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BRAKE FOR MOOSE
Jun 6, 2001

Mellow Seas posted:

But I can't blame people for getting worked up. There is no such thing as "full information" in a case like this, because most people don't (and shouldn't have to) have a good understanding of environmental science, and getting a piece of information without the wider context is going to lead people in unproductive directions.

Even if you do have a good understanding, there isn't enough public information available to make decisions, aside from "water from the Delaware has not yet passed into the water supply". But it's hard to blame people for exercising caution in a political environment where we've firmly established that public health authorities are balancing practicality with health.

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BRAKE FOR MOOSE
Jun 6, 2001

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

“I think patriotism encompasses being part of your community and helping other Americans,’’ said Mr. Williams, who said he coaches youth sports and volunteers with a group that provides security at protests and rallies.

Oh boy.

BRAKE FOR MOOSE
Jun 6, 2001

Kalli posted:

The point isn't to enforce it, it's to prevent anyone from trying. If you're a support group, are you willing to send your members and money to help transport someone in Idaho? Can Idahoans even get people to form such a group in Idaho?

Of course. Groups have formed around providing safe transport out of states with bans, and something like this would never stop that. The law may discourage some Idahoans seeking abortion from seeking out those resources, because nobody will want to be the test case. It won't discourage people from helping.

BRAKE FOR MOOSE
Jun 6, 2001

Timeless Appeal posted:

Drag bans are pretty obviously unconstitutional, and I can't even imagine them surviving the current worst Supreme Court. It has nothing to do with gender identity or accepting trans people. Drag bans just clearly violate the 1st Amendment and 14th Amendment because they're just bans on a guy wearing a dress*.

They were in effect for most of the 20th century, so maybe it's not that obvious. One should not underestimate SCOTUS.

BRAKE FOR MOOSE
Jun 6, 2001

Timeless Appeal posted:

Okay honey...

1) No, they ARE OBVIOUSLY unconstitutional regardless of the what the Supreme Court says. Regardless of what the court says, it is obviously a violation of the 1st Amendment and 14th Ammendment to say a man cannot wear a dress. There is no good faith argument on the other side.
2) I just posted the history of people being harassed in the the 21st century in what is supposed to be a bastion of Liberalism
3) I cited a really recent Supreme Court case made by what is essentially the same exact court we have now

Like yeah man, the court is bad, so who knows.

"Okay honey..." is extremely condescending.

The court gets to decide what is and is not unconstitutional, ultimately, even if you and I think they're full of poo poo. It's "obviously unconstitutional" under modern conceptions that are being rapidly rolled back and was very clearly not, in practice, unconstitutional, for well over 100 years after the ratification of the 14th. The court rules and overrules and can as easily go backwards as forwards and one should not have expectations of the civil rights decisions of a court that overturned Roe. I support cautious optimism but "lol this is so unconstitutional" with respect to civil rights was questionable post-VRA decision and even more so now.

Bostock is indeed relevant because it helps map Gorsuch's positions, but because he likes textualism and is not just firing on blind ideology, that is not 100% predictive.

BRAKE FOR MOOSE
Jun 6, 2001

Timeless Appeal posted:

I don't know how personally this impacts you,, and I'm truly sorry if that answer is "A lot." But I've been in non-stop worry mode about ALL OF THIS and your original post rubbed me the wrong way as did your response that summarized my original point as "lol this is so unconstitutional."

But it seems we agree that the bans are unconstitutional in theory, the current court sucks, but there is precedent to be cautiously optimistic which I feel like expressing we have a good chance of a 5-4 decision speaks to. So, we can move on.

Yeah, I'm sorry, I get it, and I probably misread where you were coming from. It does affect me but less directly than many others since I'm in a safer state and a more acceptable kind of queer. I deal with it through dark cynicism and my experiences have taught me to have very little trust for institutions doing the right thing and a lot of trust in building your own protection through community -- I have another conversation going in a Discord where I'm arguing with people for being too assimilationist because I think it's going to come back to bite them. My detachment isn't because I don't care, but the opposite... it's hard having these discussions devoid of personal context.

BRAKE FOR MOOSE
Jun 6, 2001

Mellow Seas posted:


Irrational parental freakouts, over the years -

Greatest - Communists
Silents - Satan
Boomers - Gays
Gen X - Trans
Millennial - Uhhh... screen time? Can't wait to find out!

Hopefully communists again, it'd mean we're actually a threat.

BRAKE FOR MOOSE
Jun 6, 2001

zoux posted:

That early cancer data is astonishing, I hope it bears out. Is there any reason that most or all cancers wouldn't be able to be addressed by mRNA therapies? Also, why do they call it a vaccine?

In the case that this happens to work extremely well for pancreatic cancer, the personalized nature of it presents immense logistical challenges. You need to identify the antigens that are specific to the tumor, identify optimal epitopes (the thing the antibodies will bind to), and generate a unique vaccine for each patient. It's a ton of work requiring a ton of resources and we're a long way from scaling that up.

For other cancers, everything depends on the degree to which immunotherapy is effective. If there aren't tumor-specific antigens, this won't work. If the antigens on the cancer cells are particularly diverse, this won't work. If the cancer is generally good at evading immune responses by changing its microenvironment, this won't work. There are several trials in progress that are similar in principle for other cancers (not just mRNA vaccines, but also cell-based vaccines, that use different mechanisms for the same end).

BRAKE FOR MOOSE
Jun 6, 2001

Mellow Seas posted:

Socialist revolutions kinda seem to eventually lead to state capitalism a lot, huh?

Yeah, some guy named Engels wrote a bit about this. You might've heard of him.

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BRAKE FOR MOOSE
Jun 6, 2001

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

I can't find anyone actually being injured/killed in Boston by being pushed into a train in the last year via google. What case are you using?

The only one I can find in the past year is one with no injuries.

https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/attempted-murder-charge-for-mbta-subway-kick-suspect/3009975/

Kind of an odd thing to question... there's that one, and this one. I don't think anyone has died in recent memory? But also, like the way the MBTA is set up, there aren't a lot of stations where someone can be killed by pushing someone onto the tracks, it'd take very deliberate and careful timing because the trains go at like 2 mph

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/02...ed-police-said/

BRAKE FOR MOOSE fucked around with this message at 16:24 on May 26, 2023

BRAKE FOR MOOSE
Jun 6, 2001

Gumball Gumption posted:

It's really unlikely their daily inspections included the full structure, from some evidence online of other pictures people took it looks like the damage first really showed up on the 24th and expanded. It's also not the tallest coaster in the US, that's Kingda Ka. It's the largest "Giga Coaster" which is a marketing term made up for specific types. It is the 5th tallest in the world though so it's up there.

The break is bad and obviously dangerous but also not as scary as it looks. Even the flexing in the video, it looks scary but is holding together. They don't build anything like that without redundant structures to help if something did happen.

Edit: Looking at the video that's a weld spot that likely cracked and those are usually closely inspected once a year

BiggerBoat posted:

Yeah, it looked like the rest of the structure was sound enough to avoid the whole thing collapsing from one beam at least. Oddly, it reminded me of some Hot Wheels tracks my son and I used to make where one brace failed but the remaining leverage was enough to keep it all from just crumbling down.

I'm just curious how they missed it and always assumed they do dry runs and passenger free tests like every loving day on poo poo like this but I don't know anything at all about amusement park safety. Maybe the guy filming it just happened to catch it the moment it cracked or slightly afterwards.

A full visual inspection of every structural element of the coaster is definitely not daily routine. It'll happen more often for wooden than steel coasters and definitely happens in season but I don't really know how often. A bunch of other tests on the structure like ultrasonic imaging will be done annually. Daily maintenance is on the moving parts, and part of opening every day is running trains empty, and there are sensors that check more things that you can imagine. Maintenance will run water dummies if something was off. My park was a little more dialed-in than most but we had almost no contact with maintenance until we called them.

My thing is, I don't really know how it's possible that the crack was visible for a week from a spot where guests could see it. It sounds like nobody told the park about this -- the crack was IDed retrospectively in photos taken of that part of the coaster after this happened -- but it's weird to me. I'm not shocked that a weld point could fail during operation, especially because there might not be anything visually wrong with it until right before it fails, but a week is a long time for something that obvious to be missed even without someone's job being to specifically look for it.

BRAKE FOR MOOSE
Jun 6, 2001

Fart Amplifier posted:

This exact sentiment has been posted since before Trump was elected

In fact, it was the refrain in the postmortem of the 2008 election, where many (myself included) speculated that the Republican Party would have to give way to libertarian elements in order to survive because the electorate was burning out on the culture war. Oops.

It's unwise to read too deeply into the swings of one or two elections and assume that reflects a steady change in attitudes. There could be a collapse and reorganization around new ideological lines, or they could triple down on fascism and win.

BRAKE FOR MOOSE
Jun 6, 2001

Zotix posted:

The amount of excuses people are making here for not wanting to make simple changes to lifestyle to not be fat is astonishing. Deciding to take the stairs, or purposefully not park close to the store. Or go for a 30 minute walk daily. These things add up. Drinking water instead of soda. Tracking calories, understanding what is a proper portion size of good nutritious food. These aren't hard things. They really aren't.

We can have the conversation about how the education on this is poor in this country, which is fair. However, we have a country that would rather scroll tiktok, and veg out on their vices rather than take accountability for their actions.

Understanding basic weight loss education is available on YouTube for anyone that gives a poo poo. Getting off the computer chair and going for a 30 minute walk daily for 6 months makes a drastic impact on people's lives, but that requires work.

The amount of people that have honest true debilitating restrictions preventing people then from weight loss is tiny compared to the amount of Americans that are just gluttonous, and lazy.

It's not simply education nor laziness, though either can contribute. It can be very difficult to avoid overeating in this environment, with calorie dense, high reward, barely satiating food everywhere, no matter how active you are. I'm not technically overweight, but I certainly have at least 20 lbs to lose to be lean -- and I run 60-100 miles per week. It's mostly a matter of portion control, and that's lasted a lifetime because of habits developed as a child. Food choices are more or less good, but one choice per week can offset an entire week of clean eating. I'm motivated to run that much, and losing weight would have a direct performance benefit, and yet I don't -- for me, losing weight is harder than the training.

Obviously it is very rare to remain clinically obese with a level of activity like that, but it's absurd to expect that of anyone; the point is that if you have fat guy habits then it's not at all hard to eat back your calorie expenditures. Your body wants you to.

BRAKE FOR MOOSE fucked around with this message at 11:34 on Aug 9, 2023

BRAKE FOR MOOSE
Jun 6, 2001

Shooting Blanks posted:

Even if that was a truly unique exit door/alarm combination, he's still a total moron. "Emergency exit" has an absolutely crystal clear meaning - it's not ambiguous, it's not an exit that "Should be for emergencies, but it's totally cool if you use it just because it's convenient." It calls (or should call) a response from emergency services, that's what they're designed for. It's something most people understand by middle school.

To be fair, this is much more ambiguous in NYC, where "emergency exits" are very regularly normal exits, like in the entire MTA

BRAKE FOR MOOSE
Jun 6, 2001

The Top G posted:

I’m sure this wasn’t the first time they were put on the spot regarding their univrsity’s stance on antisemitism, they’ve probably fielded hundreds of inquiries from concerned (and possibly hostile) donors since 10/7. That they didn’t have a canned response ready to any gotcha-type questions boggles the mind.

I think they should all be fired, not for the alleged antisemitic practices, but for their disgraceful performances. How can you lead a top-tier academic institution after getting verbally obliterated by the female heir to Premium Plywood Products? If they had any shame, they would resign.

E:

The talking points they use would be the same, even if they’re delivered in a friendly manner. They fumbled this hearing real bad.

A university president is not a PR flack. Their job is not "talking points." It's embarrassing that they got publicly owned, and part of the job of a president is not embarrassing the university, but successfully answering gotcha questions to avoid bad soundbites in a Congressional hearing is not among the skills typically required for the job.

BRAKE FOR MOOSE
Jun 6, 2001

I AM GRANDO posted:

Harvard has probably produced more mass murderers than the US military and the School of the Americas put together. The unabomber is probably around 50th place.

It's funny how worked up people on all sides of the political spectrum get over Ivy League universities. What do you think these institutions are? They're not training grounds that create hyperimperialists so much as they attract them. The network effect doesn't turn normal people into Henry Kissinger. The elite hang out in elite institutions and their status is conferred by, and their atrocities are motivated by, things bigger than the school they went to.

BRAKE FOR MOOSE
Jun 6, 2001

Mooseontheloose posted:

In fairness, they did not answer the question well. All they had to say is we condemn genocide, in all its forms and just non-answer for 4 hours and then add, we won't talk about hypothetical students but instead they took the bait too.

quote:

ELISE STEFANIK: It’s a yes or no question. Let me ask you this. You are president of Harvard, so I assume you’re familiar with the term intifada, correct?

CLAUDINE GAY: I’ve heard that term, yes.

ELISE STEFANIK: And you understand that the use of the term intifada in the context of the Israeli Arab conflict is indeed a call for violent armed resistance against the state of Israel, including violence against civilians and the genocide of Jews. Are you aware of that?

CLAUDINE GAY: That type of hateful speech is personally abhorrent to me.

ELISE STEFANIK: And there have been multiple marches at Harvard with students chanting quote, “there is only one solution intifada revolution.” And quote, “globalize the intifada.” Is that correct?

CLAUDINE GAY: I’ve heard that thoughtless, reckless and hateful language on our campus, yes.

ELISE STEFANIK: So, based upon your testimony, you understand that this call for intifada is to commit genocide against the Jewish people in Israel and globally, correct?

CLAUDINE GAY: I will say again that type of hateful speech is personally abhorrent to me.

ELISE STEFANIK: Do you believe that type of hateful speech is contrary to Harvard’s code of conduct or is it allowed at Harvard?

CLAUDINE GAY: It is at odds with the values of Harvard. But our values also —

ELISE STEFANIK: Can you not say here that it is against the code of conduct at Harvard?

CLAUDINE GAY: We embrace a commitment to free expression, even of views that are objectionable, offensive, hateful. It’s when that speech crosses into conduct that violates our policies against bullying, harassment —

ELISE STEFANIK: Does that speech not cross that barrier? Does that speech not call for the genocide of Jews and the elimination of Israel?

CLAUDINE GAY: When —

ELISE STEFANIK: You testify that you understand that it’s the definition of intifada. Is that speech according to the code of conduct or not?

CLAUDINE GAY: We embrace a commitment to free expression and give a wide berth to free expression even of views that are objectionable —

ELISE STEFANIK: You and I both know that’s not the case. You were aware that Harvard ranked dead last when it came to free speech. Are you not aware of that report?

CLAUDINE GAY: As I observed earlier, I reject that characterization.

ELISE STEFANIK: It’s — the data shows it’s true. And isn’t it true that Harvard previously rescinded multiple offers of admissions for applicants and accepted freshmen for sharing offensive memes, racist statements, sometimes as young as 16 years old? Did Harvard not rescind those offers of admission?

CLAUDINE GAY: That long predates my time as president, so I can’t —

ELISE STEFANIK: But you understand that Harvard made that decision to rescind those offers of admission.

CLAUDINE GAY: I have no reason to contradict the facts as you present them.

ELISE STEFANIK: Correct, because it’s a fact. You’re also aware that a Winthrop House faculty dean was let go over he — over who he chose to legally represent, correct? That was while you were dean.

CLAUDINE GAY: That is an incorrect characterization of what transpired.

ELISE STEFANIK: What’s the characterization?

CLAUDINE GAY: I’m not going to get into details about a personnel matter.

ELISE STEFANIK: Well, let me ask you this, will admissions offers be rescinded or any disciplinary action be taken against students or applicants who say from the river to the sea or intifada advocating for the murder of Jews?

CLAUDINE GAY: As I’ve said that type of hateful reckless offensive speech is personally abhorrent to me.

ELISE STEFANIK: [inaudible] today that no action will be taken — what action will be taken?

CLAUDINE GAY: When speech crosses into conduct that violates our policies, including policies against bullying, harassment or intimidation, we take action. And we have robust disciplinary processes that allow us to hold individuals accountable.

ELISE STEFANIK: What action has been taken against students who are harassing and calling for the genocide of Jews on Harvard’s campus?

CLAUDINE GAY: I can assure you we have robust —

ELISE STEFANIK: What actions have been taken? I’m not asking —

CLAUDINE GAY: What actions underway?

ELISE STEFANIK: I’m asking what actions have been taken against those students.

CLAUDINE GAY: Given students’ rights to privacy and our obligations under FERPA, I will not say more about any specific cases other than to reiterate that processes are ongoing.

ELISE STEFANIK: Do you know what the number one hate crime in America is?

CLAUDINE GAY: I know that over the last couple of months there has been an alarming rise of antisemitism, which I understand is the critical topic that we are here to discuss.

ELISE STEFANIK: That’s correct. It is anti-Jewish hate crimes. And Harvard ranks the lowest when it comes to protecting Jewish students. This is why I’ve called for your resignation. And your testimony today, not being able to answer with moral clarity, speaks volumes. I yield back.

BRAKE FOR MOOSE
Jun 6, 2001

Jaxyon posted:

Good work thread, still talking about plagiarism as if thats what this was about.

Great example of marketing working even when people know they're being marketed to.

So I said this in the SAL thread, but the plagiarism was what made Gay's liberal support evaporate. Despite the pressure of the genocidal maniac donors, there was still a significant amount of internal support and recognition of what was going on. And even though Rufo et al. were saying out loud what they were trying to do, it didn't matter, because people were put in a position where they couldn't easily defend her anymore.

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BRAKE FOR MOOSE
Jun 6, 2001

Civilized Fishbot posted:

I think it'll make a difference at Harvard, the donors establishing that they can topple the leadership if they're sufficiently furious about culture war stuff and they're able to find a skeleton in her closet. I think it will definitely have the chilling effect you describe - less freedom to speak in ways donors dislike, or even to say that speech is protected. I don't see how it could do the opposite.

Outside higher education I don't think it'll make any difference, but higher education is a pretty giant industry here.

Ackman posted a huge screed going off on DEI as a concept; on top of the affirmative action ruling, higher education will be taking a giant step back. Fence-sitting liberals, which makes up the vast majority of the academy, have collapsed under this threat and we're going to see a notable regression in diversity efforts, and a lot more willful ignorance of fascist bullshit. That'll have pretty significant effects everywhere.

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