their usefulness to Hitler. Röhm was a mercenary, I'm curious how you came to the conclusion that he was a socialist. e: Röhm was murdered by Hitler, but this is backwards thinking. Just because he was murdered did not make him something he was not. Rappaport fucked around with this message at 11:40 on May 1, 2023 |
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Failed Imagineer posted:Hitler was also murdered by Hitler He was! So by this twisted logic, Hitler was also a socialist? Editor's note, this goes against pretty much all historical research on Hitler, but heck, if Ernst Röhm was a socialist, we have nothing to lose.
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May 1, 2023 11:46
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Failed Imagineer posted:I was just agreeing with you man My bad 
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:A hit to the thigh is extremely dangerous. Sounds more like they got lucky and weren’t trained to mag dump than they activated VATS. It's a hoot that you're saying someone else is being disingenuous when you're citing a video game. In actual fact, the Finnish police force uses guns very rarely. Yleisradio posted:– Miljoonasta hälytystehtävästä ampuma-asetta on käytetty vuosittain vain noin kymmenessä tehtävässä, ja niissäkin kohdistettu laukaus ihmistä kohti on ammuttu vain puolessa tapauksista, sanoo poliisitarkastaja Ari Alanen Poliisihallituksesta. Translation by Rappaport: "Out of a million alarm events [someone calling the emergency number] a police fire-arm has been annually used in approximately ten cases, and out of those a shot directed towards a human being were present in half the cases." ACAB and all, but it seems wildly weird to claim that a police force cannot be trained to use force judiciously, based on a (apologies to ropekid) video game.
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haveblue posted:Does anyone have standing to sue over the debt ceiling until the government fails to make a payment, though? I think the larger point is that if the markets lose trust in the US dollar, for whatever reason, that will have very unpredictable effects on the various global markets. Even if no one can immediately sue over it.
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May 2, 2023 19:08
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Sir John Falstaff posted:Not sure you have to go that far back--Eisenhower and Adlai Stevenson faced each other in 1952 and 1956. It doesn't really count, but Tricky Dick Nixon absolutely lost his god drat mind over the 1960 election, and he became obsessed with the "god drat Kennedies", they just kept getting shot before he could run against them again. But all the same, Nixon ran again in 1968 against a severely fractured Dem field and well we know what happened there.
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If pig balls can't save civilization, is it worth saving?
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Young Freud posted:I mean, it syncs up with failed painter Adolf Hitler. And Himmler was a failed chicken farmer. Like Ghost Leviathan says, the US media landscape is just weird with all these extremely stupid people running around being "personalities". Youtube tells me this clip is about old enough to vote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFQFB5YpDZE, and it's just basically Jon Stewart telling idiots that they are idiots. Of course Tuck-tuck finally failed enough to get thrown out on his dumb harassing rear end, but it's a disgrace that he got to be a Limbaugh plus for so long.
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VikingofRock posted:My Ph.D. is in physics. Nearly every single person I know from my program (both undergraduate and graduate, and including myself) fully intended to do physics research, but then found that academia was awful and left the field. Most of us went into software engineering or data science, and just gave up on using physics in our day jobs, despite the fact that we loved it so much that we all dedicated a decade to studying it. A few of us went into hardware design or green energy, and all of those people quit because the workplaces were so abusive. So now the only people who use physics in their daily lives are the people who went into the defense industry. It's not the choice I made, because I have a strong moral opposition to my work being used to kill people. (I chose software engineering, which, given everything about the tech sector, is its own can of moral worms.) But I understand why those people made that choice, and I don't really think it makes them bad people. My Ph.D. is in physics too, and you seem to contradict yourself there. To the post above, no one is saying Buzz Aldrin is Hitler, but Buzz was from the '60s (good decade) whereas people going into the "defense industry" now should know what that means.
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VikingofRock posted:I accept that people have different moral values than my own and make different moral choices, and I don't think that makes them worth writing off as people in most circumstances. I think we need a philosopher in here to define "bad people", so I concede the point.
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Discendo Vox posted:I'd note that this is a controversial connection; the first link you're providing is probably better directed to the study it's summarizing. I can't vet either study in detail at the moment, but as a great example of why nutrition science is such a shitshow, the second study is funded by a company specifically selling milk with the protein in question removed. To add to the confusion, Finland is a nation where it is not uncommon for adults to regularly consume cow milk, so there's other additional culture war and industry aspects here besides just infants and their feeding.
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DeadlyMuffin posted:What's the evidence for this? I've seen this excuse before, and it's used to excuse anything by a socialist or communist state as long as capitalism exists elsewhere. This is the reverse of what you are asking, please don't ban me mods, but the quality of life thing was a genuine concern for political leaders in post-WW2 Finland, which sat right next to the Soviet Union while it existed. Of course the fear was that Finland would have a communist revolt if the living conditions were markedly better next door. But perhaps more to the point, there definitely existed a very public competition over quality of life "stuff" between the Soviet sphere and the west. That is what lead to the famous "kitchen debate" between Khrushchev and Nixon!
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Cry for the coin that never was For imagining, platinum trillion. Never minted.
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Morrow posted:Nixon tried to give the secret service snazzy uniforms so there's that. Richard Nixon did nothing wrong. That said, the... "Snazzy" uniforms were not exactly that.  I think he got the idea from the French guards or something? Needless to say, French colonialism was a bit a sore subject for presidents before Nixon, and for him too.
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:Ex Parte Merryman It seems somewhat sus to rely on the Professor to elucidate case law Which you know he will, so maybe we're all fine?
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pencilhands posted:Whether or not we can afford SNAP is beyond the point. Giving people free money with no work requirement incentivizes feelings of entitlement and makes them worse people. And before you say “but many SNAP recipients work!” Well, the work requirement should be waived for those people. I hope you spend an eternity in the hell of maggots. Have a nice day! (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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paranoid randroid posted:So how much longer are we supposed to keep pretending this administration hasn't largely amounted to the same effect as a second Trump term? Roe v Wade rolled back, social services slashed to the bone, child poverty doubled, kids still in cages, rail unions smashed, defense budget skyrocketing. You can't say stuff like that. It upsets people. What you should say is Joe Biden did his best, and anyone who disagrees is a traitor to the cause. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Chris Christie is inexplicably deciding to give it another go. Hey, Tricky Dick made an awesome come-back in '68 after failing extremely badly against the god damned Kennedies! Chris probably has a staff of yes-men (or women!) telling him sure, you can win it. He's a... sort of national figure, I suppose? I couldn't tell you why he specifically would come out of the clown car a winner, but at least half of the POTUSes have been morons, racist and or both, so why not give it a go? At least he can have a book written about his effort, surely some GOP think-tank would order a few thousand of those? Also, Chris did suicide bomb lil'Marco in a debate, so maybe there is some comedy to be had here again?
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